and your opinion obviously speaks for all the fast food market. all other cookouts are closing as we speak.

6/23/2006 10:48:16 AM

melvin's ??

you're serious

it sucks balls. cook-out does not suck balls. the spicy chicken tray (fries, corndog, huge tea) is unbeatable. and ranking in at $4.31 tax included, by far the most affordable price-to-weight deal in all of raleigh. the greatest deal a college student can get.

also, staying open until 4am on weekends does not hurt either. cook-out would kill on hillsborough if used correctly.

that melvin's shit isn't even real

[Edited on June 23, 2006 at 11:03 AM. Reason : and don't try to argue "night-life" Ø]

6/23/2006 11:02:36 AM

aha i like melvins and i eat there all the time, but it's simply a concession stand with a building around it

6/23/2006 11:07:55 AM

Melvin's hamburger deal at 2.99 is killer. Sure, a tray gives you more, but it also costs more.

Throngs of underclassmen swarming cookout at lunch on hillsborough? I gaurantee in those conditions you would rarely eat there.

6/23/2006 11:08:49 AM

haha

whatabout a hillsborough street bojangles at lunchtime

6/23/2006 11:14:21 AM

why did the mcdonalds move out?

6/23/2006 11:18:31 AM

High rent, no customers?

6/23/2006 11:28:34 AM

Quote :

"they've been talking about this since 1987 yawn"

Ah, but we had Tom Fetzer in the 1990s, who was basically useless. And we have Meeker now, who is actually getting a lot of stuff done.

6/23/2006 12:13:15 PM

they basically need to just get cars the out of hillsborough street. the traffic is constant and at times you really have to wait to cross the street. granted, franklin street also has traffic and is difficult to cross but both sides of the street have shops throughout. hillsborough is definitely not pedestrian-oriented and without pedestrians there is not a lot of promise when it comes to opening up shops/cafes.

the main problem is that there is nowhere to feed traffic. the streets behind hillsborough are definitely not capable of handling the flow and NCSU's side is already clusterfucked 75% of the time. I am looking forward to seeing how they handle this.

6/23/2006 12:18:20 PM

Holy shit - look VERY closely at Ernie's picture on page one - that sign says "Schlitz on draught"!!!

6/23/2006 12:38:47 PM

too bad i'll be long gone when this is done

for my senior year, the hillsborough hike is gonna be in the middle of a ton of construction

6/23/2006 1:04:13 PM

they should put a sonic on hillsborough

6/23/2006 1:31:13 PM

^^^ yeah, right next to the piggly wiggly

6/23/2006 6:42:39 PM

Quote :

"the difference is, glenwood south has lots of bars and draws its own crowd. no one who owns property on or near hillsborough will allow new bars to be built, and are trying to get the current ones removed. that limits profitability greatly."

so is there any truth to the rumor that there is some law that no new bars can open on Hillsborough St.? if true then that has to be one of the stupidest laws ever.

6/23/2006 8:26:09 PM

there are like 16 establishments within 2 damn miles on hillsborough street with liquor licenses. The LAST thing the area needs is another fucking bar or restaurant.

6/24/2006 1:23:31 AM

no liquor, no pizza, no coffee shop

but what else is there??

6/24/2006 1:49:16 AM

i'll tell you what it needs less of

shitty ass sidewalks, sidewalks with no trees, ghetto ass bums

ps- i like these old timey photos people post, i'm curious if there is a decade by decade group of photos, so you can see how it changed over time

[Edited on June 24, 2006 at 1:51 AM. Reason : ^woah you hadnt posted in here before i clicked]

6/24/2006 1:50:49 AM

i think the getting rid of the ghetto ass bums is one of the biggest things. i'd like to see Hillsborough St. as a major area for the upperclassmen and younger alum in the area to hang out on the weekend.

6/24/2006 2:34:43 AM

Just some renovation would be nice.

6/24/2006 10:09:37 AM

Quote :

"Throngs of underclassmen swarming cookout at lunch on hillsborough?"

Not necessarily. When I was a freshman/sophomore living on campus I rarely went off campus for lunch due to my meal plan. I usually just went to Talley or the Atrium. The same went for just about all of my friends. I think primarily juniors, seniors, and grad students go to Hillsborough St. for lunch.

6/24/2006 10:37:51 AM

^ditto.

6/24/2006 4:04:51 PM

i'm tired of this same old same old thread

does anyone have any recent links to artist's conceptions or cgi of any of these "plans"

6/24/2006 4:28:54 PM

^^having fast food on campus is killing hillsborough st.

and no, i'm not kidding. it's unfair competition, when a kid can use board bucks a half a mile away from hillsborough st.

6/24/2006 4:29:57 PM

Quote :

"it sucks balls. cook-out does not suck balls. the spicy chicken tray (fries, corndog, huge tea) is unbeatable. and ranking in at $4.31 tax included, by far the most affordable price-to-weight deal in all of raleigh. the greatest deal a college student can get."

Hardees would like a word with you. 1/3 lb cheeseburger, "small" fries, "small" drink (with free refills, mind you) for $2.80.

6/24/2006 4:40:32 PM

i just meant that i agreed with his statement that underclassmen are not normally found on hillsborough st. b/c they have board bucks.

6/24/2006 4:41:01 PM

i didn't see any pedestrian bridges......definitely crosswalks involved. there were roundabouts and discussion of dropping the speed limit to 25. they wish to have the wolfline back completely on Hillsborough pulling to the side of the street at designated spots. basically eliminating the road in front of the library and having the stops directly on Hillsborough. i think thats a really bad idea and i explained that to the guy from Kimley and Horn. hopefully things will turn out. they are praying to get money for this really soon.

6/25/2006 10:43:02 PM

kimley horn (i assume) is doing the design-build on this? or are they just a consultant? i know they're in tight with state, but i figured since it's a NC road they'd have the DOT do it.

6/25/2006 10:48:07 PM

^^why the fuck would they want to do that with the bus lanes? they just MADE those bus lanes a few years ago

6/25/2006 11:30:48 PM

So their solution to no parking near or on hillsborough is to turn the street into a parking lot....great

6/26/2006 5:10:47 AM

The idea with making h-borough street more pedestrian friendly is to move traffic off onto western or wade. Western and Wade are designed to handle the traffic going downtown, not Hillsborough street. With the improvements, only people who live on Hillsborough street or are going there as their final destination will use it, which is what they want.

And parking isn't a problem when you consider all the parking on campus after 5pm, including four lots off the top of my head on the other side of Hillsborough that open up after 5pm.

The problem is that no one knows they can park there. They need those big blue "Public Parking" signs to tell people where to park, just like downtown.

6/26/2006 10:43:08 AM

We're fucked regardless.

I say that they bring back the turn of the century streetcars.

6/26/2006 11:08:45 AM

Here's the report

http://www.raleighnc.gov/publications/Planning/Plans_in_Process/Hillsborough_Street_Feasibility_Study.pdf

[Edited on June 26, 2006 at 6:31 PM. Reason : ..]

6/26/2006 6:30:46 PM

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6/26/2006 6:48:45 PM

paul cousins cries PHOTOSHOP

6/26/2006 6:52:35 PM

Quote :

"^^having fast food on campus is killing hillsborough st. and no, i'm not kidding. it's unfair competition, when a kid can use board bucks a half a mile away from hillsborough st."

Correcto! If the University integrated the Hillsborough restaurants into the campus mealplan, the street would pick up very quickly.

6/26/2006 6:54:35 PM

i dont think they want to be paying out anymore money than they can, why do you think people pick fast food...its not because it tastes good or its healthy

6/26/2006 6:58:51 PM

There would be no net change in the amount paid. They would be able to scale back the campus dining. Students would also have to pay out of the pocket, or with board bucks, whenever they exceed the alotted meal money (as they do already with the Talley and Brickyard food courts).

6/26/2006 8:28:13 PM

^^many of the restaurants on hillsborough st offer meals that are cheaper or similarly-priced to the crappy places on campus.

6/27/2006 7:18:35 AM

Quote :

"And parking isn't a problem when you consider all the parking on campus after 5pm, including four lots off the top of my head on the other side of Hillsborough that open up after 5pm."

Yeah, they need to be a little better with letting people know where they can and can't park on campus after 5pm. One time I got a ticket at like 8:00pm for parking on campus and I was curious as to why. I parked in that little lot that is at the top of the TompkinsCaldwellWinston building. I didn't see the behind-the-bush you can't park here sign. I literally had to search it out. I lost a lot of trust with parking on campus that day.

6/27/2006 8:07:10 AM

parking tickets are a cash cow for the city. do you really think they want to make it more clear where you can and cant park?

6/27/2006 8:27:45 AM

yes, because, believe it or not, there is usually a good reason for the "no parking" or "by permit only" parking spots. usually on campus they are for maintenance vehicles.

6/27/2006 8:38:16 AM

i think the roundabouts are a great idea and i hope they are implemented asap

6/27/2006 10:10:38 AM

Goodbye Record Exchange


Hello Pizza place or coffee shop

[Edited on June 27, 2006 at 8:15 PM. Reason : f]

6/27/2006 8:15:04 PM

hahaha the Record Exchange closing was alot higher up than just that store closing.

i lost my job.

6/27/2006 8:40:50 PM

i mean really, who buys records these days anyhow?

6/27/2006 10:15:39 PM

For a street like Hillsborough that has a lot of traffic,
the plan is to have fewer lanes and slower traffic.

For a downtown with light car traffic compared to other cities
and that has parking decks with many empty parking spaces
and used to have a lot of pedestrian traffic during lunch time
on Fayetteville street mall before they ass raped the sidewalk,
the plan is to pave the pedestrian mall to add more parking.

6/27/2006 11:47:34 PM

Kimley Horn did a lot of the concept planning for the downtown Wake Forest revitilization. I get investors calling me from california, NY, and all over trying to buy property within walking distance to the shops before the improvements are made.

Had an investor sell a condo in California for enought money to buy four units, the units generate roughly $3800 a month in revenue, she has owned them less than a year and they most likely would appraise for 8-10k more than she paid (per unit).

Along hillsborough st the residential property values are already inflated, its the vacant commercial space that is the problem. It looks like the changes they are doing should make the area more welcoming and pedestrian friendly.

6/28/2006 12:23:27 AM

Quote :

"Along hillsborough st the residential property values are already inflated, its the vacant commercial space that is the problem. It looks like the changes they are doing should make the area more welcoming and pedestrian friendly."

i don't see how residential property values are inflated on hillsborough st. where did you come up with that?

the properties are in very high demand ...near downtown/very close to university plus I don't know if you are aware of this but the downtown residential scene is blowing up with growth and interest

[Edited on June 28, 2006 at 1:09 AM. Reason : ]

6/28/2006 1:09:36 AM

OMF 12??

http://www.wral.com/news/9501977/detail.html

7/12/2006 3:29:41 PM

12 isn't necessarily a large number - hillsborough is a long street

7/12/2006 3:30:48 PM