^^herb NOT calling a timeout and trusting his senior leader to make a play had nothing to do with it???

sometimes the best things coaches do are the things that they don't do

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 12:06 PM. Reason :^

Quote :

"had NOTHING to do with sendeck, no timeout was called, that was all hodge calling to be isolated to take the final shot"

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 12:07 PM. Reason : wanted to put the quote in to show what i was referring to]

3/16/2006 12:05:56 PM

Quote :

"we would be relegated to having to take a chance on a younger coach who has had success at a lower level of college bball"

we should promote Archie Miller to head coach, seriously

3/16/2006 12:09:10 PM

yeah because 43 is so old as a coach

3/16/2006 12:10:10 PM

Quote :

"Roy Williams is a better coach because Hansbrough gets better position than Ced is basically what you are saying."

once again packboozie reads what isn't there just like in the other thread. i never mentioned roy, herb, or any other coach for that matter.

you can teach a guy how to get in position better. you can teach a guy better post moves. you can teach a guy not to put the ball on the floor too much. you can teach a guy not too commit stupid fouls. all of these are coachable so to put all the blame on the player is absurd. it goes both ways.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 12:27 PM. Reason : ~]

3/16/2006 12:12:57 PM

Quote :

"sometimes the best things coaches do are the things that they don't do"

exactly, he wasnt given the opportunity to fuck things up, dont act like thats great coaching, thats just absence of bad coaching


in the bc game with under a minute left in regulation and the two overtimes sendek called a total of 6 timeouts with the ball. after those six timeouts we scored a total of 0 points.

i'm a fence sitter in this whole thing, but herb has never been a good play designer

3/16/2006 12:13:20 PM

^^you are right, but has roy really taught hansbrough all that he has done this year in the little time that he has coached him???

hansbrough works extremely hard, and while i hate his guts, u can't help but respect how hard he plays every night

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 12:15 PM. Reason : ^]

3/16/2006 12:14:34 PM

Quote :

"exactly, he wasnt given the opportunity to fuck things up, dont act like thats great coaching, thats just absence of bad coaching"

what do you mean he wasn't given the opportunity to fuck things up? he could have called a timeout. its not like he said timeout to the ref and hodge was like no, we are going to just keep playing

that was the point of my post, is that herb didn't call a timeout and he trusted his senior leader to make a play

3/16/2006 12:17:11 PM

Quote :

"dont act like thats great coaching, thats just absence of bad coaching"

i mean shit, he may as well not even show up for gametime like someone else said, his in-game decisions have always been susceptible, just give the guys a gameplan and let them figure it out on their own

3/16/2006 12:21:42 PM

Actually, when hodge was bringing the ball up the floor he looked at Herb and waved him off.

Herb was looking to call a timeout

3/16/2006 12:22:22 PM

^ what about Cam's big shot at the end of regulation vs. Clemson. Lets not forget we won some close games before this meltdown.

I'm too lazy to get quotes, but a lot of the thing said in thie thread about Ced are wrong. SOme are right, most are just bad. Lets also talk about our teams almost utter lack of ability at entry passes. They make some of the worst passes I have seen. All the position in the world cant save a shitty pass.

3/16/2006 12:23:08 PM

yea i was about to say that

Hodge waved it off and said "i got this"

3/16/2006 12:23:15 PM

Quote :

"^ what about Cam's big shot at the end of regulation vs. Clemson"

Did we call a timeout there?

I'm not sure that we did. Could have, but it didn't look like a set play...

3/16/2006 12:25:12 PM

"close games"

Lets all remember that many of those were close games that shouldnt have been close... Yes our players made some big shots during most of those games... but if you rely on making that big shot in every game, you will be average, at best.

lets not forget back to back 13-0 runs by dook and tarholes

3/16/2006 12:37:53 PM

Hey lets suck hansbrough's dick a little more in this thread

3/16/2006 12:38:45 PM

Quote :

"^^herb NOT calling a timeout and trusting his senior leader to make a play had nothing to do with it??? sometimes the best things coaches do are the things that they don't do"

i can't believe this defense of herb. haha.

3/16/2006 4:25:27 PM

Quote :

"Did we call a timeout there? I'm not sure that we did. Could have, but it didn't look like a set play..."

No, we just ran straight up the floor and Cam set himself.

3/16/2006 4:26:39 PM

Quote :

"if herb leaves, we will not make the tourney for 5 years i would put money on that we are starting to get multi star recruites, why...b/c they WANT to play for HERB and PLAY in HIS SYSTEM are you people really this dense...i can understand it from El Nacho, hes a water head baby but the rest of you need to think about what you are asking for i was in school during the Les Robinson era and if you want to go back to recruiting the calibre of player like Ishua Benjamin...then lets get rid of Herb... i hope NCSU give Herb a 10 year extension"

3/17/2006 9:32:41 AM

Quote :

"we are starting to get multi star recruites"

8 of Herb's 9 recruiting classes have been ranked in the top 20.

Try again

3/17/2006 9:34:42 AM

^He's saying as compared to recruiting before Herb.

3/17/2006 9:42:55 AM

if burleson coaches well have to go to 45 minute halftimes so hell have time to get out what he wants to say.

3/17/2006 10:42:51 AM

On the one hand, it'd be cool to have a coaching staff composed of DT, Burleson, and Towe. On the other, these guys have no experience with coaching or recruiting.

I would like it if our staff would work with these guys a little more. You've got to think Burleson could teach Ced and Brack how to grab some rebounds--they've already got the size, they need the fire.

We have some of the best players in our program's history at every game, wanting to be involved, but the staff prefers to do its own thing rather than take advantage of that...

3/17/2006 1:18:21 PM

on that knight school show, bob knight brought in former players and other great players of the past and had them speak to the guys. he may have just been doing that for show for the program, but he said he does that with his team. seems like a cool/good idea.

3/17/2006 1:20:03 PM

^I know it's common for football teams to bring their alumni around for motivation/teaching, I don't know how many basketball teams do it.

Probably has a lot to do with the difference in mentality between Herb and the older alumni (as evidenced by Tommy's comments...)


But I was thinking about the suggestion of DT coaching today, and it made me think of Isiah Thomas. Amazing player, awful at administrating.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 1:24 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2006 1:23:02 PM

does DT have any credentials that would suggest he'd be a solid BBall coach at NCSU? (other than his experience as a player, and HUGE reputation here)

3/17/2006 1:41:19 PM

^Not really. Giving him the job would be a total gamble.

3/17/2006 1:42:18 PM

well, if burleson or dt ends up coaching us, at least then we can squarely place blame on the douchebag old alumnuses that are trying to run herb out when we go 8-18...

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2006 1:43:17 PM

I think it would make their heads explode.

They're so ingrained to attack the coach

but there's no way they could attack DT.

DOES NOT COMPUTE

3/17/2006 1:46:54 PM

If we wanted DT to coach the team, we'd have had him on the staff a long time ago. You cant go from coaching nothing to head coach of a huge school like State.

3/17/2006 1:48:24 PM

DT won't coach us... no way

I have to think Burleson might have been a little tongue-in-cheek on that one that didn't come through on the radio (Like, said it with a smile on his face or something)


Surely he wasn't serious. (And I listened to it as well, he sounded serious from his voice, but surely he's smart enough to realize DT has absolutely no coaching experience).

3/17/2006 1:48:41 PM

Herb is the Jimmy Carter of NCAA bball


...that said, lets let the team play without writing any more technician articles plz

3/17/2006 1:49:56 PM

Quote :

"but there's no way they could attack DT. DOES NOT COMPUTE"

That's actually a really good point.


If DT was to ever coach us (which he wont), but just for fun.... how the heck do you fire David Thompson if he's terrible?

Yikes. That'd be an ugly situation... he's a freakin legend

3/17/2006 1:49:57 PM

On a side note, did anyone watching the game @Wake see if DT was there behind our bench?

I could've sworn I saw him from my seat, wearing that red hat he always has.

But by the time I left, I was so disgusted that I forgot to go see if it was him.

3/17/2006 1:51:09 PM

Quote :

"They're so ingrained to attack the coach but there's no way they could attack DT."

Doh thought the same thing about UNC...but their fans certainly didn't give him a lot of leeway.

3/17/2006 1:51:24 PM

Doh at UNC was nowhere NEAR the level that DT is here.

Doh was a decent player, DT is like a god to our alumni.

3/17/2006 1:52:18 PM

yeah, we all know what a legend Doh was at unc

michael jordan coaching unc would be a better comparison

3/17/2006 1:52:43 PM

good point...but UNC isn't stupid enough to let an ex-player w/ no previous experience coach their team. Just saying...if DT came in here and did a bad job...he'd get crapped on too. Our fans need someone who will flat out win basketball games and develop us into one of the elite programs in the country. Until then, I don't think people will be happy.

Herb's kept us top 20 all season...and look at us.

3/17/2006 1:56:46 PM

This is getting rediculous, Sate is a very competative team. We won 10 GAMES in the ACC this season.

Quote :

"He calls out Herb vs. Wake, saying Wake has the weakest ballhandling guards in the ACC... Minnesota beat them last night by pressing them and they couldn't handle it. Everyone else beats them by pressing and pressuring the ball, yet Herb elected to stay conservative and try to outshoot them. "

Wow, Burleson sounds like an idiot here. You can't pin a coaches job on one game or mistake. We completely obliterated BC this year because al Skinner kept the hottest player on the bench (Rice). So, it isn't like coaches don't make mistakes.

And, NC State has never been a good pressing team, they need time to set up there defence. So is Tom saying that they should change their whole defensive sheme for one game? That is tooo risky and reminiscent of a desperate coach (see guillen last year). Coaches make mistakes.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 6:16 PM. Reason : stuff]

3/17/2006 6:09:37 PM

Quote :

"Until then, I don't think people will be happy. "

period

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 6:11 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2006 6:10:59 PM

Quote :

"if burleson coaches well have to go to 45 minute halftimes so hell have time to get out what he wants to say."

dog, use some damn punctuation. that post was hard as shit to read.

3/17/2006 6:14:07 PM

85% of the WPC wants Herb out? They send out a survey? Sounds like crap to me and thanks to all of you that decided to quit before the season is over and put a ton of stress and pressure on our players. I guess getting Herb out of here is better than winning games. Herb may not be the best right now, but at least let him finish the season.

3/17/2006 6:46:23 PM

yeah, I guess the players were "too stressed" because of the fans when they got blown out by unc in front of the biggest rbc crowd of the year.

3/17/2006 6:51:51 PM

hey

thats not even close to what he said

good try you fucking moron

3/17/2006 6:52:44 PM

he said fans put stress on our players.

Quote :

"thanks to all of you that decided to quit before the season is over and put a ton of stress and pressure on our players."

when did this happen?

before or after the event I described?

before or after they became the laughing stock of the acc following 2 losses against the worst team in the league?


edit: Oh I guess he is talking about right now, but I still don't see how we are putting any extra stress on our players. explain that one. do they read tww? if so then that's their problem.

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 6:57 PM. Reason : fd]

3/17/2006 6:55:33 PM

he's talking about the shitstorm that began after we lost to wake

which

if my trusty ol calendar here is correct

was after the carolina game

so don't even bring up that tired carolina shit

--

you think the herb haters are exclusively on tww?

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 6:59 PM. Reason : ]

3/17/2006 6:58:22 PM

of course not, but

Quote :

"I still don't see how we are putting any extra stress on our players."

because we are mad about losing to the worst team in the acc?

[Edited on March 17, 2006 at 7:01 PM. Reason : fsd]

3/17/2006 6:59:14 PM

do you not realize how much worse this shit has gotten in the past two weeks

3/17/2006 7:00:14 PM