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4/29/2006 6:02:05 PM

for the love of god somebody please stream Not An Addict by K's Choice.



please?

4/29/2006 10:55:28 PM

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"He's not an addict like you claim."

You act like you fucking know the guy.

Btw, oxycodone is serious shit at the right dosages. Stop defending some worthless hypocritical fuck. He just fucking babbles while intoxicated on medical grade opioids and you actually think he's some sort of genius.

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"Do you people really equate an addiction to a painkiller like morphine or oxycontin to be on the same level as herion, PCP, cocaine, etc?"

NO I would not compare it to PCP (A dissociative hallucinogen) or cocaine (A stimulant).

YES I would compare it directly to heroin. Heroin (Diacetylmorphine) is made from morphine, and oxycodone is a morphine derivative. The intoxication produced by both chemicals is likely to be very similar. Being addicted to oxycodone isn't too far off from being addicted to heroin, it's just a bit less filthy because you aren't using street drugs of unknown quality. Basically he's a rich addict.

I'll leave you with this:

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"Civil War physicians frequently dispensed opiates. In 1866 the Secretary of War stated that during the war the Union Army was issued 10 million opium pills, over 2,840,000 ounces of other opiate preparations (such as laudanum or paregoric), and almost 30,000 ounces of morphine sulphate. The inevitable result was opium addiction, called the 'army disease' or the 'soldier's disease.' These opium and morphine addiction problems prompted a scientific search for potent but nonaddictive painkillers. In the 1870s, chemists synthesized a supposedly non-addictive, substitute for morphine by acetylating morphine. In 1898 the Bayer pharmaceutical company of Germany was the first to make available this new drug, 3,6-diacetylmorphine, in large quantities under the trademarked brand name Heroin."

[Edited on April 30, 2006 at 12:35 AM. Reason : ]

4/30/2006 12:23:28 AM

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"Do you people really equate an addiction to a painkiller like morphine or oxycontin to be on the same level as herion"

chemically, morphine/oxycontin are virtually the same. they have near identical effects on your brain.






[Edited on April 30, 2006 at 12:53 AM. Reason : 09]

4/30/2006 12:50:48 AM

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"i got addicted to narcotics after surgery it kind sucked getting off of them but its not impossible and you're really blind if you cant see the hypocrisy of statements like that"

What is hypocritical about having sympathy for somebody who, by no fault of their own, becames addicted to powerful pain killers that they had to take in order to cope with the pain of surgery or an illness?

You cannot paint this issue with the broad kneejerked stroke. I know you people hate Rush Limbaugh because he's not a lock stepped leftist but I would have an equal amount of sympathy and understanding for, say, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry if they went through a similar ordeal.

The real hypocrisy here are those whose views are supposedly based on tolerance and compassion show absolutely none when it's needed for somebody who doesn't think, walk, or act like they do.

4/30/2006 1:02:17 PM

because the man has said himself that drug addicts need to be sent away for a long time, he's made it clear that he thinks everyones problems (be it addiction or poverty) are a result of their choices

thus

hypocrite

4/30/2006 1:27:21 PM

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"What is hypocritical about having sympathy for somebody who, by no fault of their own, becames addicted to powerful pain killers that they had to take in order to cope with the pain of surgery or an illness?"

Do you think all drug addicts get that way "by no fault of their own"?

4/30/2006 1:58:44 PM

getting addicted because you abused a prescription is on par with getting addicted because a hustler got you hooked

4/30/2006 2:00:55 PM

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"Wlfpk4Life: What is hypocritical about having sympathy for somebody who, by no fault of their own, becames addicted to powerful pain killers that they had to take in order to cope with the pain of surgery or an illness?"

JonHGuth responded best: getting addicted because you abused a prescription is on par with getting addicted because a hustler got you hooked.

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"Wlfpk4Life: You cannot paint this issue with the broad kneejerked stroke."

Tell that to Rush, dumbass.

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"Wlfpk4Life: I know you people hate Rush Limbaugh because he's not a lock stepped leftist but I would have an equal amount of sympathy and understanding for, say, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry if they went through a similar ordeal."

My dislike for Rush is rooted in much more than politics. Don't be a fool.

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"Wlfpk4Life: The real hypocrisy here are those whose views are supposedly based on tolerance and compassion show absolutely none when it's needed for somebody who doesn't think, walk, or act like they do."

So you're saying that the left espouses views that are based on tolerance and compassion? That's quite an admission there. Are you sure you don't want to rethink that?

And, no, WlfPk4Life, that is not where the real hypocrisy is. The real hypocrisy is right here:

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1159

This is too classic for me to ignore.

4/30/2006 2:44:17 PM

its not his fault he didnt have the will-power to stop using the drugs

4/30/2006 2:48:39 PM

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"What is hypocritical about having sympathy for somebody who, by no fault of their own, becames addicted to powerful pain killers that they had to take in order to cope with the pain of surgery or an illness?"

I'm not going to be sympathetic to someone who wants other drug addicts to serve hard time, but feels that the same laws shouldn't apply to him. If he really feels the way he claims to, he should throw himself in jail for using illegal drugs. Yes, oxycodone is ILLEGAL without proper prescriptions. I realize he had a legitimate reason initially, but doctors do not keep patients on opiates long term unless they have severe issues.

So yes, if he was addicted to it to any real degree he was certainly getting more than he was supposed to (I don't care how he did it, I'd say it's 99% certain it was illegal). Knowingly abusing and/or illegally purchasing a prescription drug is a criminal offense (A felony in fact, worse than just posessing a small quantity of marijuana). And yeah, if his doctor friend just writes him scrips when he asks (Which is probably what was/is going on), that's illegal as hell.

You or I would get in a LOT of trouble if we were caught with a pocket filled with oxy. And he would apparently want it that way, so fuck him.

Oh, I forgot, I'm "liberal" so I have to be sympathetic to this shit talking, hypocritical, opioid filled piece of shit. He is way worse than poor people that get sucked into a life of crime (The people he wants to see thrown in jail). He fucking consciously made the choice as an adult who supposedly stood STRONGLY against drug abuse to start abusing drugs. Serious drugs, not just marijuana or some shit. He should fucking be beaten to death with high velocity oxycodone pills for continuing to think he has a shred of credibility.

He is all talk, nothing more.

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"There's a whole bunch of leftwingers who will be joining Rush if you people had your way and he was sent to jail for drug use."

I do not believe people should be put in jail for using drugs. I think that's absurd honestly. But when somebody says they believe people should go to jail for it, and then they go and do it themselves, I think they need to go to fucking jail. I bet he would have no problem (And would actually support) sending me off to jail for the rest of my fucking life if I did this shit, and yet he doesn't think the same should happen to him. He should go to jail just for that reason. Once again, fuck him.



^^ HAHAHAHA

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"I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."..."

YEAH I FEEL REALLY SORRY FOR THIS GUY. BY HIS OWN ADMISSION HE MADE A PERSONAL CHOICE EACH AND EVERY TIME HE WENT BACK.

[Edited on April 30, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ]

4/30/2006 3:03:47 PM

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"Wlfpk4Life All American 3593 Posts user info edit post Bill Clinton's brother said that his nose is just like a vacuum whenever cocaine is in the room. Maybe he and Rush can share a cell. Rush hasn't been convicted of anything. There's a whole bunch of leftwingers who will be joining Rush if you people had your way and he was sent to jail for drug use. 4/29/2006 12:46:28 AM Josh8315 All American 22215 Posts user info edit post Bill Clinton raped your sister. 4/29/2006 12:47:05 AM Wlfpk4Life All American 3593 Posts user info edit post Wow, compassionate liberalism at its finest there, folks. 4/29/2006 12:54:05 AM "

So homeboy here goes jokes about libs going to jail (i assume hes joking), then josh#s makes a joke, and then he uses "compassionate liberalism" as a comeback...

compassionate conservatism at its finest, i suppose

or do you admit that you're being a hypocritical ass?

[Edited on April 30, 2006 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2006 3:14:49 PM

why does wlfpk4life suppost drug addicts?

4/30/2006 3:32:17 PM

soft on crime.

4/30/2006 3:32:52 PM

what a liberal

4/30/2006 3:38:37 PM

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"by no fault of their own"

I guess everyone that's ever been had an ear infection is a drug addict then, right?

Please, people have been in many times more pain than him and not become a dope fiend.

4/30/2006 3:50:13 PM

all drug addicts were just in pain at one point. its not their fault they got addicted

4/30/2006 4:12:57 PM

personal responsibility only applies to people who aren't gop mouthpieces.

5/2/2006 10:20:58 AM

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"JonHGuth responded best: getting addicted because you abused a prescription is on par with getting addicted because a hustler got you hooked."

BridgetSPK: That's utter crap. The only reason it's on par is because it involves Rush Limbaugh. Otherwise, somebody who becomes addicted to a painkiller is not on par with a drug addict that chose to do their drug of choice, for whatever reason to do their drugs.

And if you cannot see the dinstinction between someone who becomes hooked to a painkiller as a result of real pain/surgery and one who gets hooked to an illegal drug b/c they just wanted to experience the high, or wanted to be a part of the group, or couldn't deal with their lives, then you are a bigger retard than I originally assumed.

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"My dislike for Rush is rooted in much more than politics. Don't be a fool."

Somehow I seriously doubt that.

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"So you're saying that the left espouses views that are based on tolerance and compassion? That's quite an admission there. Are you sure you don't want to rethink that? "

Actually I think liberals, especially the ones found on here, are nothing more than a group of selfish, spoiled children who are extremely intolerant of anything that doesn't fit their warped sense of reality. They are bitter, spiteful, jealous, and totally devoid of empathy.

Liberals claim to be tolerant. Liberals claim to be compassionate, which is why I have to point out the hypocrisy that litters this particular thread.

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"He should fucking be beaten to death with high velocity oxycodone pills for continuing to think he has a shred of credibility."

SaabTurbo: Oh ye without sin, cast the 1st stone. Rush made a mistake. I am sympathetic for him, just like I would be if this thing happened to a Democrat. I realize that Republicans are held to a higher ethical standard, and that's fine because that is a reflection of the type of person a typical Republican is, but still, he made a mistake, life will go on, and he'll learn from it.

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"So homeboy here goes jokes about libs going to jail (i assume hes joking), then josh#s makes a joke, and then he uses "compassionate liberalism" as a comeback..."

I'm glad that PinkandBlack thinks that rape is a joke. Where were you the night of the Duke lax party?

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"why does wlfpk4life suppost drug addicts?"

dentaldamn: Where have I supported any addict or their lifestyle? I said I am sympathetic and it should go without saying that I hope anybody who is trapped in that situation will get the help they need to beat their dependency.

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"I guess everyone that's ever been had an ear infection is a drug addict then, right?"

Kris: Rush didn't get hooked from an ear infection. Instead of making shit up, google it and find out for yourself.

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"all drug addicts were just in pain at one point. its not their fault they got addicted"

Keep making shit up, dentaldamn. There are addictions that are totally voluntary. Others not so much.

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"personal responsibility only applies to people who aren't gop mouthpieces."

Rush is clean. He's on probation. He paid the fine. Sounds like he's taking personal responsibility to me.



[Edited on May 2, 2006 at 9:04 PM. Reason : ]

5/2/2006 8:39:29 PM

Quote :

"Otherwise, somebody who becomes addicted to a painkiller is not on par with a drug addict that chose to do their drug of choice, for whatever reason to do their drugs. And if you cannot see the dinstinction between someone who becomes hooked to a painkiller as a result of real pain/surgery and one who gets hooked to an illegal drug b/c they just wanted to experience the high,"

rush chose to abuse his precription. He actively went out to find more doctors and he did it because he wanted to experience the high.

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"Liberals claim to be tolerant. Liberals claaim to be compassionate, which is why I have to point out the hypocrisy that litters this particular thread."

pointing out hypocricy doesnt make someone a hypocrite

5/2/2006 8:50:39 PM

Quote :

"rush chose to abuse his precription. He actively went out to find more doctors and he did it because he wanted to experience the high. "

Says who? He was found innocent of doctor shopping.

5/2/2006 8:52:08 PM

no, 2000 pills in a month is abuse

5/2/2006 8:54:47 PM

I agree, his addiction had clearly gotten the best of him. Thank goodness he was able to get the help he needed, am I right?

5/2/2006 9:03:00 PM

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"SaabTurbo: Oh ye without sin, cast the 1st stone."

That statement does not apply to me because I'm not "without sin."

I just have a huge problem with him talking about the fact that addicts need to go to jail, and then becoming one.

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" am sympathetic for him, just like I would be if this thing happened to a Democrat."

Why do you keep bringing politics into this? I would have a problem with anyone who said what he said and then did what he did, regardless of political background or whatever.

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"I realize that Republicans are held to a higher ethical standard, and that's fine because that is a reflection of the type of person a typical Republican is, but still, he made a mistake, life will go on, and he'll learn from it."

I am not holding him to a higher ethical standard. I have a problem with the fact that he abuses drugs after claiming to be so high and mighty. He wanted harsh punishment for drug users and then became one. That is what I have a problem with, not him being republican.

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"There are addictions that are totally voluntary. Others not so much."

Um, did you not see my previous post?

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"Says who? He was found innocent of doctor shopping."

Ok.... So what does this prove exactly? That he went to a dealer? That his regular physician prescribed all of them to him? I don't see how this makes it any better...

5/2/2006 10:06:30 PM

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"BridgetSPK: That's utter crap. The only reason it's on par is because it involves Rush Limbaugh. Otherwise, somebody who becomes addicted to a painkiller is not on par with a drug addict that chose to do their drug of choice, for whatever reason to do their drugs. And if you cannot see the dinstinction between someone who becomes hooked to a painkiller as a result of real pain/surgery and one who gets hooked to an illegal drug b/c they just wanted to experience the high, or wanted to be a part of the group, or couldn't deal with their lives, then you are a bigger retard than I originally assumed. "

Blah, blah, blah... An addict is an addict is an addict. And according to Rush, they should all be in jail.

5/2/2006 10:24:25 PM

this thread rocks my world

5/3/2006 4:15:37 PM

PFFFT

rehab

you don't get off that shit the first time

errbody knew he was back on the oxy's within 15 minutes of getting out

5/3/2006 4:21:02 PM

all limbaugh cares about is money, everybody knows he isnt pursuing the true conservative cause anymore

5/3/2006 11:23:36 PM

Yeah, so I've got three books going right now:

1. Freakonomics--I'm about a year late on this shit, but people are still talking about it, and I do own it, so I figured I would read it.

By the way, I got scammed. I bought some movies from Best Buy online, and at the end of the deal, one of those third person magazine subscribers offered me a great deal on some trial magazines and claimed they would send me cancellation cards. Well, they didn't. I finally got their number through Interview magazine. I called to cancel my four subscriptions; it was an automated system, by the way. The entire time, the system had no problem understanding the distinction between my YES and my NO. But at the fucking end of it, they came out with this special offer, and I said NO. And then the fricking voice comes back on and says, "Great, we hope you'll enjoy your subscription to Food/Wine and Time magazine." And I'm like, "I SAID NO! I SAID NO!" I cried. Anyway, I'm in the process of getting those extra subscriptions cancelled; so it looks like I'll finally have time to read my pop politics books.

2. The Fox in the Henhouse: How Privatization Threatens Democracy--I started reading this a long time ago, and I thought it would be good, but it sucks so far. I made the mistake of reading the foreword, preface, and introduction, where they just keep repeating the same points over and over again. I want to tell this book, "Hey, man, I buy your premise. I'm sold. Now get to the good stuff!"

3. The Truth (with jokes)--I do not know what to think of this book. What is up with Al Franken's delusions of grandeur? He keeps talking about how the "country needs us" when he's referring to himself and his staff. Is he joking or being sarcasic or something? Does the country really need Al Franken? His book makes it appear that he feels, with the exception of himself and several colleagues, the liberal "movement" has been abandoned. Is he right? Also, I'm starting to get a little nervous that this book isn't going to be funny at all because the shit going down these past few years, well, just isn't funny. Anyway, I wrote all this so I could post a quote from the back of this book...

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"Moral Values From what I understand, if you cut out all the passages in the Bible where Jesus talks about the poor, about helping out the least among us, you'd have the perfect container to smuggle Rush Limabaugh's drugs in."

And, oh yeah, I LOVE POP POLITICS!

5/4/2006 3:42:38 AM

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"I realize that Republicans are held to a higher ethical standard, and that's fine because that is a reflection of the type of person a typical Republican is"

self-righteous people who seek to impose on people moral codes that even republicans seem unable to follow?

5/4/2006 10:54:20 AM

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"You cannot paint this issue with the broad kneejerked stroke. I know you people hate Rush Limbaugh because he's not a lock stepped leftist but I would have an equal amount of sympathy and understanding for, say, Ted Kennedy or John Kerry if they went through a similar ordeal. "

this is all the same bullshit banter about the same pack of goons

but if you want me to play your game
how dare you compare a radio "journalist" drug-addict hack to elder statesmen

not the same playing field

5/7/2006 1:55:55 AM

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"self-righteous people who seek to impose on people moral codes that even republicans seem unable to follow?"

[Edited on May 7, 2006 at 4:06 AM. Reason : says it all ]

5/7/2006 4:05:51 AM

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"how dare you compare a radio "journalist" drug-addict hack to elder statesmen not the same playing field"

You're right, when Rush kills a woman or is put into Vietnam's War Hall of Fame for protesting against his own country then he'll be on Kennedy's or Kerry's level.

5/7/2006 8:18:14 AM

how dare someone protest his own country

5/7/2006 9:15:25 AM

This dude is retarded...

5/7/2006 9:45:41 AM

but its nice to know that i can abuse narcotics and right wingers wont look down on me.

5/7/2006 10:38:59 AM

Protesting is one thing, meeting and working with enemies of this country is another. That's why Kerry is heralded as a hero in Vietnam.

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"but its nice to know that i can abuse narcotics and right wingers wont look down on me. "

Definitely worthy of sympathy and pity, but I wouldn't look down on you. I'm not a liberal

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""self-righteous people who seek to impose on people moral codes that even republicans seem unable to follow?""

So denouncing a deadly vice makes one self-righteous? This might shock you, but Republicans are normal people too. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to have higher ethical standards and aspirations even if we do stumble at times.

5/7/2006 2:24:50 PM

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"Wlfpk4Life: Definitely worthy of sympathy and pity, but I wouldn't look down on you. I'm not a liberal"

Rush Limbaugh is the one who lacks sympathy and pity for people who get addicted to narcotics. He says he wants them all locked up. He's the one who looks down on addicts. He's a Republican. He's a conservative.

Maybe you thought JonHGuth was referring to prescription medication when he used the word "narcotics", and that's why you wouldn't look down on him. But all your other posts in this thread lead me to believe that if JonHGuth got hooked on heroin (a narcotic), you would most definitely look down on him and want him locked up.

[Edited on May 7, 2006 at 2:38 PM. Reason : sss]

5/7/2006 2:36:40 PM

oh and i just noticed that gem where you claimed he was found innocent.

he was processed and had to pay 30 grand

i cant believe this tool is a lawyer

5/7/2006 3:44:39 PM

Wlfpck4Life, Mr. Devout, throwing out judgements left and right on everything and everyone.

What else is new?

[Edited on May 7, 2006 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

5/7/2006 5:34:41 PM

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"i cant believe this tool is a lawyer"

you've confused douchebags

the "Popecocksmoke Superjudge Wannabe" is wolfpack2k
this is "Runofthemill Party Appologist Blowhard", wolfpack4life

5/7/2006 6:50:05 PM

4life mentioned in another thread that he felt sorry for the hedonistic europeans who had completely lost sight of their religious past. im assuming from that he thinks he's some kind of religious type who feels its his duty to scream about people he deems "immoral".

hes also the one that closely resembles THEBIGL in his posts. he's trolling liberals. unless he's seriously so dumb that he believes everything he says about them.

[Edited on May 7, 2006 at 7:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/7/2006 7:02:16 PM

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"Says who? He was found innocent of doctor shopping."

Quote :

"no, 2000 pills in a month is abuse"

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"I agree, his addiction had clearly gotten the best of him."

It's like 4life:he wasn't doctor shopping
packattack:yes he was
4life:i agree with you

WHAT?

5/7/2006 7:38:05 PM

basically what he is trying to say is that when rich white guys get addicted to something it isnt by choice

5/7/2006 9:48:45 PM

its gods way of saying you have too much money.

5/7/2006 10:14:56 PM

God's way of saying Rush is a colossal joke.

5/8/2006 9:29:45 AM

4life: LIBERALS LIBERALS BLAH BLAH BLAH, CLEVER RETORT TO PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE WITH ME THAT REALLY ISNT CLEVER AT ALL

and something about Europe and being a moral guy

god, this place is a joke

[Edited on May 8, 2006 at 10:25 AM. Reason : .]

5/8/2006 10:21:39 AM

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"That doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to have higher ethical standards and aspirations even"

elitist

5/8/2006 10:27:36 AM

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"Sources have confirmed to WFOR-TV in Miami that conservative talk show host has been detained at Palm Beach International Airport for the possible possession of illegal prescription drugs. Limbaugh was returning on a flight from the Dominican Republic when they found the drugs, among them Viagra."

http://kdka.com/topstories/topstories_story_177203957.html

6/27/2006 12:12:02 AM

Haha, now I don't like the guy, but did they really have to mention the part about Viagra? Now we all know that when he gets a hard on about the GOP, he has to take the little blue pill to assist him.

6/27/2006 1:12:43 AM