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"i'm not saying its a bad chair it's just not to my aesthetic standards i'm a lazyboy kinda guy. however, the lower lumbar support as well as the curvature of the seat rest and the angled legs make that chair ridiculously "natural" in the seating of the body. i'm sure its very comfortable, and, were i a doctor or a professional who needed furniture for a waiting area, i'd get them. i'd just never have it in my home. they're just not "warm" enough."

I agree completely on that end. Definitely not something for a contemporary/traditional home.

More for an entryway chair in a modern home, or for a cafe, bookstore, or any other modern styled business really. He actually has a rocking chair variant that I would put out on my porch and sit in all damn day though.

It again warms my heart to see someone able to separate aesthetic appeal from good design.

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 3:27 AM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 3:27:34 AM

I would register and vote multiple times if anyone but Noen had made this thread.

3/31/2006 8:48:07 AM

>.<

3/31/2006 8:56:29 AM

artfags? What because designers tried to design something they thought would be a good product in the market.


Just because these graduate STUDENTS submit something in a design competition doesn't mean is provides them a license to be an elitist asshole. Nor do they want to be recognized that way.

These are projects that they came up with and they submitted it to see if it was good or not. They are not messages that say "HEY FUCKER, I'M BETTER THAN YOU!" or that I "LIKE THE SMELL OF MY OWN FARTS" (nice southpark reference by the way.)


People are making themselves sound elitist by awful assumptions of what the products and desigers are about.


So, IF you want to support two NC STATE STUDENTS who bust their ass, sign up and participate.

If not, thanks you dickwad.


AxlBonBach = good criticism.

3/31/2006 9:18:06 AM

ooo, i like em both. i'll vote!

3/31/2006 9:47:29 AM

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"Just because you don't understand that ergonomics and human factors is a SCIENCE, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Way to make yourself look ignorant there."

I could put you in touch with multiple professors around this university that could explain to you what constitutes a SCIENCE, and then explain to you why ergonomics is a useless redudant term...but ok, call me ignorant

3/31/2006 10:32:26 AM

If it didn't require the effort of registration & my e-mail address & full name and all that I'd vote for em even though I don't find them impressive. Maybe the design is really good, the marketing needs improvement though, b/c most people aren't experts and can't gather quality of design or how much science went into a chair. The only things they have going for them is a potentially impressive design that I can't gather from looking at pictures of them, and can't test out physically, and the fact that they are fellow students which would get my vote if it was easier.

Also what does alto mean in the furniture world? Maybe I’m just spacing out if its something common that I’m not remembering. But In Spanish it means high or tall, in English the only thing I can thing of is a fairly high singing voice, but I see the word alto on something that looks kinda short and stubby.

Maybe go sit a few of these out in the court of the Carolinas or something since it’s a nice day and let people use them instead of laying in the grass, get them to test them telling them about the design, and give out the website. Or find a building without much seating in the hall ways for between class times and set a few of those out there with the website written on them. I can’t really think of many good ways to market a new a chair to the world that doesn’t look impressive without getting people to actually sit down in it and feel how comfortable it is.

3/31/2006 10:50:41 AM

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"could put you in touch with multiple professors around this university that could explain to you what constitutes a SCIENCE, and then explain to you why ergonomics is a useless redudant term...but ok, call me ignorant"

Why don't you go over to the Center for Universal Design (http://www.design.ncsu.edu/cud/) and tell them that Ergonomics is useless and redundant. Or go talk to the Ergonomics lab in the IE department, tell them they are redundant and useless (http://www.ie.ncsu.edu/ergolab/) or maybe the Ergonomics Center (http://www.theergonomicscenter.com/).

I can put you in touch with 30-40 PhD's, Professors, Professionals, and a bevy of other people who will fucking dig your hole and bury you in it.

3/31/2006 11:02:00 AM

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"I would register and vote multiple times if anyone but Noen had made this thread."

Please do anyway, ignore me in this thread, help out some fellow state students!

^^Alto is named in reference to the Finnish furniture designer that the chair's lines are inspired by. Pretty obscure to most people (myself included), but he's apparently pretty legendary to people in the industry.

And thanks for the criticism, it's definitely hard to gauge the usefulness and comfort of a chair from a picture I agree. If and when he begins to sell the line the pieces will definitely be out in a showroom to see, feel and sit in. I think that will have a much bigger impact on people, plus the photo he submitted is not at all the best shots of that chair.

[Edited on March 31, 2006 at 11:09 AM. Reason : .]

3/31/2006 11:02:56 AM

WOOWWW, these chairs are damn hot. Good goin!!!! Very creative!

3/31/2006 11:18:59 AM

alto was also a very influential architect.

3/31/2006 12:01:37 PM

haha lahyde got served.

3/31/2006 12:19:45 PM

ok, if you say so...
but my point was completely missed

I'm not discrediting the fact that Ergonomics is a science so much as I am saying it shouldn't be worth kudo points for saying that an object designed for humans is ergonomic. The word ergonomic on a product for humans seems redundant, not the actual science of ergonomics.

and that's fine that you think that PhDs would want to dig my hole and bury me in it, but I seriously doubt that PhDs are that childish...people criticize work all the time, but real professionals rarely overreact to such criticism...

3/31/2006 12:23:57 PM

JUST BECAUSE AN OBJECT IS MADE FOR HUMAN USE, IT DOES NOT MAKE IT ERGONOMIC

3/31/2006 12:37:17 PM

Not all products designed for humans are inherently ergonomic. Some products are designed without ergonomics brought into question. You'll notice this on the keyboard you are using. Some keyboards split up the keys, which had some ergonomic research, and some are straight forward, which usually don't use ergonomics. This is a broad generalization just because I can't think of anything else.




Also, you are looking at the way the designer used ergonomics in terms of describing his chair. It's not a flashy word such as sleek, slick, ultra-modern, or shit like that. When the designer says its ergonomic, he usually means that he used ergonomic to heavily influence his design direction.

So yes, it should be used for kudos points, because for one, Ergonomics is fucking hard.

3/31/2006 1:37:23 PM

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"Have you ever sat in a well made rocking chair? Or how about a Herman Miller Aeron chair? The Aeron is regarded as one of the most comfortable and ergonomic chairs in the world, and guess what, NO CUSHIONS. It's almost rock hard as far as the surface goes."

I'm sitting in one now, and I don't get what you are saying about rock hard? It's one thing to make the point that it is comfy with no cushions, but please don't inflate your argument by making stuff up about it being "rock hard". It's elastic.

I suppose now your going to tell me the elastic (i guess it's nylon?) is rock hard to the touch? Please.

3/31/2006 1:50:23 PM

the elasticity of the Aeron makes it forgiving. it is definately not similar to the resiliance of a wooden chair.

3/31/2006 2:24:25 PM

^^ not to mention that the aeron chair is adjustable as fuck, while that piece of shit chair on the first page has that painful bump on the back. omf, it's good because he made an effort to have good ergonomics

A's for effort all around, my artfag friends.

3/31/2006 7:39:40 PM