Page 2 for change!

3/22/2006 2:40:57 PM

Who do I get grouped with, TGD?

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2006 2:43:53 PM

Bttt...

3/22/2006 4:32:30 PM

^^
depends on if you continue improving your performance record in the Soap Box



I've gotta say, Student Senate was actually impressive last night. And Tracy Hutcherson's decision to withdraw from his Senate race was one of the noblest gestures I've seen any politician do...well...ever.

Watching the Pirate Captain tout the benefits of abject surrender was disappointing though, he killed that whole "I'm a pirate, arrrrrr!" image I had of him

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 2:24 PM. Reason :  ]

3/23/2006 2:24:09 PM

The bottom line with student government is this: They represent a group that doesn't care how they're represented. (proven by election of the Pirate Captain) Students don't notice any difference from year to year regardless of who's in office. And the only people I've ever seen talk about the importance of student government are the people in it. It seems to exist only to keep itself in existance.

3/23/2006 3:28:33 PM

Quote :

"show your discontent... join a facebook group. http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569 but seriously, it tells how to remove student senate if anyone was serious about doing it."

It should be on this page too

3/23/2006 4:33:09 PM

Quote :

"Dear Students, Tonight, the university administration, under direction of Vice-Chancellor for Student Affairs Tom Stafford, shut down the elections server for the student body elections. Dr. Tom Stafford acted in a capricious and malicious way in his reckless campaign to disenfranchise all 7,000+ part-time students. The student government is steadfast in its belief that part-time students should vote and run for office. All students that are required to pay a fee should have representation and a voice in university decisions. Student leaders are saddened that the university administration has decided to act disrespectfully to the student body. The Elections Commission unanimously decided to postpone the student body elections until next Monday and Tuesday, April 3 & 4. As in similar unanimous stances, the commission maintained that the current ballot, which includes part-time students, will be the only ballot presented this election season. All students will vote. Please expect updates as they come and stay-tuned to local media outlets for more information. We are disappointed in our administration and we will continue to ensure that every student has due rights at our public institution. Email me with questions at ssp@ncsu.edu. Goodnight and thank you for your encouragement in these difficult times. Forrest "

I'm glad that went out over a public listserv at 3am in the morning

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 5:22 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 5:20:36 AM

^ We held a meeting as soon as possible (midnight). We had a showing of about 40-50 students, the Technician, WRAL and ABC11 throughout the night. You'll hear about it this morning.

Choosing to “nullify” (really 'not recognize'... the administration can’t change Student Body or Student Senate actions, however they can choose if they want to recognize them or not, a power delegated to them under the UNC System code) and doing what the administration did by attempting to outright stop it from happening are two different things. You don't order your troops out in America to keep people from voting if the outcome is not one you feel will be "right." This is a PUBLIC UNIVERSITY for goodness sake.

Please attend the press conference in front of Witherspoon Student Center, 11:00am TODAY if you're one who cares about keeping the administration from blocking a vote on Student Government, Student Media, and the Student Union.

This will be heading out into the real world quite fast. It's not often in this nation that you see something like this happening... you don't stop elections and you don't remove one's right to vote.

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 5:55 AM. Reason : ]

3/27/2006 5:54:14 AM

According to the Technician online article (URL too long to post), and reading between the lines, Stafford made a political move, by not giving student government a good deal of time to respond to the memo he sent out. The time factor being limiting enough that it would affect Spring 2006 elections. I don't agree with what happened, but at the same time, I don't agree with publically denouncing somebody's actions with descriptions like "capricious", "malicious", and "reckless". Bleh, see how this plays out.

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 6:19 AM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 6:17:09 AM

Quote :

"You don't order your troops out in America to keep people from voting if the outcome is not one you feel will be "right.""

Are you really trying to compare SG elections to real ones?

3/27/2006 8:12:40 AM

Quote :

"Are you really trying to compare SG elections to real ones?"

Importance is far less than a real one I admit. However when you look at local races for cities comparable in size, it's not something too different (except how the candidates get their messages out).

We're in a unique situation with a extremly high majority of votes being cast online (98%+) but if we went back a few years to the paper ballot way, a lot of similarities would show.

So short answer, yes. And think of what would happen if this was a city of 30,000 instead of a University. It's not, but the principle doesn't change, and everyone still deserves a vote.

3/27/2006 8:30:37 AM

thats bullshit

vote for what? another white guy who drives an suv, is out for himself, and brings a sense of elitism, or another black guy who panders to the white crowd like he's theo huxtable?

its not what you do, it's the choices we're given. and when we're given choices we don't like we'd just assume burn the house down instead of turning off the lights. yes, it might be short sighted, but this isn't exactly the student body's fault, is it? no, but we're left to say "what the fuck ever, just get rid of it"

i sat there and watched motherfuckers come out of Witherspoon the night the pirate captain won. I watched every single one spit venom and shriek in disgust at it, promising their revenge, assuring each other that "this wont last, we'll get him."

i knew three of them from church. wonderful. but that's beside the point.

this isn't about some constitutional right to vote here. we're all paying members into a club (or university, if you will) and with that comes rights. if you pay the full price, you get the full membership. if you don't, you get partial benefits. whats so hard to understand about that?

3/27/2006 8:36:42 AM

^

Quote :

"AxlBonBach: if you pay the full price, you get the full membership. if you don't, you get partial benefits. whats so hard to understand about that?"

nothing at all, as soon as everyone gives up their right to vote in "real world" elections because they're not in the top 50% of taxpayers

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 9:25 AM. Reason : Republicans would run everything, w00t ]

3/27/2006 9:25:01 AM

Quote :

"if you don't, you get partial benefits."

Where else are partial benefits afforded instead of full at this University?

Does paying only part of your fees (compared to full-time regular enrollment) mean you can't play a club sport? The only requirement is one credit hour to do that. How about go to shows at Stewart Theatre and get a student rate... does part-times only get to go to a limited number or shows, or have to pay the outsider price? Or Student Health Center... do they limit your services because you are not taking a full-time class load meaning you're not paying the full Student Health fee?

Also where is the PROBLEM of having part-time students participate in Student Government? It is not like we are being over-run by any means... only a few in Student Government are, compared to the vast majority who aren't. The problem comes down from the Administration not wanting these students to be involved, particularly Tracy Hutcherson, who does a good job pointing out their flaws and being a thorn in their side. They’ve had it and now they’re angry at us for not allowing them to make the changes they desire to in order to kick these students out. Why aren’t we seeing a push to kick these students out of attending UAB events? How about participating in student organizations or college/department activities? What the administration is trying to do is bogus but the Technician surely isn’t going to take that stance -- all you hear is whining instead of praise for Tracy for picking up such issues as why University Dining got a cut rate for space in Talley (not paying the amount for rent near the cost it is for us to upkeep with our student fees... they were given a cash cow out of our wallets and our operations fee continues to rise... why?).

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 9:26 AM. Reason : grammar]

3/27/2006 9:25:27 AM

I'm not inclined to disagree with you, but I want to point out a flaw in that logic. Part time students are more than welcome to be a part of SG, but they cannot hold office. Likewise, they cannot hold office in the other major organizations on campus, so there really is not the difference that you point out.

A part time student can easily be appointed to a commission or other parts of SG, they simply can never be on a ballot as the Constitution currently stands.

Just wanted to add that logic, but not necessarily disagree w/ your point

3/27/2006 9:30:33 AM

I'd be inclined to pay SG fees...

...if tuition didn't go up every year.

3/27/2006 9:44:50 AM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=396951&page=1

3/27/2006 10:01:06 AM

Quote :

"lahyde: Likewise, they cannot hold office in the other major organizations on campus, so there really is not the difference that you point out."

Like what?

3/27/2006 10:07:25 AM

I think the administration is full of shit and then everyone wonders why SG is so fucked up.

3/27/2006 10:43:41 AM

^^I mean places like UAB and IRC, because both of which you would have to be a full time student to have run for office...right?

3/27/2006 12:15:02 PM

Quote :

"disenfranchise"

hahahhahhah go buzzwords!

3/27/2006 12:44:25 PM

Quote :

"The student government elections website vote.ncsu.edu was shut down just after 11pm on Sunday 3/26 due to an improper ballot submitted by the Elections Commission. Information on when the Spring elections will be rescheduled will be posted once it is available. "

They are breaking the rules in favor of part timers to get election results they prefer, and the administration seems to be unwilling to back down on a breaking of the rules. What’s the point in rescheduling?

I had thought a referendum might be the only way to get rid of student senate, but it seems they may manage to get themselves removed own their own.


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I believe stafford/the administration said before hand that they wouldn't accept giving part timers the same election related benefits full timers/payers get, and that senate came out against not giving part timers full benefits.

I can only assume the improper ballat means that the stafford/the administration is standing behind what they said about no rule breaking earlier.
http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:10 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 12:57:54 PM

Seriously. Way to go to Stafford for doing what's right. It's clearly enumerated in the constitution that what they did wasn't permissible. Stafford gave fair warning, and the Senate knew what would happen.

They even passed a resolution not to change the language...all they're committed to is being right -- nothing more.

They want *this* to be their major battle? Over part time students? Come on -- there have got to be bigger fish to fry. All of this from a Senate that passes fake bills, tries to impeach a president they don't like, and who's grad students reps are wound up *way* too tight? When do those guys graduate, anyways?

I am definitely on Stafford's side for this. Unfortunately, I'm not that clear on the positions of the pres candidates on the part time student effort. Do you know which are *against* the pat time student resolutions? Because they will be the ones getting my vote.

3/27/2006 1:11:36 PM

do you realize how ignorant the title of this thread is? YOU are a student...and SG is the only chance for representation and a voice that we get.

Now more than ever we should fight FOR a student government NOT against it. The administration is already fighting against it enough.

If you don't like how SG is operating, vote or run for office and try to fix it. But let's not attempt to get rid of it, the administration is already hard at work at that.

3/27/2006 1:14:50 PM

It seems like most of senates time is not spent being representative of students, so the removal of such a body doesn't hurt students at all.

The senate & election committee are taking a stand.

Its a stand. I'm not sure if they are right on the issue or not. But if they fail then it will prove again that they are ineffective. At their worst they reflect poorly on us, at their best they are ineffective. If they fail, and I dont see how they wont b/c the administration doesn't seem to want to back down on giving part timers full benefits, then they have no legs left to stand on. And if they push the issue far enough, then not having elections is a possiblity.

I think going a year without student government, and then a fresh start might be just what we need.

3/27/2006 1:17:34 PM

The administration is doing what they're doing because *our* student gov isn't following *their own* constitution.

Do they not get that?

And hell, if I needed something done I'd go to Stafford way before I went to SG.

3/27/2006 1:17:58 PM

^
And yet Stafford has said part-time students can vote...as they've done ever since he's been at NCSU, during which time the Constitution has never been changed. So don't feed me that bullshit of "but omf they're not following the constitution!!1"

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"virga: I am definitely on Stafford's side for this. Unfortunately, I'm not that clear on the positions of the pres candidates on the part time student effort. Do you know which are *against* the pat time student resolutions? Because they will be the ones getting my vote."

none. all of them support 1) part-time students voting, 2) part-time students being allowed to run, and 3) students being able to amend the Constitution without administrative interference.

Quote :

"Technician Reporter: 5) You are all aware of the controversies surrounding part-time students, and recent administrative threats of nullifying the election. Please provide your personal positions on: i) allowing part-time students to vote, ii) allowing part-time students to hold office in Student Government, and iii) the right of students to amend the Student Body Constitution without administrative interference. Will Langley: i) all students should be able to vote if they are paying a fee to Student Government. The phrase is "Students First", not "Full-time Students First". SG should be remembering those people more often, how hard it is to pay for school or even find a parking spot on campus. ii) anybody should be able to run for office -- let the voters decide instead of the Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs iii) absolutely students have the right to amend their Constitution. Student Government should be student-run and should not be influenced by the Administration Will Quick: Part time students should certainly be allowed to vote and run for office. The pro-rated fee they pay is equivalent to the fee full time students pay to SG and they deserve their representation for that reason. Its unfortunate that the administration has chosen to take a stand on this after years of letting it pass. I do think its important to revise our Constitution to ensure its clear and much more concise. It is well within the rights of the student body to amend the Constitution and I think it should be done next year. An effort to change the atmosphere within SG will need to be accompanied by an indepth look at modifying the Constitution and Statutes. Cody Williams: I feel very strongly that all students that attend this university should have the right to vote. Even if you are part time, decisions that are made by student body officials have an impact on you. For this same reason I think that part time students should be allowed to hold positions as well. If these students are not allowed to hold positions then who will be looking out for their best interests? With 25% of the student body being part time students, there should be representation for them. As for the student body constitution, I believe that if an amendment is placed on a ballot and students vote on it and it passes then that should be final. Students make up this university and their vote should not be denied. It is called a STUDENT BODY constitution for a reason. Students at NC State were intelligent enough to be accepted here and I believe that they are intelligent enough to make decisions about our constitution with out interference."

just write in The Pirate Captain. he's done a good job selling out this past year and deserves another term.


[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:30 PM. Reason : interview responses]

3/27/2006 1:23:31 PM

if the administration were really out to get us, rather than doing what they thought was right, since they have control over who is admitted, they could just ask the right kind of admissions questions to be more selective about who gets in. i'm not sure if the administration is right or wrong, but they certainly aren't evil or out to get us... b/c they easily could have already if they wanted to.

3/27/2006 1:32:54 PM

Quote :

" do you realize how ignorant the title of this thread is? YOU are a student...and SG is the only chance for representation and a voice that we get. "

the title of this thread is far from ignorant my friend. While most students dont give a shit about SG, there are some that actually realise its a crock of shit. Fight for them? IN YOUR DREAMS!! Supplanter had it spot on when he said it's their stand and if they cannot emerge victorious, then what good are they anyway?

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:45 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 1:45:02 PM

^^
I don't think the Administration is "out to get us," I just think they're politically tone deaf.

If Student Government is worthless, and everyone hates Student Government, and Student Government will collapse on itself anyway...why would you do something like this that will inevitably give Student Government favorable PR?

In the "real world," people support ideas like defending minority rights. The public would be more in favor of part-time students running than the NCSU campus ever would be -- and yet the Administration has offered an opportunity for Student Government people to try and get the attention of the "real world."

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 1:46 PM. Reason : to Supplanter]

3/27/2006 1:45:23 PM

Student Government is a thick, steamy, HUGE piece of BULLSHIT! Vote the Dissolution of Student Senate today!....do yourself a favor....hey, maybe the douches will stop even applying to our school and go to some other school that is politically insane and mindless and let them do whatever the fuck they want! Frankly, I would be happy to see senate chambers turned into a massage spa or something cool like that. With the fees we save off of student government being gone we could all get a kick ass massage during hard times

3/27/2006 1:55:15 PM

sigh

it is all pointless now.

3/27/2006 3:12:03 PM

you know, someone should flood the campus w/ "DONT VOTE-ABOLISH STUDENT GOVERNMENT" signs tonight...

not me, i have work

3/27/2006 3:22:46 PM

i'd help with this
but i'm already too busy

3/27/2006 3:24:04 PM

Quote :

"do you realize how ignorant the title of this thread is? YOU are a student...and SG is the only chance for representation and a voice that we get. Now more than ever we should fight FOR a student government NOT against it. The administration is already fighting against it enough. "

I may not be an expert on democratic institutions but I believe the senate's power is derived from the students. The only time the senate is EVER going to be able to make a powerful stance against the administration is going to be with the full backing of the student body usually in an angry mob-like form.

Lets be honest here, you can spend as much time as you want making cute little chains out of construction paper but at the end of the day when your finished no one gives a shit unless there's a couple thousand angry students with real chains standing behind you.

The senate has in fact proved very adapt of doing quite the opposite of what the students want. WE voted the pirate captain in, get over it. Work with him. But no, you'd rather waste your time a week before elections trying to impeach him, and then, when you fail, you manage to actually EXTEND his term of office even LONGER because you can't even make a God-damned ballot that complies with your OWN constitution!!!

The fact you face now is that the very source of your power, the student body, is very rapidly turning against you. At this point the student body would be FAR more likely to show up for a rally to disband the student senate and burn Witherspoon to the ground then they ever would be to show support for the senate's childish fight with the administration.

The bright side is the senate is finally doing what it's always wanted to: awaken the sleeping dragon that is the usually apathetic student body. What they are about to learn, however, is that it is not wise to waken a sleeping dragon by standing in front of it and repeatedly poking it with a sharp stick.

3/27/2006 4:41:24 PM

^Thread over. Dack wins.

3/27/2006 5:16:31 PM

that was nicely put
http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

3/27/2006 5:21:21 PM

word..

and Casey, I agree about the massage spa, mossssssst def.

3/27/2006 5:27:20 PM

Anyone else find it funny that at a school that already has as much agricultural awareness as you can get, that trying to get more agricultural awareness here is a bigger story that the elections?

See the main story. And their was way more pro-tractor stuff in the brickyard than there was pro-elections.
http://www.technicianonline.com/

Seriously... people should e-mail Vice Chancellor Tom Stafford thanking him for putting an end to this joke of a student government election, and encouraging him not to back down until they can behave more representatively and within the rules.
tom_stafford@ncsu.edu

Apparently he is already getting e-mails and calls thanking him. If this keeps up, this will be the closest we’ve got to removing senate and any sort of revolution in a while.

I'd rather have the administration, who is the only one with any power, on my side than a non representative student government who is trying to impeach the last president who was elected TPC at the end of his term.

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 5:58 PM. Reason : .]

3/27/2006 5:34:12 PM

i'm just amazed that of ALL the things affecting this campus, of all the issues, budget cuts, all of that, that THIS is the issue for which they have magically found the strength within themselves to take a stand on.

part time student stuff.

there are SUCH larger fish to fry on campus than this. If you wanted to finally command respect from the student body, this is not the issue to rally behind.

3/27/2006 5:53:48 PM

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"urn Witherspoon to the ground "

Don't burn ALL of Witherspoon, the campus cinema is nice yo

FYI to those of you wanting to abolish student government ... stop and think ahead for a minute. They DO have real responsbilities that, despite all the crap surrounding it, NEED to be done for the student body. If you can find somebody to willingly take over those responsibilities, more power to the movement. If you can't, and you still want it abolished, you don't have ANY rights to complain about ANYTHING that may happen next year.

3/27/2006 6:01:25 PM

Quote :

"Dear Dr. Stafford, This is just a brief thanks for putting a halt to the elections of a non-representative student government group that was trying to operate outside of their own rules. I much prefer the feeling that the administration is on the side of the students, rather than the squabbling student senate/elections committee who seem to be spending all their time trying to impeach elected representatives. Gratefully, Jake A. Goad "

Heres the e-mail I just sent him. I know some others have e-mailed and called him too. Have any other tdubbers recently e-mailed him thanking him?

3/27/2006 6:08:14 PM

i saw a poster with dr stafford's head on it, trying to call him out as being against students

should have used the same photo and put HERO in giant letters under his head, instead

3/27/2006 6:09:50 PM

everything is done online now anyways and a university is such a small group that we could have a direct democracy with the online voting system, without making this into a republic with a petty senate. let the administration run what it needs to, and let students vote online for anything that actually requires student input.

3/27/2006 6:15:46 PM

emailed

[Edited on March 27, 2006 at 6:33 PM. Reason : he already responded - good man]

3/27/2006 6:17:45 PM

Cody has my vote for as long SG is around.

But heres a site that explains 2 ways the revolution could actually occur.
http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

And heres a discussion of how we could keep our representation w/o a student senate.
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=397139

3/27/2006 7:16:10 PM

3/27/2006 8:02:13 PM

heres the 4th candidate
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=396954&page=1#8507966

3/27/2006 8:08:34 PM

This is giant I know, but don’t want to post 10 times to get this all out. In regards to the comments made today:

Quote :

"^^I mean places like UAB and IRC, because both of which you would have to be a full time student to have run for office...right?"

UAB I'm unsure, for the Union:

Union and University Student Center Constitution - Article I, Union Governance, The Student Centers Board of Directors:
"SECTION FOUR – Student Centers Board of Directors Membership. All student members of the Student Centers Board of Directors must be currently enrolled fee-paying students in good standing with the University academically and disciplinarily."

For officers, it requires "regular enrollment":
"SECTION FIFTEEN – General Qualifications. Each Student Centers Officer shall at the time of their selection be a student in good standing, regularly enrolled in the University, and a fee-paying member of the Union. Furthermore, the Student Centers Officers must remain enrolled in the University, remain students in good standing, and remain fee-paying members of the Union for their entire term in office."

Fee-paying means they must pay into the fee, not at least the full-time equilivent to the fee. Regularly enrolled is not defined, but I don't feel it would rule out the 6-11 credit hour part-time students enrolled in a degree-seeking program for multiple semesters. The Union Statues can put additional qualifications on them, but I do not have a copy I can reference from.


For IRC, it is a requirement that our adivsor be a full-time graduate student, but for members, expecially liaison's who are excluded from many requirements, it can be different.

For members there are GPA requirements, but not a time-based requirement. Living on-campus is one prerequisite to becoming an officer and if you leave campus (why I don't know because IRC pays your housing cost to be here) you will be removed by the General Assembly on principle. But the requirements to live on-campus can be waved by Housing according to their policy if you are not taking a full-time course load, and you don't have to be in cases of taking only a few hours during the last part of your senior year.
"Article I: Qualifications
Any person elected to the IRC Executive Board, IRC Committee Chair, IRC Executive Assistant, IRC Representative, or At-Large member position must be a resident of a North Carolina State University residence hall. All the IRC Executive Board members shall have a 2.5 cumulative Grade Point Average (GPA) based on a 4.0 scale. IRC Committee Chairs, IRC Liaisons, IRC Representatives, At-Large members, and IRC Executive Assistants shall have and maintain a 2.0 cumulative Grade Point Average (GPA) based on a 4.0 scale. Nominees for the IRC Executive Board shall be in at least their second consecutive semester on campus. Additionally, no voting members, in any position, shall have a prior history of conviction by the University judicial board. University Housing Resident Advisors may hold IRC elected positions with the exception of IRC Executive Branch positions."

Quote :

"They are breaking the rules in favor of part timers to get election results they prefer,"

There are no rules being broken. The argument made by Dr. Stafford is that we've been doing it wrong for over 20 years and now (despite the havoc caused by timing), it needs to be fixed. This hasn't been the interpretation of those in Student Government, otherwise the practice would have changed a long time ago. This is a re-interpretation of the STUDENT Constitution by the Administration (who does NOT have the power to do that, they can choose not to recognize us, but not change our stances or ban our ability to make them through changes to the Student Body Constitution and Statutes). If it were left up to the students to clarify how they wanted to interpret it, (hence the referendum on the ballot) and it is passed against Dr. Stafford's wishes, he will refuse to let it take effect. The administration will do all they can to get people like Tracy Hutcherson out of Student Government... we have very few others, but now all of a sudden the Administration wants to make a big deal out of it because the Student Senate and Elections Commission will not back down and let him make such a change.

Quote :

" They even passed a resolution not to change the language...all they're committed to is being right -- nothing more."

Can you tell me when this happened? You’re confused with the Judicial Branch reform amendment – not that to clarify part-time students can be involved which is our current one (Dr. Stafford has already said he doesn’t care what the vote is, he will not recognize it... “Students First” is his motto, right).

Quote :

" I am definitely on Stafford's side for this. Unfortunately, I'm not that clear on the positions of the pres candidates on the part time student effort. Do you know which are *against* the pat time student resolutions? Because they will be the ones getting my vote."

They’ve all been kept informed (except those who haven’t campaigned or participated in the election thus far other than by name only), heard both sides of the debate and have made their decisions. EVERY candidate for the top Student Body Officer positions is for including part-time students for this vote. Some want to see discussion of this after the election regarding the role of part-time students if they should have one and will see to it that the discussion is started. But not one will tolerate the part-time students being excluded this election cycle (http://www.yes7000.org/). Dr. Stafford is creating this issue (where there wouldn’t be one) by trying to stop TWO students from running, that’s it. He is unwilling to let an election happen until he gets his way... the Elections Commission is committed otherwise, and will have an election happen if the administration wants it to or not. Students are in the right, and have a right to make this happen.

Quote :

" It seems like most of senates time is not spent being representative of students, so the removal of such a body doesn't hurt students at all."

Does it help the students any at all? I can and have named many important and useful things provided by the Student Senate to the Student Body, please check my past posts if you want to see them.

Quote :

" The administration is doing what they're doing because *our* student gov isn't following *their own* constitution. Do they not get that?"

This is more ambiguous than you make it out to be. Student Government is, by their interpretation, (as it’s been held for 20+ years) following their constitution. Dr. Stafford and others in the administration like Dr. Deb Luckadoo, have come up with a new interpretation that doesn’t agree with Student Government’s. The deal put on the table was “let’s have this election and we promise to talk about it next year with you” but the Administration will not take that up. Instead they are doing their best to have Student Government back down and fold to their wishes, taking up an interpretation nearly all of people in SG don’t agree is correct.

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" i'm just amazed that of ALL the things affecting this campus, of all the issues, budget cuts, all of that, that THIS is the issue for which they have magically found the strength within themselves to take a stand on. part time student stuff. there are SUCH larger fish to fry on campus than this. If you wanted to finally command respect from the student body, this is not the issue to rally behind."

You haven’t been paying attention. The Student Senate has been spending huge amounts of time to address other issues like these throughout the year. Budget cuts from the state, we fought against those, increasing tuition and fees? On that issue we made two arguments, one public via “Chained by Tuition” and one detailed to the administration through reps on the standing committees... Forrest Hinton was one who led the charge on that. How about issues with University Housing? Getting more gates open at games and fighting restrictive tailgating policy? How many people missed the giant line of students taking input surveys in the brickyard that day with tables out, a large truck and an NC State flag flying by Harrelson? Dr. Stafford attempted to fight us taking a more active roll in the fee approval process earlier in the year. We took as much of a stand on that as we could at the time. To say this is the only thing we have the nerve to take a stand on is wrong... however with Dr. Stafford coming at Student Government with a stick so many times, so quickly, we’re much more unified in our stance than with others during the year.

3/27/2006 10:26:03 PM

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3/27/2006 10:26:32 PM