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7/21/2006 11:19:52 AM

Does MacOS still eat memory like it use to? If so, then PCs will require less memory than the Macs.

7/21/2006 11:22:08 AM

OS X uses memory.... i don't know about "eating" it.
My 1st gen Mac Mini came with 512MB installed and I always felt it was a bit sluggish. I upgraded to 1GB a couple weeks ago and notice quite a difference.

On the other hand, my wifes MacBook also came with 512MB. It was fast to begin with - i upgraded it to 1.25GB and haven't actually noticed much of a difference.

7/21/2006 11:26:00 AM

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"A lot."

like?

I am looking at the configs, and I can still not see a "lot" of worthwhile differences.

7/21/2006 11:27:22 AM

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"PC Fanboys"

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"Mac Fagboys"

7/21/2006 11:28:12 AM

Well I remember working on a Powerbook G4 with 1GB of memory and it just felt a lot slower than my PC with 1 GB. Programs opened a lot slower and the system just felt a bit sluggish.

7/21/2006 11:39:25 AM

well, the base demographic for Apples doesn't care about technical issues as long as applications seem to open fast.

As a developer, I wouldn't look at Macs beyond shell scripting or a little bit of J2EE through Eclipse.

7/21/2006 11:42:21 AM

Mac loses money on everything except iPods

7/21/2006 11:43:43 AM

As far as I'm concerned, the new Intel Macs are a whole new ball game. It's completely off limits to make references to G3, G4, or even G5s. The benchmarks have shown that even the low end Intel Macs beat the hell out of most of their previous offerings.

The OS X interface has always lacked, as Macboys say, "the snappy". You rarely get instantaneous feedback when, for example, right clicking or opening menus, like you usually do in Windows. But the new ones are certainly much more "snappy" than the old ones, and of course applications run a lot faster too.

7/21/2006 11:44:08 AM

^^ Mac doesn't make iPod.

And no, Apple makes money on nearly everything they sell. Their gross margin on Macs nears 30%.

7/21/2006 11:44:55 AM

Gargs: the differences are almost all internal. The spec differences are pretty minimal. I would still consider buying a mac book if it fit my needs, but no way would i mess with the Pro for the reasons I already mentioned.

7/21/2006 11:46:07 AM

what kind of internal...I am just curious.

My sister is considering buying a Mac, and I am having a hard time seeing the spec differences between a $1,100 macbook and a $2,000 Macbook pro. It's a Mac, and she doesn't do a lot of 3D to justify spending more on a video card.

7/21/2006 11:48:09 AM

then tell her to get the macbook

7/21/2006 11:50:20 AM

^^ display size, video, an extra port (hdmi i think?), processor speed, keyboard illumination, aluminum casing (that's supposed to change, the Al has a lot to do with the heat IMO), front row comes standard, someone finish this list

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[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 11:51 AM. Reason : ]

7/21/2006 11:50:57 AM

Front Row and iSight are standard on the Macbook as well.

7/21/2006 11:52:40 AM

and the rest?

7/21/2006 11:53:13 AM

The only other differences are display size, and 1.83ghz vs 2.0 ghz.

I am just trying to figure if those 2 differences are worth $800

V - you gotta pay extra for firewire 800

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 12:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2006 11:56:51 AM

again, and video. and casing. and the port. and firewire 800

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ]

7/21/2006 11:57:38 AM

display size which is about a 150 dollar step up, video (integrated intel versus ati x1600) which is a 300 dollar difference at least, processor which is another couple hundred bucks (retarded I know), the Pro supports dual link DVI so you can power a big LCD, the regular macbook only supports single link dvi and has to have the dongle to do it.

I believe, but am not sure, that the Pro has a faster hdd. It will also cause burns if i touches exposed skin.

7/21/2006 12:07:16 PM

mac's allow you to immediately know how to speak japanese, according to the commercial

7/21/2006 12:13:18 PM

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"Mac loses money on everything except iPods"

My Adobe isn't working right - can someone help me?



But with the prices that Apple charges for computers, do you really think that they lose money on them??
From 2 days ago: http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/07/19/apple.posts.472m.profit/

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"2) copy and paste is erratic. Often I'll highlight some text, copy it, and when i paste it, either i'll get nothing, or whatever the last thing I copied was. It's intermittent, but very annoying. 3) No Visio. This is one of the biggest ones for me, since I have customers send me visios every day. Most people would not care about this though. 4) Generally, whenever Safari is loading a page, the entire application locks up until the page is done loading. In other words, I can't go look at other shit while i'm waiting for some web app to do its thing. Firefox is somewhat better, but I don't like it as much. Also, allowing firefox to use the JVM installed on the machine is a pain in the ass... to the point where i still haven't gotten around to doing it. "

2 - can't really say that i've had that problem.
3 - have you checked out OmniGraffle? From all accounts, it's much more fluid than Visio (OmniGroup makes great apps), but I have no idea of its ability to import Visio files. http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/
4 - can't agree with this too much, either. For some websites, I agree, but for most sites I don't see this problem. ESPN is pretty bad about it (as well as just crashing Safari all together), but most sites are fine.



[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 12:20 PM. Reason : haha, "reticulate splines"]

7/21/2006 12:13:47 PM

Being that I'm sitting doing visio development right now, i can tell you that Omni can't hold a candle to the functionality of Visio.

Also, Safari is a REALLY shitty browser.

7/21/2006 1:45:24 PM

thats why you dont use safari lol

7/21/2006 1:50:26 PM

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"but I have no idea of its ability to import Visio files."

it can only handle visio .xml files. Most of my customers send me stuff in .vsd, and I have to ask them to resend in .jpg format.

And as for safari, I like it a hell of a lot more than firefox for most of what I do. But I'll agree that it's got a lot of shit wrong with it. It does not play well with timestamped realm authentication for example (opened a bug on that one with apple.. we'll see how long it takes to get it fixed).

7/21/2006 2:27:21 PM

I use Camino, "pimped out" a little bit to give it some more functionality - http://pimpmycamino.com/
It is lean and fast, and with some help, you can add enough features to make it usable (mouse gestures, find-as-you-type)

I agree that Safari is crap. It alone has crashed more on me than all other OS X programs combined. Its very limited functionally too, and I think it's ugly as hell.

Firefox is just way too slow on OS X, especially when you add extensions and stuff. Supposedly FireFox 3.0 will have a native Cocao build, which would be sweet.

7/21/2006 2:34:51 PM

^^ ff's not slow for me on a good connection? what are u running it on?

7/21/2006 3:22:07 PM

the connection has nothing to do with it. The actual program just runs slow and is a memory hog on OS X because it's not written natively

7/21/2006 3:24:15 PM

again i dont have that problem. i asked what youre running it on. i'm telling you that on the machine ive used it on, it's not slow.

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 3:29 PM. Reason : ]

7/21/2006 3:28:40 PM

You stating it is not slow is pretty meaningless.

I can query a site simultaneously in FF and Safari, and Safari always loads it faster.

I'm stuck using both browsers because Safari has that auth bug and is unstable with our Oracle front end, but Firefox takes way longer to render a page than Safari.

For example:

http://forums.cisco.com/eforum/servlet/NetProf?page=main

Takes about 3 seconds longer to finish loading in FF than Safari. Most everything else I do is on our corporate intranet.

Neither one wins any awards in my book, but for 90% of my usage, Safari's faster rendering wins out.

[Edited on July 21, 2006 at 3:40 PM. Reason : ba]

7/21/2006 3:38:08 PM

i just dont think ff is slow lol. and im a performance freak. i used to love safari. until i started using ff. safari has too many ways to die, if it loads instantaneously and then crashes its kind of useless. i think ff is fast enough, and stable.

7/21/2006 3:43:25 PM

anyone have an unused Mac laptop they wanna donate to me to make me convert to OSX?

7/21/2006 6:02:19 PM

why? you seem to be able to judge everything else without ever actually using it, why should osx be any different?

7/21/2006 6:29:34 PM

buuuuuuuuuuuuuurn.

donate a mac? haha

7/21/2006 8:04:34 PM

I have used OSX plenty. I just gotta experiment more with it to see beyond its eye candy.

7/21/2006 8:07:25 PM

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"why? you seem to be able to judge everything else without ever actually using it, why should osx be any different?"

Haha.

7/21/2006 8:10:31 PM

plenty of use... should give you an idea about it right?

7/21/2006 8:11:32 PM

the disadvantage of using a mac is that it will instantly turn you flamboyantly gay.

7/21/2006 8:59:20 PM

no homo.

7/21/2006 9:18:50 PM

[Edited on July 22, 2006 at 7:35 AM. Reason : .]

7/22/2006 7:34:09 AM

Can't use eBay's built-in HTML auction builder on a Mac, hafta use other software.

7/22/2006 9:44:46 AM

I'm a self-professed idiot when it comes to coding and shit like that, and have no interest in learning it. That's why all you CS types are sweating your asses off in labs for.

I really want to like the new MacBook, but they have to get the heat issues ironed out before I get one. Still using an old Imac that does everything fine, but I want more (any) portability.

The ladyfriend bought her powerbook last year and it kicks ass. If apple can get the kinks worked out the Macbook in the next couple of months - then its going to be the laptop to have. The MacPro is fine if you need the horsepower, but I think I'll be able to dick around in Tdub just fine without it. YMMV

7/22/2006 1:38:02 PM

^ spoke w an apple dude yesterday, has a 15" pro personnally... said it gets pretty warm but doesnt significantly bother him, just uses a cooling pad on his desk, says it doesnt heat too much and new updates are allowing a processor to be shut down when not in use to help with the problem... he's a techie there and said he hasn't had any complaints about burned desks, etc... that's just what i was told

7/22/2006 2:09:17 PM

Never buy the first release of an Apple product.

7/22/2006 2:27:54 PM

^^ he's lying to you. if you look at apple's own documentation, it specifically says the thing should not be used on your lap, because its too hot and can cause discomfort and or injury.

Go into an apple store, fire up a 3d app for about 5 minutes, and then feel the underside.

7/22/2006 3:20:46 PM

he said not to use it on your lap or on a bed, etc.. which... just makes sense anyway considering you'd be covering up the vents... my old laptop would get to hot like that (non-Mac)

i know itll get hot, i'm not that naive about it, i just don't think it's as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, especially with their new firmware updates, and i would imagine apple is working on the problem for the new releases of the mb's

[Edited on July 22, 2006 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

7/22/2006 4:52:38 PM

^^ I was doing some work at the 'business room' at my condo building (w/ free fax machine, free copier, etc). i had some stuff to fax. i had my powerbook down there, and i was running some simulation data to print out and fax back to raleigh

the computer was so hot that it actually melted/marked an imprint of the laptop outline onto the table surface. it wasn't a nice table or anything, but still the fact that it did something to a hard surface, i'd hate to see what it would do to my lap

7/22/2006 5:01:33 PM

^ im sorry

but we're talkin about macbooks

7/22/2006 5:07:51 PM

omg, there is no funnier video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY&mode=related&search=

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"steve jobs: microsoft is buying apple stock crowd: booooooooo jobs: it is non voting shares crowd: yaaaaay ... steve jobs: we are now going to make internet explorer the default browser. crowd: NO! GOD NO! NOOOO BOOOO "

7/23/2006 12:49:05 AM

its funny that photo shop will run better on win xp running INSIDE osx than in osx alone.

7/23/2006 11:32:56 AM

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"for programs that I think are better on Mac than PC: AudimX > any Windows IM client Transmit > any Windows FTP client Quicksilver > any Windows launcher iPhoto > Picasa Delicious Library > * StuffIt > Winzip"

are you serious dude?

aim 5.098 does everything you could possibly want out of an aim client(minus tabs) but they're easy enough to add with deadaim or you could just run gaim. if you want to strip it down to nothing, there's miniaim and miranda. adding in a fuckton of stuff that isn't instant messaging.. really doesnt add the IM client now does it?

flashfxp is the single best ftp client ever, it's not even a question of personal preference

windows launcher? you mean like the command prompt, start menu, or quicklaunch bar? I really have no idea what you mean by launcher

winrar >> stuffit, no one uses winzip anymore

7/23/2006 12:05:10 PM