They should have claimed they created a Mech.

4/4/2006 9:39:51 PM

so they have an "underwater missle" that goes 200 miles per hour, a missile that cant be detected by radar and a flying boat that "detects radar"

all three news releases timed over two days. next thing they will have a laser rifle that converts people to Islam. all sounds like bullshit to me.

4/4/2006 9:41:34 PM

It's too bad we use sonar to detect torpedos. Opps. Guess the designers forgot they were working underwater. Woops.

If you are gana claim this shit you gota start small like Kim, and say you got 12 holes in 1 in a single round of golf.

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 9:48 PM. Reason : yup]

4/4/2006 9:46:04 PM

^^ Truth be told, the US navy is working on an underwater missile that creates a pocket of air around it, allowing it to travel beyond the speed of sound while submerged.

Although I really doubt that Iran of all places would beat us to it.

4/4/2006 9:52:32 PM

they didn't, the speed of sound is not 223 mph. It's about 760 mph. And how the fuck is a pocket of air going to help it travel faster, the fucking air has to move through the water too. That's like saying lets put a vacume of space around our planes so they fly faster. Where the hell do you people read this shit.

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 10:02 PM. Reason : space]

4/4/2006 9:59:44 PM

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"they didn't, the speed of sound is not 223 mph. "

Um, I never said that it was.

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"And how the fuck is a pocket of air going to help it travel faster, the fucking air has to move through the water too."

It releases air as it moves.

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"Where the hell do you people read this shit."

It was in a Popular Mechanics piece on the 10 biggest upcoming developments in military technology.

But good job looking like a total jerkoff.

4/4/2006 10:05:46 PM

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"Um, I never said that it was."

You said:

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"Although I really doubt that Iran of all places would beat us to it."

Implying that yes, you do infact think that the speed of sound is 223 mph because that's what they claim the speed it goes at. Which given your statement must mean that for them to beat us to it, that the speed of sound must be ~223 mph or below.

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"It releases air as it moves."

Not enough information.

4/4/2006 10:17:36 PM

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"They should have claimed they created a Mech."

I laughed like hell at that one. But the last thing we need to do is underestimate these crazies. We won't have a pre-empt attack to our advantage on this one.

4/4/2006 10:23:55 PM

^^Actually, it really doesn't. (RE: Your assumption that he assumed that 223mph was the speed of sound.)

Please don't troll.


These Iranian news releases are awesome too. It's like, check out my fucking awesome futuristic weapons. I've got them and they're so much more powerful than yours, but I can't show you them or give you any more details. Oh but I've got them, they're real. Bitch!

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 10:25 PM. Reason : ]

4/4/2006 10:25:04 PM

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"Implying that yes, you do infact think that the speed of sound is 223 mph because that's what they claim the speed it goes at. Which given your statement must mean that for them to beat us to it, that the speed of sound must be ~223 mph or below."

Grab at straws much? Implying that I doubt that Iran would beat us to a high speed underwater missile, regardless of whether or not it is supersonic. Who in the hell would think that 223 mph is the speed of sound?

4/4/2006 10:26:36 PM

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"Sound travels at about 4,347 feet -- close to a mile -- per second in water in 68 degrees Fahrenheit.) "

4/4/2006 10:33:48 PM

Iran doesn't have the money to fix the crap they already have. I seriusly doubt they would be able to really develop any serious technology.


Who cares if we have UN support. The UN is nothing more than a limp dick feel good organization that is dependent on the US for any type of military action. Many times having so many groups involved causes more trouble than good. They can't agree how or when to do anything.

4/4/2006 10:37:16 PM

they agreed just fine in 1992

and in bosnia

and eventually with this bullshit

4/4/2006 10:40:40 PM

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"(RE: Your assumption that he assumed that 223mph was the speed of sound.)"

You are correct. I assumed he was speaking about this article. My mistake. Next time I will assume he is speaking about some OTHER missle that doesn't travel at 223mph in the water, that qualfies as them beating us to a missle that's faster than the speed of sound. My bad.

Yes 30, we know speed of sound changes depending upon the density of the medium. However, Mach 1...etc are all set based on sea level readings of sound speed.

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 10:41 PM. Reason : quote]

4/4/2006 10:40:45 PM

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"Mach 1...etc are all set based on sea level readings of sound speed."

they're also set in the air. and nobody said anything about mach. the words were the speed of sound, and we're talking about underwater.

my point is/was that nobody can get a torpedo of any kind to travel 3600 mph under water anytime soon.

man, you have a hard time with reading comprehension.

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 10:44 PM. Reason : *]

4/4/2006 10:43:13 PM

Nope, I just assumed we were speaking about the general 'speed of sound'. Which is Mach 1. Nobody said, speed of sound : in water.

And since, technically, the missle is in a "Pocket of air", the medium of the missle would be air.

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 10:54 PM. Reason : and]

4/4/2006 10:52:02 PM

A POCKET OF AIR THAT MOVES UNDERWATER

JESUS CHRIST HOW HARD IS THIS? WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A GODDAMN TORPEDO FOR FUCKS SAKE.

WHAT OTHER MEDIUMS DO TORPEDOS GO THROUGH?

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 10:56 PM. Reason : IQ < ROOM TEMPERATURE]

4/4/2006 10:55:44 PM

You make your assumptions and I'll make mine.

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"WHAT OTHER MEDIUMS DO TORPEDOS GO THROUGH?"

Well, there are those ones they drop from planes. Those go through water and air.

And then there are some that hit boats.

Those travel through a medium I like to call steel.

[Edited on April 4, 2006 at 11:01 PM. Reason : and]

4/4/2006 11:00:48 PM

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" it's not like the Iranian people are crying that they're oppressed either."

eh, the iranian public doesn't like their gov't very much...but i don't know that they're patiently waiting for us to invade them.

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" He still can be impeached."

not for doing something unpopular, or even for exercising poor judgement. he could paint the White House orange, have strippers on the front lawn, and deploy all three Marine divisions to the beach in Hawaii. Stupid and unpopular are not the same thing as criminal.

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"so they have an "underwater missle" that goes 200 miles per hour, a missile that cant be detected by radar and a flying boat that "detects radar" all three news releases timed over two days. next thing they will have a laser rifle that converts people to Islam. all sounds like bullshit to me."

that's my take

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"However, Mach 1...etc are all set based on sea level readings of sound speed."

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"they're also set in the air. and nobody said anything about mach. the words were the speed of sound, and we're talking about underwater."

Mach number is simply a ratio. It can be in any medium (although it's typically air), and it isn't defined at standard conditions at sea level.

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"Those travel through a medium I like to call steel."

I don't know this for sure, but I have been told that modern torpedos don't actually penetrate their targets...they blow up underneath, with the damage resulting from the resultant pressure wave (like a depth charge) and the pocket of gas underneath the middle of the ship's hull (which doesn't support the ship, so it buckles in the middle).

4/4/2006 11:49:20 PM

Auww....that's not as cool. Who the hell wants to play sub games when people that miss do better. fucking button mashers how dare they own at sub games and street fighter.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 12:18 AM. Reason : -=]

4/5/2006 12:18:13 AM

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"not for doing something unpopular"

Yeah, if this was the case he would have been impeached a long time ago.

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"modern torpedos don't actually penetrate their targets...they blow up underneath, with the damage resulting from the resultant pressure wave (like a depth charge) and the pocket of gas underneath the middle of the ship's hull (which doesn't support the ship, so it buckles in the middle)."

The shock wave gets it's damaging power from the water around it. Since water cannot be compressed the torpedo that goes off near the bottom and especially if it's directly underneath the hull will make the weight of the ship bear down on the force of that blast, causing more damage. Thats how they crippled the Tirpitz in WW2, but since that beast of german engineering was docked they were able to get in and repair it before it sank.

The RAF finally sunk the Tirpitz after they invented a new bomb called the Tallboy purposely designed to sink it. The bombers had to fly up to 3 miles high and had to get direct hits when the ship was just a darkened sliver in the water to their eyes. This made the bombs break the speed of sound (in air) and totally decimate the ship's armored decks. They made 3 direct hits with the 12 thousand pound bombs. (Talk about fucking something up )

I love stuff like this when it comes on the History Channel.


[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 12:31 AM. Reason : .]

4/5/2006 12:25:43 AM

i find it very, very, very hard to believe that any free falling object surpassed the speed of sound...and bombers regularly flew well over 3 miles high in WWII.

4/5/2006 1:01:05 AM

Well, see as soon as they hit the water, they were traveling faster than the speed of sound, in water.

/sarcasim

4/5/2006 1:06:28 AM

It is hard to believe, but my eyes and ears were correctly tuned into that program and thats what I heard.

They made the Tallboy streamline as hell and with all 12 thousand pounds of it it was dispatched from a plane and did not wobble at any time on the way down. They showed it. It was like a straight line down. I am not exaggerating, just simply repeating what the program "The sinking of the Tirpitz" aired on the History Channel.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 1:35 AM. Reason : SOMEBODY BELIEEEEVVVE MEEE!!]

4/5/2006 1:33:42 AM

But I guess you never can tell if those old geisers aren't exaggerating either.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 1:38 AM. Reason : .]

4/5/2006 1:37:57 AM

d=(1/2)(g)(t^2)

g=32.2 ft/s^2
d=15,500 ft (approx 3 miles)

solve for t=31 sec

v=gt

g=32.2 ft/sec^2
t=31 sec

v=999 ft/sec=681 mph

according to onlineconversion.com, that's 0.894 Ma (which I assume they are calculating at sea level on a standard day, which I believe is 59 degrees F and 29.92 in Hg)

at any rate, from 3 miles, it wouldn't even surpass the speed of sound in a VACUUM, much less when accounting for air resistance.
v=

4/5/2006 2:12:20 AM

Well you gotta also include that the bomb isn't being dropped from a still object. The bombers enertia, or throwing arm, would alter those numbers as well. I'm not a mathmatician but it seems like air resistance would be minimalized too because they were almost in the artic circle, scandinavia, when they did this.

4/5/2006 2:22:52 AM

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"state supporter of terrorism - check have actively been involved in terrorism - check striving to aqcuire weapons of mass distruction - check have stated their willingness to use them - check i could continue, but that's enough"

I am in no way saying that Iran is a great country, but they literally think the same thing about us, except that we already have WMDs, and we have used them. Really, apart from probably the Sudanese gov., the US has probably killed more people in the past 8 years than any other country. The Iranians have a lot more to be afraid of than we do.

The only way a war in Iran would be more acceptable than the war in Iraq was would be that the reasons would be a little more legitimate. As far as overall world safety, there are better targets for now.

The Iranians (and most of the arab world, it seems) are very proud people, and I can't see them too easily accepting the non-proliferation nuclear stuff. If they are going to be using nuclear for energy, they're going to pursue nuclear weapons (which is an understandable position... besides giving them protection from other world powers, they will surely boost their overall scientific knowledge in the process). If containment is what will instigate them, then perhaps another method should be used.

4/5/2006 2:26:09 AM

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"Well you gotta also include that the bomb isn't being dropped from a still object. The bombers enertia, or throwing arm, would alter those numbers as well. I'm not a mathmatician but it seems like air resistance would be minimalized too because they were almost in the artic circle, scandinavia, when they did this."

None of that would make any difference.

4/5/2006 2:29:14 AM

^ if you say so, I really cant vouch for the people that created the show other than giving you their words. Like I said, "I'm not a mathmatician"


On the subject of Iran, I dont think they have the balls to attack us or Isreal.
Besides all the needless death a war with them is gonna bring, I think the following projections are true:

When we engage Iran, quess who's gonna be getting their kicks out of this? Bin Laden.
Who's gonna benefit the most? Terrorist.
What's gonna happen afterward? U.S. fighting on two fronts indefinitely.
How's it gonna effect our troops? More coffins streaming in.

Hypothetically speaking of course.

[Edited on April 5, 2006 at 2:38 AM. Reason : /]

4/5/2006 2:37:38 AM

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"The Iranians (and most of the arab world, it seems)"

I hope that I am misreading this but it would be a significant error to call Iranians arab, they are not.

4/5/2006 8:54:00 AM

Do people actually believe Iran is building nukes to use them? Iran having a nuke is like Pakistan having a nuke -- it's so that countries can't threaten it so easily.

4/5/2006 9:02:33 AM

yes, and that's also almost as dangerous a situation as them using one.

if we (the civilized world) can't threaten them, they can start doing all kinds of crazy-ass meddling

4/5/2006 9:11:45 AM

yeah it's exactly like pakistan having nukes

that's the problem

[sarcasm]see how stable that government is, and how their country isn't overrun with terroristic islamo-fascist religious nutbags that could possibly get their hands on them when the next coup attempt works

only with iran, it's terroristic islamo-fascists that aren't already in power.[/sarcasm]

4/5/2006 9:13:23 AM

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"v=999 ft/sec=681 mph"

air resistance slows things down considerably

i seem to remember doing a calculation once where the terminal velocity for a reasonable body was around 120 mph

4/5/2006 9:51:03 AM

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"I hope that I am misreading this but it would be a significant error to call Iranians arab, they are not."

right...Persian (for the most part, anyway)


^yeah, but that's a tougher calculation that I didn't want to do unless I had to.

4/5/2006 11:45:13 AM

I've got it! The US needs to create an Advanced Pressurized-Bubble System Mech Suit around a Sky-Diving Navy Seal, so he or she (G.I. Jane) can surpass their normal terminal velocity of around 120 mph (See 'Torpedo' for Bubble System Technologies FAQ). THEN the Navy Seal can fall to the earth at alarming speeds, allowing the Navy Seal to remain undetected by Advanced Iranian Flying Boat Radar Systems. THEN after the Navy Seal lands safety in the ocean with the help of his regular old parachute...(what?)... HE will strap himself to a Air Pocket-Bubble System Torpedo, and shoot himself at targets while reaching and surpassing the speed of sound (223 mph). The only downside to the idea is that you lose a Navy Seal with each attempt (Why exactly...?) AND that the speed of sound for most adult humpback whales is much faster than 223 mph (See 'Humpback Hyperdrive' for the data on Underwater Bubble System Technologies, or buy yourself a copy of 'The Sonar Sound Barrier and Me' by Moby Dick).

What Iran should really be worried about...

Soon... we will have nukes that launch from mech whale blowholes... It is not a question of if it's going to happen, but when.

4/5/2006 12:58:03 PM

they need to figure a way to make those Navy attack dolphins supersonic...

4/5/2006 12:59:46 PM

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"at any rate, from 3 miles, it wouldn't even surpass the speed of sound in a VACUUM, much less when accounting for air resistance"

So what exactly is the speed of sound in a vacuum?

4/5/2006 2:21:02 PM

haha, busted. terrible verbage on my part...but you know what I meant.

4/5/2006 5:11:39 PM

I was just watching a clip on msnbc about one of our unmanned drone's shooting Hell Fire missles on insurgents planting IED's. Im wondering if anyone has a pic(G.I or something similar) of what one of these things we use look like?

And what launch capabilities do they have?

In related news:

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"Iran already has medium-range Shahab-3 missiles capable of firing 2,000 kilometers, posing a potential threat to Israel and U.S. bases across the Middle East."

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"The UN Security Council last week unanimously approved a non-binding statement giving Iran 30 days to abandon sensitive uranium enrichment activities."

Looks like we're getting closer!!!

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"Iran...warns West not to 'play with fire'"

I thought that was funny. Deterrence must be a thing of the past nowadays!!!

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=23486



[Edited on April 8, 2006 at 6:48 AM. Reason : x]

4/8/2006 6:36:56 AM