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3/16/2006 4:00:09 PM

for page 2's sake

3/16/2006 4:02:18 PM

Looking over all the platforms, I don't see anything in Quick's that meet my fairly basic criteria:

1) I give a shit about the plank
2) I think that the candidate gives a shit about it.
3) I think it has a chance in hell of turning into reality.

The only idea he has that strikes me as noteworthy is bringing back my.ncsu.edu, because I have a bitch of a time finding class websites. Unfortunately, that's a minor thing in a long list of promises, and I don't expect anybody -- let alone some waste of biomass I trust about as far as I can throw -- to remember it when it's crunch time.

Then there's the fact that he's endorsed by that wannabe politburo of NC State, the goddamn Inter-Fraternity Council. Those fucking monkeys have too much sway already -- they need less, not more.

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Meanwhile, there are Quick's opponents. At the very least these men don't compell me by their very existence to live up to my family name and assassinate them.

The five-year tuition guarantee, book rentals, extending drop dates, and -- I'll admit it -- the Bojangle's deal all strike me as good and doable ideas. I'll be honest, Langley's a sort of distant buddy of mine, but I don't tend to think he's Albert Einstein, so the fact that he came up with five planks that actually pique my interest has me impressed. I also agree in principle with his attacks on Quick's wealth and tenuous connection to NCSU. If he weren't a long-time SG lackey who panders a bit much pop culture, voting for him would not trouble me.

I also look favorably -- or, at least, as favorably as I can anything related to SG -- on Cody's platform. For one thing, it's short -- in contrast to Will Quick's interminable list of things. If nothing else, Cody can't fall through on as many promises as Quick. I also think that the Taste of Hillsborough is an enlightened idea.

3/16/2006 5:56:39 PM

^We seem to be in agreement that quick is not the right choice b/c hes over reaching, and some of the things hes reaching for aren't good things to be reaching for.

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"Cody can't fall through on as many promises as Quick. I also think that the Taste of Hillsborough is an enlightened idea."

I like this too, I think it can work. I liked quick's community ideas, but its such a small portion of what he wants to achieve while making the university take in less money and spend more, that it seems like he will fail on many promises.

Langley's stuff though falls short of what I want in a SBP. He sounds like hes against the things that everyone hates... like paul cousins and parking nazis. There is plenty of effort being spent to make him look funny & likeable, but nothing more substantive. Atleast quick had some good ideas, even though he is putting himself in a situation where they could never be realized.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 6:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2006 6:19:55 PM

Oh yeah, Langley says plenty of stupid stuff designed to pander to people's obvious preferences...but, like I say, he produced five ideas that I actually liked, and even if that's only 1 good idea for every 10 shitty ones, it's a better ratio than I give a lot of SG fuckers.

3/16/2006 6:39:40 PM

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"Supplanter: "It's time someone had the courage to stand up and say: I'm against those things that everybody hates!""

I hope you don't mind Supplanter, but I just lifted this phrase for my Technician column tomorrow on the Senate President race

3/19/2006 5:29:49 PM

^its from futurama

3/19/2006 5:31:30 PM

ah that explains it...I was wondering how someone on TWW came up with such a handy sound bite...

(j/k Supplanter )

3/19/2006 6:52:23 PM

I'm just going to vote for whoever jackleg tells me to.

3/19/2006 7:08:58 PM

Will Quick is gay, his frat is gay. He's running for sbp, and two other of his frat buddies are running for senate pres and senior class pres. That's bullshit. Theres not way in hell our campus is voting for three of those motherfuckers for sg positions. They are members of an openly racist, sexist and elitist frat. Fuck em.

3/19/2006 7:28:28 PM

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"^its from futurama"

Yeah, I mentioned that on the front page... but it was apt in this situation.

3/19/2006 7:35:56 PM

Well, my desicion has been made, that FDT secures my vote for Quick

3/19/2006 7:43:53 PM

^^
haha oops, I looked right past that first post about it...probably why I'm not a news reporter

3/19/2006 9:22:16 PM

I'm sorry, but that Langely kid's ad comparing two Wills is straight up gay.

He looks like more of a frat-star than Will Quick.

3/19/2006 9:37:52 PM

ahhaa

3/19/2006 9:39:45 PM

Ghey!

3/19/2006 10:17:23 PM

Yeah, Langley says "I'm against what everybody hates."

But, at the same time, there is something to be said for that position. Opposition to the enemy should not be regarded as a negative, and, as you seem to admit, nobody claims that Paul Cousins and tailgating restrictions are anything but the enemy.

Neither Quick nor Cody -- especially not Quick -- seem to be fast to oppose these instruments of our oppression. The fact that Langley is, at least to some extent, speaks in his favor. I definintely don't want someone who will bend over and take it from the administration rather than representing his constituency.

There is, of course, another factor that bears considering.

Most of us seem to be in agreement that Quick is the enemy. I, admittedly, take things father than all that. But, if we all know that we don't want that prick in, Langley is the only viable option -- even if, as I have trouble understanding, you oppose his platform. At the end of the day, Langley has the better chance of defeating the enemy for the second year running. Even if that were all he had going for him, I would vote for him. As things stand, I have that, and the fact that I happen to believe in several planks of his platform.

So, all things considered, I have nothing in particular against Cody, but I have much in favor of Langley, and so I have pledged him my support. If someone wishes to make something of our at-best-casual-acquaintance, I will gladly confront them. But, for now, my position is decided, and I will do whatever necessary to place him in office.

I believe that to do so best serves liberty and the ideals upon which our student government was supposedly founded, and, as such, I will do whatever necessary to that end.

I implore you, concerned individuals of the Soap Box, vote for Langley; abandon your reservations, and you will be rewarded in the long haul.

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 2:53 AM. Reason : ]

3/20/2006 2:52:20 AM

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"At the end of the day, Langley has the better chance of defeating the enemy for the second year running. Even if that were all he had going for him, I would vote for him."

Student government elections don't seem so far removed that we can't hope to have much effect and that we have to choose between 2 candidates. I don’t think you should be so quick to relegate Cody to a 3rd party unwinnable position.

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" I'll be honest, Langley's a sort of distant buddy of mine"

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" our at-best-casual-acquaintance"

Its obvious that cronyism is whats going on here.

I think Cody has a lot better chance helping turn our section of Hillsborough Street more into a college feel road than Langley does of fixing parking while making the university take in less money and spend more. Bojangles discounts would be nice, but giving Hillsborough street a college town feel rather than random failing business with lots of through traffic would have a more lasting effect. We are only students at ncsu for a couple of years, so bojangles discounts wont help us that much, but turning Hillsborough street into a fun place to visit would have more of a lasting effect for all of us and seems like a more attainable goal.

If we are going to say langley's being against those things everyone hates is a good thing, then quick's being for the things everyone likes such as sports, community, traditions etc seems like an equally valid position.

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 9:05 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2006 8:39:21 AM

The rate this is going, I'll vote for Langley just to laugh at the campaign ads...

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 10:54 AM. Reason : http://www.votelangley.com/hillshike.wmv]

3/20/2006 10:51:52 AM

If you vote for Quick, the terrorists win.

3/20/2006 11:29:28 AM

I will vote against Will Quick just because mmpatel endorses him.

3/20/2006 11:30:39 AM

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"Its obvious that cronyism is whats going on here"

Until the election came along I don't think I'd spoken to the guy in around eight months. And let's not forget that I voted for the Pirate Captain, who I don't know at all.

That said, I'll assume you were just yanking my chain.

Incidentally, I wrote my last post so batshit plastered drunk that I don't even remember writing it, so apparently it was a bit more dramatic than my actual, sober position.

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"I think Cody has a lot better chance helping turn our section of Hillsborough Street more into a college feel road"

Talk about over-arching goals. You think that Cody is going to transform that lies outside of presidential "authority" when nowadays presidents can barely accomplish anything that is within that authority?

Of course I'd like to better Hillsborough Street, but I think the city of Raleigh is the instrument we should use to that end, not a student body president that is almost powerless over the student body.

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"If we are going to say langley's being against those things everyone hates is a good thing"

I didn't say -- or didn't mean to say -- that being against those things was inherently good, merely that it isn't inherently bad.

3/20/2006 1:13:42 PM

Yeah I wasn't serious about the cronyism... I just figured since you were on the defensive about it before anyone else mentioned anything, that it would be fun to push it a little bit.

Since there is an attack ad on Cody now, I think its safe to say he is seen as a major contender, and that those people who are voting for anyone but Quick ought to give serious consideration to this guy too instead of just Langley.

I don't care if Langley can throw one time better parties than Cody, I'm looking for sustainability, which isn't something I see in the idea of the university taking in less and spending more, or in the 1 time party success.

"Talk about over-arching goals. You think that Cody is going to transform that lies outside of presidential "authority" when nowadays presidents can barely accomplish anything that is within that authority?"

I think increasing student awareness and support of Hillsborough street can strengthen the long term customer support base of businesses there over time to start to change the feel of the area. And to some degree a change in feel comes with just believing a change can happen. I think you are right to point that a president can't do much within the traditional presidential authority, but stepping outside of that bureaucracy and working with students towards making Hillsborough a better place might be achievable precisely because its outside of authority.

Sustainability and not being confined by bureaucracy seem to make Cody the stronger candidate.
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i read it codys platform as long term college feel street, rather than block party like langely said. i don't think celebrating the end of classes by getting drunk on hillsborough street as a 1 time thing that langely seems to advocate would fix the issue that cody was trying to tackle with his plan.

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 1:55 PM. Reason : block party?]

3/20/2006 1:46:51 PM

Haha, I like the Langley ad.

Except, it's WMV so I'm morally obligated to vote against him (as Mac user)

3/20/2006 2:18:58 PM

thank god for adblock with http://www.votelangley.com/*.wmv

damn i hate embeds without play controls

3/20/2006 2:27:20 PM

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"Since there is an attack ad on Cody now, I think its safe to say he is seen as a major contender"

I'm not buying it. I'll grant that Cody isn't a joke, but that doesn't make him a big player. I'd never even heard of the asshole until this thread, which doesn't speak well to his potential.

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"I think increasing student awareness and support of Hillsborough street can strengthen the long term customer support base of businesses there over time to start to change the feel of the area."

I think you're saying it right here: "long term." Whoever wins will be in for a year. It will take several months to organize anything, another several to implement it, and several more to start seeing any results...by which time Cody's term would be over and someone with different priorities takes the presidency and focuses elsewhere.

Even assuming that Cody can accomplish anything outside of his tiny sphere of influence with businesses that have no huge motivation to cooperate with him substantially -- and he can't -- his efforts will peter out before giving us any benefit.

You just can't afford to take this "sustainability" and "long haul" approach with student government.

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"working with students towards making Hillsborough a better place might be achievable precisely because its outside of authority."

I ain't buying it. If he's working outside of the bounds of student government to do this, why do we even have to elect him? Why can't he just work as a private citizen if he's so goddamned concerned about it?

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"i read it codys platform as long term college feel street, rather than block party like langely said."

I hadn't given it much thought, but now that I do, I'm actually inclined to favor the block party for precisely the same reason that you oppose it: it's a one-time thing. Much more feasible for a president with so little influence and such a short term of office to accomplish. Sure, it wouldn't do as much as a long-term policy would, but that doesn't matter a hill of beans of the long-term policy is impossible.

3/20/2006 3:02:11 PM

Changing the parking situation on campus in less than a year, when building a new parking situation would take this university to plan for a few years, schedule the project to last for a year or two, and actually have the construction take 5 is also way outside of the 1 year time frame.

Unless what he means by dealing with parking nazis isn't make the situation better, but instead of having harsh parking fines he would instead let people park in spots that other people have paid for. but adding parking is the real way to deal with that issue, which seems outside the scope of a student government official.

Maybe I just don't know student government well enough, but they seem to be able do nothing influential whatsoever. getting students more interested in hillsborough street doesn't require the approval of the business owners on hillsborough street, but i certainly think they have enough financial motivations to work with him on this effort.

"I'm actually inclined to favor the block party for precisely the same reason that you oppose it: it's a one-time thing. "

Voting for someone b/c they will throw a party also seems just as outside of the student government "authority" as anything trying to give Hillsborough street more college town road feel. Maybe I'm just being self interested though. A party of Langley’s that I don't attend has no benefit, even if I were interested in attending it then it would only be a one time bonus, but a policy that is more long term with lasting benefits seems more appealing.

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"I'm not buying it. I'll grant that Cody isn't a joke, but that doesn't make him a big player. "

Student government is small potatoes. Any one who tries hard has decent chance. I don't think this should be treated like national politics where you have to choose the lesser of two evils. I really think this is small enough and local enough that all the candidates have a real shot and they should all be given full consideration, and none of them discounted because they weren't popular enough pre-election.

3/20/2006 5:44:21 PM

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"dFshadow: damn i hate embeds without play controls"

sorry, I'm new to premie-ness and still learning how to do embeds

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Supplanter & GrumpyGOP: surely you both recognize the inherent irony in TWW's foremost advocates for abolishing SG in its entirety debating respective candidates more than anyone else here?

3/20/2006 6:27:15 PM

will langley should remove his photo from his ads because he looks like a faggot.

3/20/2006 7:34:03 PM

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"Changing the parking situation on campus..."

Is something I don't give a shit about, so I don't much care what he can and can't accomplish in that area.

And before you try it, ever candidate has some plank that I couldn't care less about. Especially anything having to do with athletics.

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"Maybe I just don't know student government well enough, but they seem to be able do nothing influential whatsoever."

So how could you possibly expect them to implement a large-scale Hillsborough program over several years?

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"Voting for someone b/c they will throw a party also seems just as outside of the student government "authority" as anything"

It probably is outside of the SBP's sphere of influence, but it's closer than some strategy that is supposed to play itself out over several years and several administrations.

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"A party of Langley’s that I don't attend has no benefit, even if I were interested in attending it then it would only be a one time bonus, but a policy that is more long term with lasting benefits seems more appealing."

I probably wouldn't attend it either. But, if it happens, and it gets people into Hillsborough establishments they might not otherwise visit -- both of those are big "ifs," but not as big as those that are associated with Cody's plan -- then it will have accomplished much of the same goals.

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"I really think this is small enough and local enough that all the candidates have a real shot"

It's nice that you think that, but it doesn't make that true.

How small does an election have to be before anyone has a chance? Nobody thought the Libertarian had a shot in hell in the mayoral elections, and Raleigh's not that big. Where's the line?

Point is, unless Cody comes up with something that makes him truly stand out -- like the Pirate Captain did -- I'm not going to give him a second thought.

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"surely you both recognize the inherent irony in TWW's foremost advocates for abolishing SG in its entirety debating respective candidates more than anyone else here?"

Of course. Unfortunately, support for abolition of SG/violent revolution is somewhat lower than it needs to be. The world is what it is, and I can force myself to work with that.

3/21/2006 12:06:33 AM

haha touché, certainly can't fault you for that

3/21/2006 12:46:34 AM

My hat's off to Langley or whoever does his ads. Those are fucking brilliant.

3/21/2006 4:04:46 AM

might as well...

http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

3/21/2006 10:58:49 AM

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"Its nice that this guy is selfless and all, but wouldn't a thread one the student body president elections be better than one on a specific person. I mean if we get like 6 threads in the soap box each on individuals, then comparison discussion is going to be more difficult."

Well my concern about having threads on each candidate has not yet been realized, but there is now more than 1 thread on this guy. I hope people aren't voting based off name recognition.

3/21/2006 1:05:06 PM

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" I was encouraged to check out your post regarding my platform and I really appreciate your advice. You're %100 correct that there are ideas on my platform that will take extra funding. Thats a constant challenge in trying to improve things without increasing what we pay to go to school at State. I'm well aware of the struggle between quality and affordability and I'm reaslistic that not every idea is fiscally possible. I think the important thing is to take the time to find out from students what ideas they think are most important or neccessary to improve their college experience. Also as you noted there are a lot of ideas on my platform that are not at all costly and many of them are aimed at creating a more unified campus. I certainly can't take credit for all the ideas because they are a compilation if things I haveheard from students in my last three years at State. I appreciate you letting me know what was important to you and I'd like to encourage you to let me know of anything else you would like to see included in the platform Thanks Wiil Quick PS. If things are mistyped I apologize but I've got a broken hand right now so its slow going!"

While its mildly amusing that he misspelled his own name, he does seem to be making an effort to reach out. Since I’m saying something good about him, I hope he won’t mind me sharing a private message. And he did seem to have some good ideas.

I don’t fully understand the hostility towards him. I’m still leaning towards a vote for Cody, but Quick is in the running. Langley’s stuff comes across as funny, but at the same time it seems disrespectful. We’ve had our year of Pirate Captain to show that people don’t have much respect for SG, but what was the point if we don’t try to get back on the ball?

If someone could combine popular support (like the PC has, & like Langelys ads might get him) with a respectful/knowledgeable (that I see in much of Cody’s & parts of Quick’s platforms) then things would be better. I suppose atleast with the pirate crew thing everyone could feel like they were taking part… can any of these 3 get people excited about student gov?

3/21/2006 9:58:24 PM

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"I've got a broken hand right now"

That's a start. Now if God/fate/an angry mob would just finish the job, I could rest happy.

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"he does seem to be making an effort to reach out."

No, he's making an effort to feed you bullshit, and apparently he's succeding. What did the bulk of that letter amount to other than an admission of, "Hell no, I can't do most of that stuff."?

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"We’ve had our year of Pirate Captain to show that people don’t have much respect for SG, but what was the point if we don’t try to get back on the ball?"

And here I thought you were the one thinking about the long haul.

We should take whatever course will make the biggest jab at the Senate's inflated sense of self-importance. I think Langley will do his job while not taking it overly seriously. Hopefully, a few years of Presidents who see the Senate as what it really is -- a joke, most of the time -- and the effect will start trickling down into better, less pompous senators.

3/21/2006 11:23:44 PM