did anyone catch mccain on the daily show last night

7/25/2006 11:08:08 AM

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"Yeah, totally. Bush is just like Achmadinijad. He's worse than Stalin. He murdered over 50 million here. He's made the US like Somalia. He takes all the food for himself. Bush is so evil."

50,000 people confirmed dead in iraq (us, them, military and non), so I guess there's about 10 million more worth of catching up to do to bring him into Stalin/Hitler levels in the next couple years.

Possible. Unlikely, but we will all certainly look like idiots if he finds a way.

7/25/2006 12:00:44 PM

Yes, deaths in war are totally equal to ethnic cleansing...

7/25/2006 12:06:50 PM

wow. I have an apple. and I have an orange! And I totally think they're the same thing.

and stalin killed alot more than 10 million

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 12:14 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2006 12:14:08 PM

Vote Republican in '08: "We're not anywhere near as bad as Stalin!"

7/25/2006 2:24:11 PM

unlike some candidates, bush actually gives a fuck about protecting us from the people who hate our country and want to kill us

7/25/2006 2:46:44 PM

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"Vote Republican in '08: "We're not anywhere near as bad as Stalin!""

I was responding to the douche bag that actually made the correlation between bush and stalin.

7/25/2006 3:03:39 PM

But you guys really are much, much better than Stalin.

It's one of your only strong points; run with it.

7/25/2006 3:10:19 PM

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"Vote Republican in '08: "We're not anywhere near as bad as Stalin!""

haha

7/25/2006 3:13:26 PM

Republicans strong point : "We're not as bad as Stalin"

Democrats strong point : "Bush is bad"

7/25/2006 3:47:27 PM

It's been done, probably, but I skipped everything after this. If it has been done, it needed to be restated anyway for those who didn't get it the first time.

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"- took the fight to the terrorists"

1. The "terrorists" are everywhere around the globe, including Saudi Arabia. George has taken the fight to a handful of the "terrorists" by declaring an idea to be a war.

2. He took it to the terrorists after ignoring the information that Clinton left behind for him until people started flying airplanes into buildings. He also ignored further reports that specifically stated that bin Laden was going to have folks fly commercial airliners into the towers.

3. He wrapped himself in the American flag and said that if you were against his way of dealing with the terrorists, you must be against America.

4. He turned over the job of capturing a cornered bin Laden instead of seeing to it that we finished the job.

5. He's ignored existing rules which state that he can even retroactively get a warrant if he needs to while wire-tapping US citizens whose only crime is having friends with brown skin.

George sucks on terrorism.

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"- took on the iraq threat"

1. What Iraq threat? First the threat was WMD's that weren't there. Even Powell says he wishes he hadn't sat in front of the UN and presented what was basically bullshit information. Even if the info seemed good at the time, maybe if he'd worked with the UN, it's inspectors could have gotten in and proved that there were no WMD's. Of course, then the goal wasn't WMD's it was liberation from an opressive government. The guys we have killing people because they're different now are SO much better.

1.5. What Iraq threat? Iraq had absolutely no relationship with Al Queda. None.

2. Civil War. It's happening. We can't stop it. Iraq has become a huge training ground for terrorists. We're stuck in a situation we can't even take a sniff at getting out of. All this long after Bush declared the Mission to be Accomplished.

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"- tried to uphold conservative values "

1. If, by this, you mean opposing safe abortion and the right to choose. Then yes. He'd much rather see a confused teen with a rusty coat hanger up her na na than have the same teen get counsiling and safe treatment should she decide to go through with it. Bravo.

2. If, by this, you mean opposing the teaching of science in favor of Genesis. Then yes. But he never advocated this kind of "fair and balanced" teaching in my Old Testament class, where no one mentioned evolution.

3. If, by this, you mean opposing the teaching of safe sex practices in favor of just telling teenagers not to fuck and then believing they'll listen. Then yes.

4. If, by this, you mean doing everything he can to eliminate the basic rights of people because they're gay. Then yes. He's made it very clear that those who practice the butt-sex should not enjoy rights.

5. If, by this, you mean that he considers 1-4 to be vastly more important than the people in this country who are suffering due to homelessness, hunger, and disease because his version of Jesus doesn't seem to give a damn about the "least of these," but sure does hate butt-pirates. Then Yes.

Bush sucks on social issues.

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"- appointed conseravtive judges that will uphold the constitution"

Don't fool yourself. His "conservative" judges won't give half a thought to getting rid of pesky things like free speech and seperation of church and state.

Bush sucks on judges, but to be fair any president would. No such thing as pure unbias.

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"- supports anti-terrorist movements around the world"

Supporting anti-terror movements is right on par with supporting breathing air. I don't see why you should get any brownie points for this. Although, given how cowboy George likes to operate; I suppose some credit should be given to him for not going against another country's anti-terrorist stuff just because it's not American.

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"- didnt bow down to the UN"

Good. Listening to the UN sure would have been a shitty thing to do. Like when they said that if we got involved in Iraq, we'd regret it. Boy, I'm sure glad we didn't listen to them. Not to mention George went ahead and backed out of every treaty we were a part of that was designed to keep the number of horrible weapons in the world to a minimum and yet still has the gaul to bitch when some other country wants to up their "blowing shit up" capacity.

Bush absolutely sucks on foreign policy.

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"- most importantly, acts in the best interest of the US, not the desires of other countries who wish to dictate world affairs"

Bush acts in the interest of his campaign donors. Other countries want to dictate world affairs because they're part of the world. I guess when George decides to dictate world affairs, though, it's okay for some reason. This is seriously the most ignorant statement in a huddle of them. This country's best interest is not served in stretching its military so thin. This country's best interest is not served by quick-fix tax breaks whose long term affects can be seen if he looked at his daddy's four years in office. This country's best interests are not served by alienating the world. This country's best interests are not served by letting the environment go to shit. This country's best interests are not served in denying anyone their rights, be they gay or suspected terrorist. This country's best interest's are not the same as Enron's best interests.

Bush is horrible on everything.

Thus ends the manifesto.

7/25/2006 4:19:47 PM

maybe if faggot ass jimmy carter didnt allow the iranian shah to be overthrown in 79 we wouldnt be in this shit...bush is just trying to clean up carter's mess

7/25/2006 4:32:20 PM

omg bush is worse than stalin.


Clinton had 3 distinct chances with the fucking scope on bin laden's head and never gave the ok for the shot. dont' give me shit that it was bush who dropped the ball on clinton's intelligence. And if clinton's intelligence was so sound, why did he bomb iraq over non-existant WMDs... hmm...

7/25/2006 4:32:20 PM

^clinton could've given bin laden up to the sudan who would've tortured and killed him

but that wouldve been immoral and wrong

or actually i think he was on a phone call with his Green Beret commando on the ground like "Sir, we have Bin Laden, should we let him go?"

and Clinton was gettin head and about to nut and he was like "YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!"

7/25/2006 4:33:38 PM

The only thing I'm saying is that people who came into the White House and read what Clinton left for Bush about terrorism have gone on record as saying that Clinton was "obsessed with bin Laden."

Bush got a memo saying that that specific attack was imminent and he went on vacation.

7/25/2006 4:56:48 PM

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"Clinton was "obsessed with bin Laden.""

obsessed with letting him live? cause he sure could've killed him more than once

7/25/2006 5:00:24 PM

Did Clinton fail to kill him after allowing the modern Pearl Harbor?

Or was that George?

You people keep comparing George to Clinton, but all I heard from you people during Clinton's administration is what a shitty president he was. So if you hated what Clinton did so much, why don't you show me where George has done any better.

You know what? Fuck that. How about if I concede that yes, Clinton dropped the bin Laden ball by assuming that George had the stones to do something about him, if not before then when he balked at pulling the trigger.

Why don't you respond to any other point I made?

7/25/2006 5:32:34 PM

okay here's a response for you

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"The only thing I'm saying is that people who came into the White House and read what Clinton left for Bush about terrorism have gone on record as saying that Clinton was "obsessed with bin Laden.""

Clinton didn't do crap about him

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" Bush got a memo saying that that specific attack was imminent and he went on vacation."

did the memo say, oh i dont know... when, where, who, how, what, why of anything about it? NO.

Clinton sucked, and got sucked, obviously

7/25/2006 6:11:56 PM

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"Republicans strong point : "We're not as bad as Stalin" Democrats strong point : "Bush is bad""

haha even better

7/25/2006 6:20:26 PM

Republican Strong Point: We're definitely not any of the Democratic candidates for the past two decades.

7/25/2006 6:25:01 PM

Ahah, typical clash of nuance vs. black-and-white

Democrat Shill: BUSH IS BAD!
Republican Shill: Well is he Stalin?
Democrat Shill: Um, no.
Republican Shill: But you said he was bad! Stalin's bad! OMG FLIP-FLOP!1


^Bill Clinton would kill any GOP candidate.

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 6:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2006 6:26:20 PM

all i know is...you people who are obsessed with Bill Clinton and how he would be an awesome president today are pathetic...hes not president...he will be never again be president...get past it

7/25/2006 6:30:01 PM

hahah, who is it that always bring up Clinton in arguments?

OH RIGHT

It's conservatives.

PS: it kills you inside to know that he'd cream Bush in an election, doesn't it?

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 6:36 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2006 6:35:59 PM

it kills me inside to think that East Timor would be a better location for New York City.

What the fuck does ^ that have to do with anything?

7/25/2006 6:37:45 PM

The dude was like "omg you liberals are so obsessed with Clinton, stop bringing him up."

I pointed out that it's always conservatives that bring up Clinton.


And took the opportunity to remind him of how popular WJC is.

7/25/2006 6:40:46 PM

you idiot...where did i say that just "liberals" were obsesses with clinton??...why are you so defensive??

way to reiterate your patheticness...

7/25/2006 6:44:21 PM

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"you people who are obsessed with Bill Clinton and how he would be an awesome president today"

So if you were forced to compress those 17 words down to one word, which word would you choose?

7/25/2006 6:49:39 PM

dude...liberals suck his balls like he is president...conservatives point to him and blame him for things like he is president...

the way you responded to my first post proves this point...good job

7/25/2006 6:51:17 PM

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"Bill Clinton would kill any GOP candidate."

I'd vote for any "New Democrat" that renounced democratic philosophy and happily suported much of the "Contract with America" put forth by the Republican Party.

I vote Republican simply because I miss Clinton. He was and still is the best America could hope for.

I don't know about his wife, she sounds too much like a democrat and not enough like a "New Democrat" circa 1990s.

7/25/2006 6:51:29 PM

^case in point..

7/25/2006 6:52:21 PM

So on a scale of 1 to 10, how much does Clinton's awesomeness hurt you inside?



[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 6:55 PM. Reason : 1 being "I need some oxycontin," 10 being "Arrrg Reagan just died."]

7/25/2006 6:54:24 PM

not at all...i actually like him and dont get why conservatives hate him so much

on a scale of 1-10....how much does it hurt you that he will never be president again??

but more importantly...thanks for illustrating my point that you are completely irrelevant amd pathetic because you are obsessed with a past president...again, well done

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 6:57 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/25/2006 6:56:01 PM

i'm quite glad clinton will never be president again. his wife will never be president either.

for the record, i don't even like talking about clinton, and you won't see me initiating anything specifically about him in a thread that's about someone else... i.e. Bush

Clinton's awesomeness... what a joke.

7/25/2006 7:04:00 PM

its easy to forget about everything bad Clinton did when you've had blaming Bush taking up all of your thoughts for the past 6 years

7/25/2006 8:53:52 PM

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"okay here's a response for you"

Except what I wanted you to respond to was anything in that giant post/laundry list of complaints about Bush that didn't have to do with WJ or blowing a load in a intern's face.

7/25/2006 9:29:55 PM

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"Bill Clinton would kill any GOP candidate."

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 9:31 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2006 9:31:21 PM

The democratic party has become a joke over the past 6 years. The party is being run by the far left (some of which are on this board) who's only position is that "Bush is wrong". For example, since the terrorists in Iraq are against Bush, they side with the terrorists over there own country. Some even go as far as to wish America loses the war so that Bush will be embarassed. Another example is that democrats refuse to recognize the accomplishments in Iraq. Schools are being built, new roads are created, and an entire population no longer has to live under a dictator's regime of murder, rape, and torture, but God forbid the US deprive a known terrorist of sleep to get answers, that would be just too drastic.

Wise up democrats...didnt you know that John Kerry was one of the most far left person in congress when you nominated him to run against a moderate republican in 2004? How on earth did you think you would attract any moderate/slightly conservative votes with Kerry running? Thats rule #1 in politics.

7/25/2006 10:14:27 PM

i'm supposed to learn rule #1 from someone who was born in the 1980's?

7/25/2006 10:21:33 PM

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"- most importantly, acts in the best interest of the US, not the desires of other countries who wish to dictate world affairs."

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"if noone else will take the responsibilty and have the courage to do so, then we are left to be the guardians i could care less what the rest of the world wants. most of them are selfish nations run by socialists who could care less about whats best for their people "

Holy fucking shit. Captain Insane-o!

7/25/2006 10:36:52 PM

Bear if you can't sum up what you're trying to say any better than that, I'm not wasting my time reading it all.

[Edited on July 25, 2006 at 10:56 PM. Reason : ]

7/25/2006 10:56:09 PM

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"maybe if faggot ass jimmy carter didnt allow the iranian shah to be overthrown in 79 we wouldnt be in this shit...bush is just trying to clean up carter's mess"

Actually, it's all Kermit Roosevelt's fault (a CIA agent from the 1950s and Teddy Roosevelt's grandson).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lyyl7h9F_Q&search=robert%20newman

The Iran history part is covered in this, Part 1, starting at about the 4:20 mark. There's four more parts to his stand-up.

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 12:03 AM. Reason : /]

7/25/2006 11:53:48 PM

according to my very conservative friend his approval rating is bullshit, b.c the liberal media skews the statistics so bad

7/25/2006 11:56:19 PM

George W Bush + Bill Clinton

=

7/26/2006 12:47:32 AM

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"wow. I have an apple. and I have an orange! And I totally think they're the same thing. and stalin killed alot more than 10 million"

Yeah, it was around 14 million last I checked. That's why I added the 'levels' modifier at the end of the sentence, to indicate it was of the comparable general magnitude, if not the exact number.

7/26/2006 12:48:22 AM

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" Fry : Bear if you can't sum up what you're trying to say any better than that, I'm not wasting my time reading it all."

whats so funny about this, is that you make the most nonsensical and uninformed posts here, second only to TreeTwista10. But at least he has the excuse of being a hippy dopesmoker who smoked himself retarded. I don't know what your excuse is. Willfully stupid, is best I can tell.

When starting this thread I had hoped to see a semi-intelligent debate evolve on Bush's foriegn and domestic policy. But the sheer amount of stupidity coming from Fry, TreeTwista and others, is just staggering. If I was a Republican, I'd be embarrassed for them.

Maybe I'll try to reread this thread again, later. Theres a few Bush apologists I saw who at least try to sound informed.





[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 1:03 AM. Reason : ]

7/26/2006 12:49:14 AM

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"but more importantly...thanks for illustrating my point that you are completely irrelevant amd pathetic because you are obsessed with a past president...again, well done"

Yes. Obsessed.

Because I commented on him after the topic was already broached.

And because I find it humorous that in spite of all the hating on the conservative side, Clinton > GOP

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"The democratic party has become a joke over the past 6 years. The party is being run by the far left (some of which are on this board) who's only position is that "Bush is wrong". For example, since the terrorists in Iraq are against Bush, they side with the terrorists over there own country. Some even go as far as to wish America loses the war so that Bush will be embarassed. Another example is that democrats refuse to recognize the accomplishments in Iraq. Schools are being built, new roads are created, and an entire population no longer has to live under a dictator's regime of murder, rape, and torture, but God forbid the US deprive a known terrorist of sleep to get answers, that would be just too drastic."

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 1:03 AM. Reason : .]

7/26/2006 12:58:42 AM

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"The democratic party has become a joke over the past 6 years."

yeah, true, but not for the reasons you claim

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"The party is being run by the far left (some of which are on this board) who's only position is that "Bush is wrong". "

wrong. the Dem party is not being run by anyone. we have multiple factions from the conservative to the liberal wings, to all points in between, attacking each other.

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"For example, since the terrorists in Iraq are against Bush, they side with the terrorists over there own country. Some even go as far as to wish America loses the war so that Bush will be embarassed."

well, you're just a little parrot, aren't you?. Here's a hint for you: Ann Coulter is not a political scientist.

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"Another example is that democrats refuse to recognize the accomplishments in Iraq. Schools are being built, new roads are created"

we all recognize that there is some attempt being made to rebuild the infrastructure that we destroyed. yeah, that's real nice. but it's like Colin Powell said before we invaded: "if you break it, you own it".

now we can RE-build all the schools we want, but it's no good if the children cant go to school for fear of being blown up. its no good to have a fixed road if you're afraid of being summarily executed by roving death squads because you have the "wrong" last name.

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"and an entire population no longer has to live under a dictator's regime of murder, rape, and torture,"

thats really beautiful. you should look into a career in corporate PR. I think you'd do really well.

But never mind that the entire population now lives in a chaotic war zone and are subject to random murders, executions, rape and tortures at any time. some at the hands of the US occupiers, some at the hands of sectarian religious zealots. as far as brutal dictators and human rights abuses go, there is far worse out there than saddam ever was.

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"but God forbid the US deprive a known terrorist of sleep to get answers, that would be just too drastic."

never mind the fact that torture techniques are proven to be ineffective and even actually /counter-productive/ at intelligence gathering,

So how about "god forbid" that we torture /suspected/ terrorists and taxi drivers and falaffel vendors with electric shocks, broken bones, dog attacks, psychological and sexual trauma, and every so often some of them die on us... but whatever. they arent american ... and we all know white americans >> everyone else.

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"didnt you know that John Kerry was one of the most far left person in congress when you nominated him "

you think Kerry is far left? wow. you probably think GWB is moderate, dont you?

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"to run against a moderate republican in 2004?"

welp, never mind.

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"Thats rule #1 in politics."

a 22 year old CHE student at NC State who waves a historically bogus "north carolina confederate flag" ? ... You don't know Rule #1 about getting your head out of your ass, much less to be in a position to school anyone past the 7th grade on anything about politics.







[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 2:15 AM. Reason : ]

7/26/2006 1:46:56 AM

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"didnt you know that John Kerry was one of the most far left person in congress when you nominated him "

by this logic, the only "moderate" democrats would be...well, joe lieberman i guess.

i want whoever wrote that to show me evidence as to why he's "far left". maybe i have a bad def. of far left, b/c when i think far left, i tend to think of this guy:

not a wealthy new englander who voted to authorize a pre-emptive attack on iraq.

7/26/2006 2:02:11 AM

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"blah blah blah blah"

rabble rabble rabble

7/26/2006 2:03:58 AM

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"maybe if faggot ass jimmy carter didnt allow the iranian shah to be overthrown in 79 we wouldnt be in this shit...bush is just trying to clean up carter's mess"

hmmmmm...thats the first thing that made me stop and go hmmmmmmmmm

7/26/2006 2:38:18 AM