btw yall guys DO know that Barnes has a clause in his contract that he can leave Texas for one of the Big Four schools (NCSU, WAKE, UNC, DUKE)

I mean, why would Roy Williams leave Kansas?

or we could go after Derek Whittenburg from Fordham...he could at least please the fans for like a year or two til we started getting 1st round knockouts from the NIT

3/11/2006 1:36:02 PM

If you don't dream big, then don't dream at all. If you fire Herb, you must go after a big name or two first. Barnes is a proven winner (hell, he took Clemson to the Sweet 16), a proven recruiter (had two Top-10 recruiting classes at Clemson, many more at Texas), and understands the importance of rivalries (consistantly has beaten OU, TAMU and TX Tech).

If you can't get him or Calipari, then like I said, do a nationwide search for a guy with 5+ years of head coaching experience and 15+ years of overall coaching experience that has shown he can recruit, win the big games, and beat his rivals.

3/11/2006 2:24:19 PM

Whitt did a hell of a job bringing up Wagner College to their first NCAA bid. He has taken Fordham in two years and brought them to their first .500 or better season (finished 16-16), their best finish since 1991-1992. He might not be a bad hire, but it would probably have to be a few years down the road. He is also making good in-roads with New York HS coaches, so there are some great recruiting ties already.

3/11/2006 2:27:21 PM

Whitt is a step back from sendek. ^even sendek did better than that at Miami

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 2:30 PM. Reason : sdf]

3/11/2006 2:29:58 PM

http://www.rateitall.com/i-29261-herb-sendek-north-carolina-state.aspx

3/11/2006 2:32:24 PM

rick barnes all the way, second choice calipari, its time for a change...and i want chucky brown and tom burrelson on the staff chucky for post player coaching (and motivating our players to beat unc) and burrelson for referee intimidation, some people who care about nc state and not just themselves and their own basketball philosophy.
on another note ive been reading posts this afternoon watching the games and swlpack is so my new favorite person, intelligent.

3/11/2006 2:52:23 PM

i support mike davis.

3/11/2006 3:45:41 PM

^^^

Quote :

"Great to see I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is awful. When you consider the winning ways of a very personable football coach (Amato) compared to the rather stoic personaility of Sendek, there's an obvious difference. He can't relate to the media and he can't relate to those players. How many of his players have gone on to the pros. NONE!! He does nothing to nurture and build upon the talent given to him. Rambling"

these are the people you're basing your opinions on ?


none... ?

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ^]

3/11/2006 3:49:12 PM

Quote :

"understands the importance of rivalries (consistantly has beaten OU, TAMU and TX Tech)."

Are you seriously comparing those rivalries to ours with Duke, UNC, and Wake?

Are you retarded?

3/11/2006 3:52:03 PM

yes

3/11/2006 3:56:20 PM

first off, i said he should go to Duquense, to whoever that fucktard was on the first page

Quote :

"Whitt did a hell of a job bringing up Wagner College to their first NCAA bid. He has taken Fordham in two years and brought them to their first .500 or better season (finished 16-16), their best finish since 1991-1992. He might not be a bad hire, but it would probably have to be a few years down the road. He is also making good in-roads with New York HS coaches, so there are some great recruiting ties already. "

YES LETS HIRE A COACH WHO WENT .500 IN THE FUCKING A-10

My top 3:

-Karl Hobbs
-the guy from UAB (nasty defense, "100 minutes of hell" style like Nolan Richardson)
-anyone who is known for a strong inside game

aw hell, what am I saying? the only coach our fans will accept will be some dirty guido.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 3:56:59 PM

this is all wasted typing, the only way we get rid of Sendek is if he chooses to leave, and he has faced much more heat than what he is facing now, so there is no chance in hell of him resigning. We all know Fowler wont fire him.

ps - dave noel just made a hustle play out of bounds near the unc bench and roy gave noel a high five. that is the kind of intensity that i want to see, and the kind we will never get under herb, it sucks.

3/11/2006 4:14:46 PM

Quote :

"these are the people you're basing your opinions on ?"

yea, but look at one of the supporters:

Quote :

"What a bunch of idiots you all are. You know what ticks me off the most? When people blame the teams coach. Herb is giving them real good plays but they just sometimes dont execute them. He is not on the court rebounding for them or shooting for them. It is the players that make the play. He can teach them anything, but they just have perform it on the court. Is it the coaches fault if they miss a 3 or a 2?? If you all honestly think that.... then you have nothing else in life to do but sit there and blame other people for stuff that they are not responsible for. If I remember correctly last year NC State made it to the Sweet 16. You all are blaming herb because he is not another valvino. And your also blaming him because were not Number 1. Well you guys have alot of problems. "

That is equally retarded

3/11/2006 4:24:48 PM

Quote :

"valvino"

3/11/2006 4:26:03 PM

^^ oh I wasn't taking a side, everyone on that board should be removed from the gene pool

allthough I dont really see what that guy said is retarded... other than the valvino comment of course

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:40 PM. Reason : ,]

3/11/2006 4:38:12 PM

Quote :

"-Karl Hobbs -the guy from UAB (nasty defense, "100 minutes of hell" style like Nolan Richardson)"

Two niggers?

Karl Hobbs team really impressed me when we beat them by 21 here in Raleigh.

Mike Anderson? UAB is in the weak ass Conference USA and finishes 2nd. Does that impress you enough to want him to take over for Herb?

3/11/2006 4:41:28 PM

^^ no, he's not rebounding for them or shooting for them....but he is calling the plays that have no one crashing the boards, no real inside presence, etc., etc.

3/11/2006 4:43:36 PM

HOW CAN YOU BLAME THE HOLOCAUST ON HITLER!!!1!11!!


ITS NOT LIKE HE WENT OUT AND ROUNDED UP THE JEWS...DUH!!!21!

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:45 PM. Reason : (and Im in no way comparing Herb to Hitler.... just for sake of argument. )]

3/11/2006 4:45:16 PM

Godwinns Law

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:46 PM. Reason : go to hell]

3/11/2006 4:45:44 PM

Quote :

"Two niggers? "

is that necessary?

god you're a fucking retard


[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 4:45:53 PM

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA

3/11/2006 4:46:00 PM

I cannot believe some of the names you dumbasses throw out there.

Who would want to come here and coach and get bashed by 50% of our fans no matter what?

3/11/2006 4:48:50 PM

Today at a mexican restaurant this guy had a mustache that was weird and like seperated then cam eback together

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 4:49 PM. Reason : kl]

3/11/2006 4:49:14 PM

the only way i want someone besides herb is if we could get rick barnes

3/11/2006 4:49:20 PM

Please don't start the "Herb is a victim and we treat our coaches poorly" crap.


Dear God, he's been here a decade and is a multi-millionaire thanks to us. Gimme a break

3/11/2006 4:50:40 PM

I wouldn't start bashing a new coach for at least 5 years

3/11/2006 4:52:40 PM

Quote :

"the only way i want someone besides herb is if we could get rick barnes someone better than Herb"

The only one that I have heard that I would take over these guys is Calipari. He is still fairly young, recruits great, and is fiery and intense.

3/11/2006 4:53:32 PM

I WANT JORDAN COLLINS

he is a great player and a good man

3/11/2006 4:54:05 PM

Quote :

"Two niggers? Karl Hobbs team really impressed me when we beat them by 21 here in Raleigh. Mike Anderson? UAB is in the weak ass Conference USA and finishes 2nd. Does that impress you enough to want him to take over for Herb? "

1. die in a fire
2. are you saying he couldnt get better players at an ACC school?
3. same as #2, and i like his system. have you not seen them in the NCAAs?

hell, fuck it. our dumbass fans wouldnt want a black coach. all those old Pack Pride fuckers would want him gone if he didnt win a national championship. fuck you people.

might as well keep herb and make them suffer some more.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 5:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2006 5:07:31 PM

IT DOESNT MATTER. HERB WILL BE OUR COACH UNTIL HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE ANYMORE. HE WILL NEVER GET FIRED, AND WILL NOT QUIT ANYTIME SOON. SO STOP GETTING YOUR HOPES UP AND LEARN TO DEAL WITH A MEDIOCORE BASKETBALL TEAM.

3/11/2006 5:09:40 PM

i feel sorry for you people who wont get to attend another college and have to deal with Hurb and Chuckie the Clown for the rest of your life

3/11/2006 5:10:38 PM

attending college here now and born and raised a wolfpacker. been through les, herb, cocain, and chuck, Man i love college sports

3/11/2006 5:13:21 PM

What about Bob McKillop at Davidson?

3/11/2006 5:34:09 PM

what about Nate McMillian??

maybe Burleson as an assistant coach.. let him coach our big men..

3/11/2006 8:05:41 PM

Rumor has it that mcmillan is ineligible since he doesn't have a degree. I can't confirm the actual policy on that.

Just because burleson bitched at a ref on TV doesn't mean he would make a good coach.

3/11/2006 8:08:41 PM

Nate is not elligable because he makes almost 5 mill a year in the pros.............

3/11/2006 8:10:09 PM

Quote :

"Speaking of, did anyone notice yesterday that most of our scoring came off of fast breaks and pushing the ball up the court with Bennerman and Grant? We really didn't score consistently with our "offense" "

Look at the line from packpride's stat sheet.

Fast break points-WF 4,ST 26.....thats it herb....slow that shit down!!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny thing is, we suck at the break compared to lots of other teams. Imagine if we practiced it

3/11/2006 8:15:03 PM

Oh, but I first wanted to reply to this thread to say.....



What about Tubby Smith?

I heard (no sources, so take it how you want) that he was under consideration for the Wake job. He's taking as much heat at KY as Herb is here, if not more....and word is he wants out anyway. I dont know how I feel about him as a coach....cause you wonder if KY's downfall is permanent or not.

But....he's a class act. I'd rather have him than Barnes. And how great would it be if we snagged him away from Wake? I'd laugh.....never gonna happen though.

3/11/2006 8:18:58 PM

bob knight (enough said)
Jon thompson the 3 (georgetown, princeton only in name, actually uses his bigs)
mike davis (indiana, again uses his big man)

3/11/2006 10:37:58 PM

Jordan Collins

3/11/2006 10:38:52 PM

Quote :

"Please don't start the "Herb is a victim and we treat our coaches poorly" crap. Dear God, he's been here a decade and is a multi-millionaire thanks to us. Gimme a break "

Well, of course he isn't a 'victim' but that argument has some merit. Look no further then Nebreska football after Solich was fired... Callahan was about the 4th choice IIRC...

Quote :

"Karl Hobbs"

Doubt it. I'm nearly 100% certain he will be Calhoun's successor at UConn and I think he knows and wants that...

** And for the love of God quit throwing out Big East names. There is NO reason that Jay Wright, Rick Pitino, or John Thompson, III (especially him -- I think his Dad would LITERALLY kill him if he left G'Town) would come here. NONE. NONE. NONE.

[Edited on March 11, 2006 at 10:48 PM. Reason : Wright/Pitino were thrown out in OTHER threads..]

3/11/2006 10:44:07 PM

Quote :

"Doubt it. I'm nearly 100% certain he will be Calhoun's successor at UConn and I think he knows and wants that..."

You don't think it will go to Leitao over Hobbs?

Tubby Smith is an interesting choice that I would even consider an upgrade. He has a national championship and they are trying to get him out. He is familiar with NC. He went to High Point and plays golf at the Old North State Club on Badin Lake a lot.

3/11/2006 10:56:30 PM

I personally think State fans would shit their pants at the prospects of having Tubby Smith come here. He's had a rough 2 years, but at least he hasnt had a rough last 10 years

3/11/2006 11:05:56 PM

OK, question number 1...Herb is under contract right? When does his contract expire, in other words, when would he potentially leave for another school? Cause one thing is for sure, he's not leaving before his contract is up and there is no way he is getting fired.

Besides that, I think every one agrees that the NCSU community wants a basketball coach that

A) Can first and foremost consistently recruit with competitors like K and Roy next door.
B) Shows some emotion, some intensity during games. While we don't need a Roy or Bob Knight in here, we definitely need someone that can knock some sense into a player when they need it, and can rally a team to play for an entire 40 minutes.
C) Can develop players with real potential into 1st-team all-ACC players and future NBA prospects.

While the comment about how many NBA players Herb has developed is poorly stated, it is still an interesting point to bring up and shouldn't be ignored all together. I've been a Herb supporter my entire 4.5 years at State, but I think it has gotten to the point that a change is definitely warranted. That doesn't mean I hate State or that I think Herb has to go tomorrow, but I really don't think NCSU basketball is going to get any better if he stays. He has taken us to five straight NCAA's and no one can take that away from him, but I for one want a coach that can lead a team to conference titles and can at least present the opportunity of a Final Four to his team/school.

That's my two cents.

3/12/2006 12:09:50 AM

Quote :

"When does his contract expire, in other words, when would he potentially leave for another school? "

His contract only means that if we fire him, we have to pay his salary through that year. He can leave with no penalty (I do believe... right?)

His contract, from what I've heard, is through 2010. If we wanted to fire him we'd have to pay him 4 more years of salary, unless he willingly left.

Quote :

"I heard (no sources, so take it how you want) that he was under consideration for the Wake job. He's taking as much heat at KY as Herb is here, if not more....and word is he wants out anyway. I dont know how I feel about him as a coach....cause you wonder if KY's downfall is permanent or not. "

Tubby isn't a very good coach, IMO. He's won with Pitino's players and that's it.

He's wanted out for awhile now becuase he knows he's about to be fired.

[Edited on March 12, 2006 at 12:34 AM. Reason : ]

3/12/2006 12:32:09 AM

I dont want a class act. I want a Rick Barnes... someone who will go out and talk shit to Roy. Someone who will call out the ref bias by finishing a game with 4 players on the court. I want some goddamn fire in this organization. Give me Barnes or Bob Knight, and I will be happy

3/12/2006 1:37:32 AM

My Top 3

1. Rick Barnes
2. Gregg Marshall
3. Mike Davis

3/12/2006 2:05:44 AM

^^what he said

3/12/2006 2:12:00 AM

i want herbert sendek

3/12/2006 2:18:59 AM

and i want mediocrity for another ten years

3/12/2006 2:27:30 AM