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7/26/2006 12:18:17 AM

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"Care to explain how? How is it logically contradictory to suggest that a being capable of creation couldn't create something how he saw fit? "

We've been over this a million, billion times (that's a figure of speech to you Creationists out there).

Sure, a god could have put the light as-is when it created the universe ~6000 of our years ago, but such a god is inconsistent with the idea of God portrayed in the Christian bible. Thus, for the purposes of a creationism vs. reality argument, the idea that god put the light as-is is irrelevant.

7/26/2006 12:27:38 AM

Dinosaurs were not on the ark.

Dinosaurs never existed.

Dinosaur bones were planted in the ground by Satan, to make all of you smarty-pants doubt the Bible.

7/26/2006 12:37:32 AM

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"Dinosaurs were not on the ark. Dinosaurs never existed. Dinosaur bones were planted in the ground by Satan, to make all of you smarty-pants doubt the Bible."

...I think Satan put YOU here to test my faith.

7/26/2006 1:46:11 AM

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 2:20 AM. Reason : ]

7/26/2006 2:17:28 AM

God killed Satan years ago.

7/26/2006 2:24:42 AM

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"anyone who literally beleives in the bible story of Noah's arc deserves to be kicked out of our institution of higher learning here at NC State"

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"Religious intolerance and thought policing at it's best, ladies and gentleman. While you are at it, please pick up your yellow stars over here... Slavery is freedom!"

There's a difference between religious intolerance and the refusal to accept stupid ideas in an academic institution. If I decided that Maxwell's Equations are wrong and Relativity doesn't exist based on my religion, I'd fail my classes and I'd deserve to be kicked out of State.

If you honestly believe that -- contrary to all physical evidence -- the entire surface of the planet was immersed in water some thousands of years ago, and the only survivors were a handful of humans and two of each (type?) of animal, than you are wrong and deserve to fail history classes.

Valid points of view would be: "oh, well, maybe there was a flood in Mesopotamia, and that's what the story is about. (familiar with the Epic of Gilgamesh?)" or, "hmmm, I guess the story of the flood could be an allegory of wide social change in the ancient world." Or something like that. Something reasonable.

God gave us reality for a reason: so we could live in it.

Sure, you're free to believe whatever you want, but you also shouldn't expect a point of view that lies entirely outside the realm of reality to be given merit by people with actual brains in their heads.

Oh yeah, and it's always a good idea to cheapen the holocaust by comparing the fact that you're an idiot to the murder of millions of people. Bitch.

7/26/2006 8:07:35 AM

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""Sure, if you make one fatal assumption. Namely, that the creator being just flipped his finger and the stars turned on and all light started then. Of course, anyone with half a brain (ironic in the context of my point, I know) should be able to see that if a being is capable of creating an entire fucking universe that he could probably go ahead and put some light rays into his creation that seem to emanate from stars so far away. Really, such an "article" goes to show just how nearsighted some "scientists" are. If anything, they are as equally nearsighted as those they ridicule and label frauds."

Uhh, so you're suggesting that scientists reserve judgement on things just in case there's an omnipotent, as-of-yet-undetected and undetectable being that made our Universe with deceptive magic?

You do understand how science works, right?

7/26/2006 9:41:21 AM

^^ off to a good start on TWW

7/26/2006 9:52:36 AM

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"If you honestly believe that -- contrary to all physical evidence -- the entire surface of the planet was immersed in water some thousands of years ago, and the only survivors were a handful of humans and two of each (type?) of animal, than you are wrong and deserve to fail history classes."

Yeah, because Noah took 7 of each of the clean animals aboard.

7/26/2006 10:15:00 AM

Guess I haven't read Genesis in a while...






But I'm still right.

Anyhow, what exactly is a clean animal?

I thought pigs are considered to be unclean in the Old Testament, how the fuck are they still around?
(I'm not complaining, I'd be shit out of luck without barbecue.)

7/26/2006 10:34:06 AM

if you had read the first paragraph of this thread, you would know

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"In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark. "

7/26/2006 10:48:58 AM

I always assumed that they took 7 of each of the clean animals aboard the ark because they needed to offer animal sacrifices every so often. 7 was probably the magic number that gave them just enough animals to offer sacrifice and still have 2 left over by the time the water subsided.

As far as the pig thing... The clean v. unclean (talking law of Moses here {post flood}) was more a dietary thing. Animals that didn't have a cloven hoof and didn't chew cud were considered unclean. They couldn't eat pig because they didn't chew the cud. So they are still around because no one ate them all.

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 10:53 AM. Reason : -]

7/26/2006 10:52:31 AM

Sewer-rat might taste like pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't know cause I never eat the filthy mothafuckas.

7/26/2006 11:01:05 AM

^^^Thank you, point taken.

So Moses actually took 7 of each clean animal and 2 of the other ones.

Does that make a literal interpretation of the great flood any more based in reality?

No.

7/26/2006 11:03:32 AM

Did someone say it did?

BTW:

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"Guess I haven't read Genesis in a while..."

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"So Moses actually took 7 of each clean animal and 2 of the other ones."

Point taken

[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 11:07 AM. Reason : -]

7/26/2006 11:04:59 AM

the Flood narrative of Genesis chapters 6-9 is actually two different stories that were later edited together into one.

in one of the stories, Noah takes 2 of every animal.

in the other story, Noah takes 7 pairs of every clean animal so he can sacrifice them later.

its easy to get the mishmash of multiple/conflicting/contradictory bible stories mixed up.

references:


documentary hypothesis: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/2/Judaism/jepd.html

flood narrative redaction: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rs/2/Judaism/jp-flood.html




[Edited on July 26, 2006 at 11:53 AM. Reason : ]

7/26/2006 11:52:44 AM

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"its easy to get the mishmash of multiple/conflicting/contradictory/fictional bible stories mixed up."

7/26/2006 12:01:50 PM

so what happens when people finally realize that god doesnt exist and when you die you cease to exist anymore?

7/26/2006 12:40:04 PM

i think, whether or not god exists, you find out when you die, so you cant really change it

7/26/2006 12:40:47 PM

i'd be pissed if i died and found out that the scientologists were right all along.

7/26/2006 1:13:09 PM

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"Ok so youre saying God isnt omnipotent?"

aight, you know what I meant by the quote, so don't be a t00l.

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"but such a god is inconsistent with the idea of God portrayed in the Christian bible."

No it's not. Its just inconsistent with how you want that god to be.

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"Uhh, so you're suggesting that scientists reserve judgement on things just in case there's an omnipotent, as-of-yet-undetected and undetectable being that made our Universe with deceptive magic? You do understand how science works, right?"

No, I'm not saying that at all. Rather, I'm saying that the referenced article is foolish, because it makes an assumption that it simply can't make.

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"i'd be pissed if i died and found out that the scientologists were right all along."

I know, right? Xenu sounds like a bitch

7/26/2006 9:37:50 PM

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"No, I'm not saying that at all. Rather, I'm saying that the referenced article is foolish, because it makes an assumption that it simply can't make."

Uh you mean the assumption that the Universe wasn't made by God to appear older than it is?

You do know how science works, right?

7/27/2006 12:28:42 AM

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"No it's not. Its just inconsistent with how you want that god to be."

No, you're wrong.

7/27/2006 1:06:03 AM

You know what

I bet God made a YTMND about us:

HEY JESUS, LOL.

7/27/2006 11:18:46 AM

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"so what happens when people finally realize that god doesnt exist and when you die you cease to exist anymore? "

This is logically inconsistent. You know that if no God exists you will never truly "realize that when you die you cease to exist" because by the very essence of non-existence, you won't.

7/27/2006 11:45:24 AM

Please read the sentence again.

Its not saying what you think it is.

7/27/2006 12:34:37 PM

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"Quote : "Care to explain how? How is it logically contradictory to suggest that a being capable of creation couldn't create something how he saw fit?" Quote : "Arguing that God is so weak that he needs to create illusions instead of creating a discoverable immense complex universe is insulting to omnipotence." Ok so youre saying God isnt omnipotent?"

God isn't real!

Mike

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 12:37 PM. Reason : duh]

7/27/2006 12:36:35 PM

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"so what happens when people finally realize that god doesnt exist and when you die you cease to exist anymore"

troll

[Edited on July 27, 2006 at 1:36 PM. Reason : 234 ]

7/27/2006 1:36:11 PM

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"Uh you mean the assumption that the Universe wasn't made by God to appear older than it is? You do know how science works, right?"

Yes, of course I do. but that's not what's at question here. At question here is a scientist making a claim based on an assumption that he cannot make.

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" No, you're wrong."

Care to elaborate? probably not.

7/31/2006 10:10:49 PM

"You know the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the fucking Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big fucking lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend. And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch for O so many years inviting thousands of American tourists to bring their fat fucking families and their fat dollar bills.And oh Scotland did praise the Lord. Thank you Lord, thank you Lord. Thank you Lord."

"Get this, I actually asked one of these guys, OK, Dinosaurs fossils - how does that fit into you scheme of life? Let me sit down and strap in. He said, "Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith." I think God put you here to test my faith, Dude. You believe that? "uh huh." Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be.. fuckin' with our heads? I have trouble sleeping with that knowledge. Some prankster God running around: "Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha ha." [mimes God burying fossils] "I am God, I am a prankster." "I am killing Me."

- Bill Hicks

... he got the 12 thousand thing wrong, but... whatever, he's still a god

[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]

7/31/2006 10:23:48 PM

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"a scientist making a claim based on an assumption that he cannot make"

the scientific process can make any assumption it pleases

as long as it is testable

[Edited on August 1, 2006 at 12:12 AM. Reason : 234]

8/1/2006 12:02:00 AM

The concept of "God" was created by humans...

Mike

8/1/2006 1:59:34 AM

8/1/2006 8:19:45 AM

we shall call him Jacksapien Hammeroid

[Edited on August 1, 2006 at 9:19 AM. Reason : 3]

8/1/2006 9:19:42 AM

8/1/2006 10:02:23 AM

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8/27/2013 6:04:22 PM

Whatever happened to josh numbers.

8/27/2013 8:18:38 PM

8/27/2013 8:56:12 PM

Whoa, a religion thread without my input. Must have been in my "Not posting regularly on TWW" years.

8/28/2013 11:59:25 AM

This is a science thread bro

8/28/2013 10:07:41 PM

were unicorns on Noah's ark?

8/28/2013 10:25:11 PM

science has no explanation for how the universe (or whatever the most zoomed out level of everything is called) came to be. Neither does religion.

Both explanations are actually equally laughable.

Religion says that God started everything and nothing came before God.

Science says the universe started from a singularity and nothing came before the singularity.

Maybe God is the singularity?

Either way nothing makes sense so why even talk about it.

8/28/2013 11:15:31 PM

Not sure if trolling, but "science" doesn't say anything.

Even any scientist who states that "the universe started from a singularity" is saying it provisionally because the current data best supports that hypothesis. Any time a scientist says anything they're saying it provisionally. That's why comparing science and religion is stupid.

I was going to explain why we should talk about unknown things but at this point I'm certain you're trolling.

8/29/2013 10:48:00 AM

E Man is a troll

8/29/2013 11:00:00 AM

^^I'm not trolling. You're right on but that is the closest thing to a common scientific explanation. The point was that neither science or religion really has an answer for how the universe started so why bother.

8/29/2013 12:54:53 PM

science is a process, not a list of answers. so yes, science does have "the answer"

8/29/2013 12:55:46 PM

"science" learns more about the nature of the universe every day. that's "why" we keep talking about it.

8/29/2013 3:49:16 PM

Cool video

8/29/2013 4:41:38 PM