Oh, I think the point stands. You can't take the guns out of the hands of just one group of people. Either you get rid of guns for everyone (not possible) or you let everyone have them.

8/9/2006 12:35:11 PM

why does it need to be anything but a hunting rifle then is what i wanna know.

8/9/2006 12:35:30 PM

Its a good thing we didnt let the freedom hating liberals ban guns or else this single, isolated incident that closely represents a conservative's ideal example situation for the support of gun laws would not have happened.

8/9/2006 12:35:41 PM

^^it doesnt'.

8/9/2006 12:36:27 PM

^^single and isolated eh?

^^^maybe because CRIMINALS HAVE HANDGUNS

8/9/2006 12:36:52 PM

i dont see the point. if you have 1 or 2 guys in your house, why not just call the authorities and protect yourself and your children from a good vantage point with your rifle/shotgun/whatever.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:38 PM. Reason : terrorists have AK's, should we carry those around in case one comes to attack us]

8/9/2006 12:37:41 PM

^^and you don't think a concerted effort to limit the flow of these handguns would have an effect on how many criminals have handguns?

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:38 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/9/2006 12:37:48 PM

criminals dont buy handguns legally by applying for permits and getting their backgrounds checked etc

it wont affect how criminals get their guns

8/9/2006 12:40:10 PM

his point was that they have to come from somewhere.

8/9/2006 12:40:46 PM

not immediately, but in the long term it certainly would. these criminals don't manufacture guns. and if a criminal gets picked up with an illegal firearm, and that firearm gets confiscated, that's one less gun on the street.

eventually i think it would do a lot of good.

8/9/2006 12:42:00 PM

So what you guys are saying is...

We should disarm regular folks, and then make it so that they should just offer up all their belongings if somebody brings potential force to the table?

"Sure come on in, Mr. Robber. I know you know that if I'm a law-abiding citizen, there is no gun or danger in my home. Right on in this way, the computers are down the hall that way, and the TV is right over there. Would you like a lemonade?"

Seriously what the fuck. If I threatened to kick your ass would you give me your wallet?

8/9/2006 12:42:04 PM

So could I get a quote from anyone of any significance in Washington who thinks guns should be banned?

8/9/2006 12:43:00 PM

^^if you're concerned about violence, that situation would probably get rid of almost all danger of violence. but i forgot, you just care about your stuff. just man up and get some insurance and lock your doors.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/9/2006 12:43:41 PM

cuz there is absolutely 0 ways to protect yourself in your home besides a gun.

and again i ask, how many times do people break into someones house when 1) they are there and 2) a gun is present. id imagine most theifs dont want to deal with the hastle.

8/9/2006 12:45:00 PM

^^^Seems like a few people in this thread wouldn't mind a ban on handguns, so I guess the fun continues.

To help us take the guns off the streets we could even mirror the successful War on Drugs program.

^don't bring a gun to a knife fight eh?

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:46 PM. Reason : -]

8/9/2006 12:45:38 PM

i'm gonna go to lunch now. have fun shootin' stuff while i'm gone.

8/9/2006 12:45:48 PM

Quote :

"^^if you're concerned about violence, that situation would probably get rid of almost all danger of violence. but i forgot, you just care about your stuff. just man up and get some insurance and lock your doors."

I have insurance, but what you're saying is that if somebody shows up at my door with the intent to break in, I should just hand my stuff over every time?

Quote :

"cuz there is absolutely 0 ways to protect yourself in your home besides a gun. "

Yeah dude I'm Steven fucking Segal. I could just karate chop the guy with the gun.

Quote :

"how many times do people break into someones house when 1) they are there and 2) a gun is present. id imagine most theifs dont want to deal with the hastle."

Part of the "hassle" is the knowledge that the house might or might not have a gun in it.

8/9/2006 12:47:01 PM

If in durham, by a pistol.

Thats a given.

8/9/2006 12:51:37 PM

now i'm not knocking pure pacifists except that they are a little unrealistic...but if you are completely non-violent i hear ya

but it's truly amazing to see some of the opinions of people who are essentially content with letting people break into your house and take your stuff and scare the shit out of you and your family at MINIMUM...god forbid they actually shoot someone...and then they'll call the cops and report and and report with their insurance company and the criminal will do the same shit to somebody else's house until they realize that if they break into somebodys house they're might be consequences

8/9/2006 12:51:47 PM

Quote :

"Yeah dude I'm Steven fucking Segal. I could just karate chop the guy with the gun."

good, solves that problem. that or you could still have a hunting weapon in my scenario.

Quote :

"Part of the "hassle" is the knowledge that the house might or might not have a gun in it."

well if you are aiming to have no one home, it really doesnt matter much. id say gun-owners are in the minority. im just saying it defeats the purpose of buglary to expect to go in guns-a-blazin'.

as has been pointed out 100x, most people are pro gun-regulation not for an entire ban. obviously it is a lot harder to justify a complete ban

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 12:53:42 PM

^^or until, oh i don't know, they get caught.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

^i would be ok with banning handgun sales. and forcing all those who have handguns to be registered, and confiscating all guns which are not.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 12:54:06 PM

I think they're weighing the possibility of a break-in with the possibility that their handgun could result in an accident.


In Durham, the former > the latter.

In Cary, the latter > the former.

8/9/2006 12:55:11 PM

because there's lots of black folks in durham. DUH.

8/9/2006 12:56:14 PM

^^^that would be fine and well if the cops gave a shit and if the criminal justice system was worth a fuck

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 12:56 PM. Reason : ^^^]

8/9/2006 12:56:39 PM

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"i would be ok with banning handgun sales."

wtf

Quote :

"and forcing all those who have handguns to be registered"

how are you going to force criminals to register

Quote :

"and confiscating all guns which are not"

how are you going to confiscate criminals' guns

also not sure if you knew but NC is a permit-to-purchase state...not a permit-to-own state...fyi...thank god its that way too

8/9/2006 12:57:23 PM

i'm confused.

8/9/2006 12:58:20 PM

i just dont overly see the point of hanguns. i definately dont see the point of any type of assault weapon.

8/9/2006 12:59:17 PM

The fact that I'd want a handgun in Durham doesn't have anything to do with black people.


^Well, it's a gun that can be used to its full potential while inside. It's of great use when. you're. inside.



[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:01 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 12:59:56 PM

^^do you see the point in limiting law abiding gun ownership with no way to limit criminal gun ownership? yeah me neither

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:00 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/9/2006 1:00:29 PM

Quote :

"how are you going to confiscate criminals' guns"

take them when they are arrested or searched and they can't present a valid registration.

Quote :

"also not sure if you knew but NC is a permit-to-purchase state...not a permit-to-own state...fyi...thank god its that way too"

and i would like to see this changed.

8/9/2006 1:01:16 PM

So until they get caught they can come by for a monthly fleecing of your shit.
Brilliant.

8/9/2006 1:02:16 PM

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"take them when they are arrested or searched and they can't present a valid registration"

that will work...............for the criminals who are actually arrested

and requiring a permit-to-own is still not going to affect criminals

do you not understand that changing LAWS only affects LAW ABIDING citizens and not LAW BREAKING Criminals??!?!?!?!?!?!!

8/9/2006 1:03:02 PM

find me all those gun deaths in countries that have strict gun regulation. . .

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 1:04:09 PM

^^But they banned drugs and those are off the streets.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:04 PM. Reason : -]

8/9/2006 1:04:27 PM

do you not understand that changing LAWS only affects LAW ABIDING citizens and not LAW BREAKING Criminals??!?!?!?!?!?!!

8/9/2006 1:04:38 PM

^^and you're telling me that denmark doesn't have a worse drug problem than america?

^not when those criminals' guns are taken away from them.

eventually guns will become more difficult to acquire, making them prohibitively expensive for many criminals.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 1:05:18 PM

There are some big cultural differences that probably have some bearing on what crimes are a problem and what crimes aren't.

Probably.

If you banned guns here overnight, do you have any idea what would happen with OUR culture and OUR supply of unregistered guns?

Weeeeeeeee



edit: oh yeah, less gun crime in England. But a lot of people get stabbed.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 1:07:35 PM

criminals are always gonna do that shit, they are criminals. that doesnt mean that every person needs to own certain types of weapons.

just cuz a criminal does it doesnt mean we should let law-abiding citizens do the same so they can stop this phantom terror or have equal rights with a criminal.

8/9/2006 1:08:15 PM

^^i'd much rather be stabbed than shot.

also: who here is saying to ban all guns overnight? oh right, no one.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 1:08:57 PM

you've WTF'd at us a few times for handgun sales tree. explain to me why you need a hangun (specifically) for home defense instead of a hunting weapon.

8/9/2006 1:10:30 PM

ok heres why

Quote :

"just cuz a criminal does it doesnt mean we should let law-abiding citizens do the same"

you're right...not just cuz a criminal does it...because its a constitutional right

btw explain to me why you need an automobile (specifically) instead of riding the bus

8/9/2006 1:12:25 PM

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"^^i'd much rather be stabbed than shot."

You're a dumb ass. If a criminal is going to kill you, dying to a gun is much, much better.

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"also: who here is saying to ban all guns overnight? oh right, no one."

Okay what's your proposed time table for phasing guns out of our hands? Also, what are you going to do about the gang/criminal culture in our country that practically demands the presence of guns?

8/9/2006 1:13:20 PM

^^so everyone should be able to have assault weapons too, because some criminals do?

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ^^]

Quote :

"Okay what's your proposed time table for phasing guns out of our hands? Also, what are you going to do about the gang/criminal culture in our country that practically demands the presence of guns?"

stop the sale of handguns and have far stricter requirements for registration of handguns. confiscate and/or destroy all handguns in violations of said restrictions (and those in the possesion of violent criminals).

and as far as the gun thing goes, are you a proponent of gangs? i would think making guns harder to acquire would reduce the effectiveness of gangs.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:15 PM. Reason : ..]

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:17 PM. Reason : handguns]

8/9/2006 1:13:25 PM

you sound like you are backpeddling. are laws not amendable? do you think everyone should have limitless access to all forms of arms?


you need an automobile because the bus does not have a thorough enough route. it would be unlikely that many could get to work on time. people in NYC for example often use the subway or bus, cuz it is effective and most things are centrally located


[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 1:13:39 PM

^^why not

are the police department and insurance companies going to protect you from everything

^its my constitutional right...i like handguns...what else do you need to know

look at this scenario:

You ban handguns -
--criminals know you dont have a handgun
--you dont know if criminal has a handgun

You dont ban handguns -
--criminals dont know if you have a handgun*
--you dont know if criminal has a handgun

* = intuitive less risk of getting robbed or shot

8/9/2006 1:14:09 PM

ban handguns-
-home invasion has no net change in protection of your family
-if you get robbed on the street you lose what is on you

no ban-
-home invasion has no net change in protection of your family
-if you get robbed on the street you can try and make them run away or keep them until the police arrive. no net change in chance of getting shot.

8/9/2006 1:18:18 PM

Quote :

" stop the sale of handguns and have far stricter requirements for registration of handguns. confiscate and/or destroy all handguns in violations of said restrictions (and those in the possesion of violent criminals). and as far as the gun thing goes, are you a proponent of gangs? i would think making guns harder to acquire would reduce the effectiveness of gangs. "

So you're saying that illegal things are kept out of the hands of gangs, because they're suddenly more expensive?

Drugs?

Making guns harder to acquire doesn't mean it's harder for criminals to get their hands on them. Criminals don't typically buy guns through legal channels. Plus, when they're caught, we confiscate their guns anyway.

8/9/2006 1:21:29 PM

Quote :

"Making guns harder to acquire doesn't mean it's harder for criminals to get their hands on them."

ummm. i beg to differ.

are you saying it's just as easy for a criminal to get an illegal assault weapon as it is a handgun today?

8/9/2006 1:23:00 PM

It might become more difficult for them to get handguns, but there will still be quite a lot of handguns out there. Confiscating them will do practically nothing. This is like saying "if we just catch ALL criminals, crime will go away! see, it's easy guys!"

The fact of the matter is, illegal things still exist in the underground. This will only ensure that they have to go to greater lengths to gain access to a gun, and also ensures that only the more dangerous criminals are the ones armed.

Besides, we can't even stop the massive influx of drugs over our borders. Do you really think we can stop guns from coming in if it came to that?

8/9/2006 1:25:28 PM

canada has more guns per person than us, yet a much smaller percentage of the population gets killed by guns.

what does that say?

I have no problem with guns, i own one from my days in sport shooting. i just have a problem with the morons who are dying to use them on someone.

oh, and:

Quote :

"of course, the liberals would probably pronounce it a tragedy that the family was not bound, raped, robbed, and killed by the intruders. "

suspend for really, really stupid trolling.

[Edited on August 9, 2006 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2006 1:26:55 PM