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"Do any of you know some quick fat burning exercises that I could try every morning to improve that weight loss when I do start my cardio back up again."

Weight training can increase your metabolism for up to 24 hours and, if done at the right pace, can count as cardio as well. I've had success by doing a few sets of weight training in the morning to get things going before work and additional cardio in the evening after work. I just use pushups, lunges (holding 50lbs of weights), and a couple of excercise ball excercises in the morning so that I don't have to go to the gym.

3/30/2006 1:33:18 PM

well, exercise (whether you want to believe it or not) is invasive (not in the traditional sense of "i'm gonna cut you open"), but in the sense that the forces placed upon someone's body during exercise are transferred to the bone and then to the joints (invasive?)...so, if a person's biomechanics aren't on point, they're setting your themselves up for joint degradation over time...a person who says, "i'm good at doing x (sport/exercise), so i think i'm qualified to teach another individual" is confusing their experience of practicing said sport with learning about the components of said sport...yeah, they can train themselves but can they properly microprogess someone that is 20 lbs. overweight???

and yes, some elite athletes (even triathletes) are totally ignorant of biomechanics, nutrition, physiology, etc....most of the time this occurs when when someone is genetically gifted and another person coaches/trains them and the athlete follows blindly...i'm not saying this is true of Liu, i'm just saying it does happen and not to assume because someone is "good" or looks fit they are geniuses at prescribing exercise...

i'm not here to credit or discredit Liu in any way...he's the one that said i had "money in my eyes" and that "trainers are a waste of money" (not ver batim)...if he had a rationale behind his statements then maybe i could concede to one or both of his points...as of yet, i haven't heard a rationale...

ultimately, the reason i posted was to help this girl lose weight...my suggestion to the woman was that a person can achieve weight loss quicker with a competent trainer (could be me or someone else)...

[Edited on March 30, 2006 at 1:54 PM. Reason : reason 2]

3/30/2006 1:34:45 PM

I'll deconstruct your statements later.

3/30/2006 1:41:04 PM

To answer the original girls post:

Get a heart rate monitor. Run at least 20 minutes every time you run, keep your heart rate in the fat burning zone (the monitor will show you how to calculate this).

Eat better.

Lift weights to supplement the running.

Swim to help your cardiovascular system keep up with the legs for running and to keep your body limber. Or pilates, or yoga, or any other cross training you enjoy.

And expect losing 20 pounds to take you probably 8-12 weeks to do it right.

3/30/2006 1:44:26 PM

I'm pretty sure LiusClues makes those blunt statements because there is like 900 other threads like this and all the same stuff get said.

3/30/2006 2:09:40 PM

i am pretty sure this thread sucks now

3/30/2006 3:39:24 PM

^^^ any idea how much a heart rate monitor costs. My mom has Pilates tapes at home will try to find them and work on them. thanks for the info.

3/30/2006 6:16:21 PM

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"I'm pretty sure LiusClues makes those blunt statements because there is like 900 other threads like this and all the same stuff get said."

pretty much. i didn't mean to insult you devin. i'm just tired of these threads. the people that create them know what to do, they just wanted to see if there was an easy button.

3/30/2006 6:41:07 PM

you can buy those at staples

3/30/2006 7:06:33 PM

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"Pilates"

[Edited on March 30, 2006 at 8:10 PM. Reason : ]

3/30/2006 8:08:45 PM

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"^^^ any idea how much a heart rate monitor costs. My mom has Pilates tapes at home will try to find them and work on them. thanks for the info. "

You can find them at Target (Timex brand) for about $45 bucks, REI sells them for 50-90 (Timex) and Polar brands for 130-300. You can probably get one online for 35-50 bucks. All you need is a cheap timex one, i use a 70 dollar timex and it works fine.

Just keep in mind, 99% of the time, the HR monitor part will have a dead battery out of the box, so youll have to go get a new one (they all use a CR-2032 battery, like 3 bucks at radioshack)

3/30/2006 8:15:35 PM

BIKRAM YOGA . . . . nuff said. i literally lost inches in a matter of 3 sessions in one week. did weightlifting 2 days in between.

3/30/2006 9:20:47 PM

It's pretty easy to lose weight by dehydrating yourself.

3/30/2006 9:29:16 PM

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"You're asking for a quick fix pill, aren't you..."

if so, go to GNC and get those dissolvable 1000mg B-12 pills.

3/30/2006 9:36:36 PM

fishscale, b

3/30/2006 10:02:41 PM

dont lift weights. muscle weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build muscle underneath it.

Google Crossfit and get on that. A buddy of mine got his girl doing it and she went from a size 9 to a size 1, and she's bangin.

eat right, lay off the booze, and fuck a lot (good workout, less your dude sucks...)

3/30/2006 11:17:11 PM

dont take in any calcium. bone weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build bones underneath it.


^ Muscle is good. A pound of muscle burns approximately 35 calories a day just by existing. Add 10 lbs of muscle and you'll burn an extra 2/3 of a pound of fat per week (all things being equal.) Besides, it looks good in the right proportions.

3/31/2006 12:49:22 AM

Yup, muscle is good.

3/31/2006 2:13:46 AM

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"dont take in any calcium. bone weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build bones underneath it. "

3/31/2006 7:45:37 AM

Quote :

"dont lift weights. muscle weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build muscle underneath it. "

and

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"dont take in any calcium. bone weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build bones underneath it. "

WTF are you kidding me with these statements, jesus h christ, i shouldnt even respond to the last one but i am anyway

are you retarded? do you not want to strengthen your bones, i mean yeah you know that is a terrible thing to do on top of other benefits you gain from this

my god i have heard it all

3/31/2006 8:29:18 AM

I'm pretty sure that Skack was being sarcastic. The guy above him appeared to be serious though. He is dumb.

3/31/2006 8:45:24 AM

good thankfully

i thought about that for a minute seeing it was directly after an assinine statement also but wasnt sure

3/31/2006 9:05:01 AM

i just had a couple doughnuts

but i am eating baby carrots too

will they cancel eachother out so i dont gain any weight?

3/31/2006 9:08:06 AM

ahhhhh

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"muscle weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build muscle underneath it. "

a pound of fat = a pound of muscle, a pound of muscle = a pound of fat (weight-wise; assuming we're on this planet where gravity is relatively constant)....now, if you're talking about weight/volume ratio then that's a horse of a different color...all i've read seems to indicate that fat is slightly more dense than muscle, but who the hell cares?!!! beyond the essential fat you need to function daily, the rest has little purpose in today's society (unless you think there is going to be a famine sometime soon)...muscle, on the other hand, can increase your resting metabolic rate throughout the day...in other words, the person with a more developed musculature will have a higher calorie burn while being sendentary than a person w/ less muscle...also, it seems a lot of people think that people with muscle are HUGE...not true, hypertrophy is a goal that many people have, but a lot of it is dependent on genetics and how a person trains their body...

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"bone weighs more than fat and youll not burn fat that way, just build bones underneath it."

god, i hope you were joking!

as long as a person is on this earth and having force applied to their body (be it gravity, a barbell, or some other source), their body will continually be building and replacing bone...they can't stop it or modify this process in any way unless they try to deprive the body of essential nutrients and break down the bone matrix...which is very (sorry, i hate using this word) stupid! bone probably does weigh more per volume than fat...again, who the hell cares? first off, without bone, you'd just be a jelly-filled sack on the sidewalk (it provides our structure)...secondly, bone is a very small part of our total weight, volume, or mass so trying to modify the smallest components of the body (out of muscle, fat, or bone) isn't going to have much impact (weight-wise)....if you're that desperate to lose weight, just donate some damn organs or something even farther along the stupid scale....

3/31/2006 9:29:44 AM

Good lord people...Of course I was joking. I only wish Rudy could say the same.

3/31/2006 9:40:16 AM

yeah im dumb cuz ive been lifting weights for years. People that only weight train trying to LOSE WEIGHT never understand why they dont get that 6 pack or lose weight. You will not burn a signifigant amount of fat just lifting weights, and chicks dont typically want to be built up anyway, so fuck you guys

3/31/2006 6:36:22 PM

pad.

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 7:56 PM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 7:55:47 PM

^Suspend.

3/31/2006 8:01:10 PM

Eat less. Move more.

4/1/2006 4:18:13 AM

its sad that the actual good advice, the right ways you are suppose to eat and excersize is getting drowned by the loads of bizzare crap here.

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"I've had success by doing a few sets of weight training in the morning"

its sad that someone would actually gimp their success by lifting on an empty stomach.

cardio on an empty stomach is controversial, but fuck if ive ever heard one expert say weight
training first thing in the morning was close to sane. there are a million reasons why its not.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 4:38 AM. Reason : -]

4/1/2006 4:33:17 AM

yeah, not a great idea to let your blood sugar drop really fast while you're holding weight......

4/1/2006 4:58:18 AM

there are many many reasons.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 5:12 AM. Reason : -]

4/1/2006 5:11:36 AM

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"its sad that someone would actually gimp their success by lifting on an empty stomach. cardio on an empty stomach is controversial, but fuck if ive ever heard one expert say weight training first thing in the morning was close to sane. there are a million reasons why"

Muscle glycogen, the first fuel recruited when exercise commences, remains intact overnight.

Assuming your workout starts in the morning, you can have a banana or a snack to top off liver glycogen stores, which your body has expended during your night of sleep.

There is nothing controversial about training in the morning. (i.e. Military, Pro Athletes, etc.)

You need to take in fuel and hydrate to sustain prolonged exercise--just like any other time of the day.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 10:22 AM. Reason : .]

4/1/2006 10:06:16 AM

^yep, been PTin with the mil for 5 yrs. All my comments at least refer back to the obviously out of shape chick that started the thread, and she needs to take it easy till she figures out what she's doin... one of the reasons i said no weight training...

my problem with working out in the morning is i can do cardio fine, but i have abosolutely no power to weight train...my body is like naturally lazy

4/1/2006 10:29:37 AM

swim twice a day for at least an hour each time

4/1/2006 6:41:53 PM

That's practical for most people.

4/1/2006 6:52:18 PM

you won't lose any...why ask for advice?

4/1/2006 7:11:47 PM

im suprised this hasnt turned into the "look how cool i am cuz all the shit i do" thread....

4/1/2006 7:21:58 PM

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"There is nothing controversial about training in the morning."

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"its sad that someone would actually gimp their success by lifting on an empty stomach."

we are talking about two different things. when i said FIRST thing in the morning, i meant it.
its fine if youve eaten a small meal and then waited an hour, but then, it wouldnt be the FIRST
thing in the morning.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 7:36 PM. Reason : hngdd]

4/1/2006 7:35:56 PM

^damn son! whos tha babe in your pics?

4/1/2006 7:49:17 PM

CJ

4/1/2006 7:56:23 PM

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"we are talking about two different things. when i said FIRST thing in the morning, i meant it. its fine if youve eaten a small meal and then waited an hour, but then, it wouldnt be the FIRST thing in the morning."

you don't need to eat anything before exercise after you wake up. your muscle glycogen stores are full.

the feeling of hunger when you wake up does not come from low muscle glycogen stores.

and operating on a full stomach is worse than an empty stomach.

[Edited on April 1, 2006 at 8:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/1/2006 7:58:48 PM

tell CJ i said hello

4/1/2006 8:27:27 PM

you dont NEED to, but youll gimp your progress significantly, especially if youre talking about lifting.

4/1/2006 8:43:57 PM

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"its sad that someone would actually gimp their success by lifting on an empty stomach."

It's sad that you incorrectly assume that I would have an empty stomach.

4/2/2006 12:10:26 AM

whatever you say.

4/2/2006 12:28:12 AM

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"you dont NEED to, but youll gimp your progress significantly, especially if youre talking about lifting."

so, to see results, you need to eat before lifting?

if your muscle glycogen stores are FULL, it wouldn't be any different from you digesting a meal earlier.

4/2/2006 12:59:23 AM

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"you dont NEED to, but youll gimp your progress significantly, especially if youre talking about lifting."

anyone can empirically determine the optimum meal size and timimg.

[Edited on April 2, 2006 at 1:12 AM. Reason : -]

4/2/2006 1:09:45 AM

how? when there is no difference?

the best time to eat in relation to performance gains is after not before exercise.

4/2/2006 1:12:46 AM

of course the right food after a workout is essential to recovery, but pre-workout nutrition is essential to optimum performance.





[Edited on April 2, 2006 at 1:17 AM. Reason : -0]

4/2/2006 1:16:15 AM