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"Kay_Yow: Oh, and TGD...we're never gonna get a law school. Not with Elon and UNC-C getting their law schools this year. Let it go "

all the more reason to get one, especially focusing on IT-related law. just make it an extension of UNC's law school to start and we'll take it from there

btw, saw your pic from 2000ish in the new NCCPPR policy report on the UNC BoG

8/18/2006 5:12:43 PM

South of the border has gone downhill bigtime in the past few years

8/18/2006 5:43:49 PM

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"btw, saw your pic from 2000ish in the new NCCPPR policy report on the UNC BoG "

Goodness, I need to get ahold of that report.

8/18/2006 7:18:58 PM

^^^ Why would State want a law school? Do we really want to be associated with lawyers?

8/19/2006 5:55:58 PM

A law school seems like something that’s prestigious. Anything that raises the prominence of ncsu makes my degree from ncsu look a little better. We have a philosophy with a law concentration as a standard pre-law option, and I’m sure that we have poli sci and other degrees that are geared towards law practice too. I think ncsu has a good stock of people, and if they learned law here it might make law practice look better rather than the university worse. I mean States not going to get one so it’s a non-issue, but it doesn't strike me as inherently bad.

UNC Rocky Mount should exist. I grew up in Mayberry, and a lot more people would have went to college if there was a quality one nearby. A lot of the people from small towns seem to be afraid of leaving what they know. If Rocky Mount is at all the same, a good 20 years of higher quality education, might make the city worth going back to some day in its effect on that people through education and experiencing the diversity of meeting people attending the college who came from farther away than having grown up down the street from you (not just its economic effect on the area).

[Edited on August 19, 2006 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

8/19/2006 7:29:44 PM

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"I grew up in Mayberry, and a lot more people would have went to college"

btw, did you "went" to college yourself?

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"South of the border has gone downhill bigtime in the past few years"

exactly. So will this piece of shit knock-off Dolly Parton park (its not even real dolly parton - its her lazy ass brother)

[Edited on August 20, 2006 at 9:10 AM. Reason : s]

8/20/2006 9:08:43 AM

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"Why would State want a law school? Do we really want to be associated with lawyers?"

Besides the fact that we won't get one without ALOT of help.....

Having a law school would create more lawyers, who would eventually run for public office in this state and help push favorable legislation for NCSU and surrounding community much like what the UNC alumni in the General Assembly has done for Chapel Hill. Also, lawyers work in many areas outside of just litigation (business, policy makinig) and can help their alma mater in more ways.

If you don't believe this, just look at how Virginia Tech got into the ACC. They don't have a law school but the governor of VA lobbied the hell out of the VA general assembly/ACC to get the school into the ACC.

UNC Alumni Treasurer Tony Rand is also the Senate Majority Leader, Appropriations chair, Rules Committee Chair and more powerful than the governor himself in alot of ways. I have worked in the GA and I have seen MANY bills going towards UNC CH that were NEVER READ throughout the entire session but quickly added 2 DAYS before the end of session and then passed.

These bills included appropriating 3 million dollars to UNC CH to transfer Magnolia trees in order to make the campus "look more southern"

Another bill sent Approprations to tear down several UNC dorms and rebuild them to "Fit into the aesthetics of the rest of campus"

And my favorite bill (sarcasm) appropriated money for a popular sports hang-out where several football and basketball players visit on Franklin Street. This was a "Historical preservation" bill

8/20/2006 1:29:52 PM

^^^UNC at rocky mount should not exist, just go to fucking ecu or a fucking community college. We don't need a college in every town so people who are scared to leave can get degrees.

[Edited on August 20, 2006 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2006 2:33:43 PM

^^ Uh, that's kinda a skewed perspective. More lawyers does not mean more NCSU-favorable legislation. I mean, what percentage of folks down at the General Assembly are lawyers? (It's not a rhetorical question...I'm seriously curious).

Plus, Benson Kirkman has an NCSU degree and we see where that got us.

8/21/2006 10:17:26 AM

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"Uh, that's kinda a skewed perspective. More lawyers does not mean more NCSU-favorable legislation. I mean, what percentage of folks down at the General Assembly are lawyers? (It's not a rhetorical question...I'm seriously curious)."

Actually, many people with law degrees work in state/federal govt or in corporate business but do not actually work as lawyers. A large percentage of politicians are lawyers because it is a natural field for both.

The catch is that inside the General Assembly, you have senators and representatives who aren't lawyers but the overwhelming majority of committee chairs are made up by those with law degrees who were referred to those positions by their colleagues. Committee chairmen/women have the power among the legislators. Tony Rand is the extreme case. He controls basically every bill that comes through the senate. He can choose whether or not a bill comes before the senate by notioning it into his (Rule) committee and leaving it there until the session is over. This is a loophole that the majority party can use without penalty and pass their own legislation through.

For you question on how many are actually lawyers, here is a list of all the senators.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/memberList.pl?sChamber=Senate

8/21/2006 10:37:21 AM

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"Kay_Yow: I mean, what percentage of folks down at the General Assembly are lawyers? (It's not a rhetorical question...I'm seriously curious)."

Not as many as in the past, hence why the State Bar routinely comes under fire in the General Assembly. But, many legislators who are lawyers wield a decent amount of influence.

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I'd say the main appeal of a local law school would be the technology tie-in. Locate it on Centennial Campus, have SAS, Red Hat, Lenovo etc help underwrite the costs -- NCSU gets a law school, while these companies get strong lawyers with a technology background to help them deal with the repercussions of idiotic legislation, regulations, contracts or anything else that comes up.

It would also be located in the State Capital, where a lot of stuff goes down not only with the General Assembly but also in the courts -- the Wake County Courthouse has a higher volume of cases than any other County in North Carolina, even though Charlotte-Mecklenburg has far more people.

Hell you could even pair it with a MBA program, so that someone would graduate with a MBA and JD in 4 years. Since business expertise is what most engineers have lacked in the first place, that'd be a potent combination. We'd be breeding entrepreneurs and future executives all over the place, and it would help further cement the College of Management's standing.

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on a side note, is the Charlotte law school formally tied to UNC-C? I vaguely think I had read somewhere that it was an indepedent entity not related to UNC at all. 

8/21/2006 1:06:57 PM

^Yes, UNC-Charlotte will have its own law school.

I agree with you about engineer/MBA program. That is the recent trend in public universities (UNC CH especially) that the universities are run by businessmen instead of academics.

8/21/2006 1:37:36 PM

i would support a law school at State it its prime value proposition was IP/Patent law

8/21/2006 1:43:51 PM

"if"

8/21/2006 1:44:12 PM

^^^Most colleges SHOULD be run by business people--who also understand the importance of theory. Upon reviewing his CV, just what part of UNC-CH Chancellor James Moeser's doctorate in music qualifies him to hold such an executive position? The answer is self-evident. In addition, how many times have you encountered directors or department heads that are scientists and would rather be in their labs than dealing with administrative duties?

To spöokyjon: I agree with you about community colleges. Our state needs to get serious about properly funding the North Carolina Community College System, though. Due to the budget surplus, the NCCCS is going to get much-needed money, but it should to be continual.

I hold an AAS from Halifax Community College, and I think that--right now--increasing funding to these types of schools is MORE important than increasing K-12 funding. All we ever hear about is the K-12 teachers and the UNC System, but think of what the NCCCS does for our state and our society: Not only does the NCCCS provide technical and vocational education, but it serves as a network of feeders for transfer students into the UNC System. In addition, the community colleges provide training for fire fighters, EMS personnel, and police officers; and the colleges provide continuing education for professionals such as real estate agents, lawyers, managers, and so on. The colleges of the NCCCS provide many other services, too.

Concerning North Carolina Wesleyan College, I hold a BSBA from the college, but I have mixed feelings about the proposed assimilation, as it were. Part of me wants to see Wesleyan join the UNC System for the funding and a little bit of cachet. Another part of me says, "Hey, the private-payer system has been working--sort of--at Wesleyan. Why screw with it?" I cannot believe I am typing this, but I AGREE with Erskine Bowles' wait-and-see approach on the Wesleyan-UNC proposal. (NB: The study of this issue is going to be expensive, though. I heard about $150,000, but I cannot confirm that amount.)

[Edited on August 25, 2006 at 8:03 PM. Reason : Spacing]

8/25/2006 8:01:22 PM

Wow you've been to all the schools I have been to.

[Edited on August 25, 2006 at 8:16 PM. Reason : Sorry that you had to endure that. ]

8/25/2006 8:05:41 PM

The primary point remains that most UNC schools have become far too overcrowded and largely bureaucratic. Rocky Mount is the next-sized largest "city" not to have a UNC school. Since it's my hometown, I favor the economic boosts (no matter how small) that such a university could provide for the area.

Erskine opposes the idea because he's bitter that Nash County voted for his opponents, Richard Burr and Elizabeth Dole. Also, the county voted against his esteemed former boss, Bill Clinton. It's retribution.

8/26/2006 11:44:58 AM

Unless you know something that I don't, gump, Bowles has been quite noncommittal on the issue in question. He said something to the following effect: If the study comes back in favor of the move, he will support it. If the study comes back against the move, he will fight it.

Of course, politicians and bureaucrats almost always hold public and private positions on the issues. We'll see what happens.

8/31/2006 2:39:34 AM

"Erskine opposes the idea because he's bitter that Nash County voted for his opponents"

I can't imagine more education in a small town moving the town to the right at all.

^So how is that study going?

11/26/2006 11:17:58 AM

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"gump: Erskine opposes the idea because he's bitter that Nash County voted for his opponents, Richard Burr and Elizabeth Dole. Also, the county voted against his esteemed former boss, Bill Clinton. It's retribution."

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

11/26/2006 2:54:18 PM

politics is full of stupid things

11/26/2006 3:58:05 PM

lol at this thread

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i'm debating which comments are the funniest, right now its between the comment that rocky mount is third-world and that erskine is going to torpedo this because the voters in nash county voted for his opponents

quality

this thread truly displays an understanding of the north-eastern corner of north carolina

11/26/2006 5:18:01 PM

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"City on the rise! Rocky Mount! Rocky Mount! City on the rise! Rocky Mount!"

11/26/2006 7:33:38 PM

You can do it all in Rocky Mount!

11/26/2006 8:58:29 PM

i read the first few posts on the first page, then quit b/c i don't have time for all of that, but...

i grew up in rocky mount and graduated high school from rocky mount senior high. i swore on my life that i would not move back here then. after i graduated from ncsu, i moved back. the main reason is that all of my family is here, but rocky mount has made GREAT strides since Floyd. i really thought that RM was circling the drain for a while, but within the last 2 years a lot has changed business-wise here. they tore down tarrytown mall finally and the new sam's club opens on january 18th. we have 3 new shopping centers and new stores, quite a few new restaurants, a new hotel come next fall, and even more restaurants after that. businesses are coming back. things are slowly turning around. nash tech has a very nice new science & technology center. there's a new subdivision out towards weselyan called ford's colony that's attracting people from up north (NY area and out towards ohio) and south (FL). the people coming from up north are younger retirees that want to move south but still want 4 seasons and that can't afford what they want in FL. there are people moving INTO rocky mount, not just out.

there is new construction everywhere here, as long as you stay in nash county.

after moving back to RM and after 3 months of getting a job, i was able to afford to buy a nice house in a nice neighborhood. buy not rent. property is cheap here and you get a lot for your money. i would still be in an apartment & would have been there a long time if i had stayed in the raleigh area. i also don't have to worry about my kids switching schools every year due to reassignment. i am less than an hour from raleigh and 2 hours from the beach. i have extremely easy access to both US64 and I95.

there are a lot of good things about rocky mount now. the same could not have been said after floyd. check back in another 2 years and you will not recognize this city.

that said, UNC-RM would be great for rocky mount. it would obviously bring more college age/young adults to the area, more jobs, more stores, more money. if this change was to happen overnight it would be terrible b/c RM can't support it right now, but that is why a study is being done. if the right steps are taken at the right time, it could turn out to be a very wonderful thing for this town of 55,000 people.

i think this place has potential.

11/26/2006 9:05:07 PM

i don't think we need another school. if ANYTHING we should close down some of the ones we have, i'm looking at you ECU & Charlotte.. the community college system is a GROSSLY underfunded stepchild (see 2000 bond referendum).

11/28/2006 12:13:36 PM

you have to be kidding, choosing those two schools

or else you just have to be uninformed

11/29/2006 3:16:59 AM

NC doesn't need more education, it needs more industry. It has some of the best schools in the country and a huge concentration of college graduates in the RTP area. But it's what, #37 in personal per capita income?

That's NC for you -- every answer to every problem is "education, education, education!"

11/29/2006 4:04:23 AM

two major research schools, twelve medium to small sized schools. makes sense to me. how would you have it?

11/29/2006 8:35:18 AM

Is there a state that doesn't need more industry? I don't think so. North Carolina certainly does.

But I don't see what pointing out the concentration of college graduates in one part of the state (an area which isn't the most populous area of the state, no less) has to do with our ranking in personal per capita income....except to show how egregious the disparity is.

I mean, if we're #37 and we have this huge concentration of college graduates in RTP, what does that say about the rest of the state?

11/29/2006 9:16:51 AM

^

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"Is there a state that doesn't need more industry? I don't think so."

California. We have the world's sixth-largest economy, and the public infrastructure is such a pain.

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" I mean, if we're #37 and we have this huge concentration of college graduates in RTP, what does that say about the rest of the state?"

It doesn't say anything about the rest of the state. It says that NC's metropolitan areas are not big enough or well-developed enough. RTP in particular is a center of academia, but the industrial presence is still lacking. Being in tech myself, I can count on one hand the number of really big companies there that I could work for.

Let's be realistic -- rural areas are what they are. In California, there's basically three big urban centers and miles and miles of commercial farmland in-between. I don't think anyone expects that another LA or SF will magically spring up in that space. But those cities are themselves very well-developed as industrial centers.

In NC the attitude is -- let's have a few anemic metropolitan areas, mostly propped up by state cash, and the rest of the state will be peppered with little small-town clones full of McDonald's, Wendy's, Wal-Mart, etc. When industry flees -- for example, overseas -- let's just put more schools in place without any real business incentives (oh yea, there's bribing Dell -- what a healthy example that sets). Oh yea, and keep raising taxes until kingdom come, especially when the state Democrats fail to control spending (again).

All the voters in NC "go red" on federal issues in the name of "morality/southern values" and they "go blue" locally in the name of bread-and-butter -- education and pork.

From my perspective, NC needs to wean its citizens off its particular brand of state-run hand-to-mouth pork barrel spending, particularly on education. Education doesn't mean shit without a society that's willing to take risks, broaden its own horizons, and grow local businesses.

North Carolinians are for the most part "soft liberals." They want their southern-fried morality, and their hand-outs, in the same package. That's why they have a governor who loves NASCAR and guns, and the lottery too.

11/30/2006 3:10:19 AM

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"mostly propped up by state cash"

elaborate.

11/30/2006 12:34:28 PM

this thread is full of so many LOLers from "insiders" it cracks me up

11/30/2006 12:59:15 PM

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"Having a law school would create more lawyers, who would eventually run for public office in this state and help push favorable legislation for NCSU and surrounding community much like what the UNC alumni in the General Assembly has done for Chapel Hill. Also, lawyers work in many areas outside of just litigation (business, policy makinig) and can help their alma mater in more ways."

Oh... really? Is this like... I don't know.. factual or just a crazy conspiracy theory as to why the man is holding down NCSU?

11/30/2006 1:03:03 PM

I find the comment funny that "you wont recognize RM in a few years" I have lived there my entire life, and even all their campaigns to make it grow in the mid 90s failed, in fact, rocky mount got worse, Hardee's leaving was a huge blow, and now RBC Centura is leaving for Raleigh, Rocky Mount is going nowhere really really fast. Nothing is moving in to replace Hardee's and Centura's corparate jobs left abandoned.

With that being said I could give a shit less if Wesleyan became UNC-Rocky Mount. Honestly without the religious denominations I dont see how you could recruit typical college students to come there, ITS ROCKY FUCKING MOUNT, I know I damn sure wouldnt go to school there, I left for a reason, and Im never going back.

But I agree there are some other worthless universities in the UNC System: Lets look at every single one:

1 NCSU-we kick ass (good)
2 UNC-fags, but they deserve to stay (good)
3 Elizabeth City State- All black college, one of many, they need to consolidate (worthless)
4 East Carolina (community college) University- Hey, everyone needs a backup school (worthless, but needed)
5 Fayetteville State University-another all black college, once again-CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THESE INTO ONE OR TWO PLEASE!!! (Worthless)
6 Winston-Salem State- Another all black school- see previous remarks (worthless)
7 N.C. Central- All black school, yet a good one (good)
8 NC A&T- all black-the other all black schools should be consolidated into this one and NC Central
9 UNC Greensboro- Completely Un-neccessary (worthless)
10 Appalachian State- Hey, the hippies have to go somewhere (good)
11 Western Carolina- Despite its small size, it is actually pretty technology heavy, and its a very nice school (good)
12 UNC-Asheville- Very small/quaint liberal arts school, Its cool just for the novelty (good)
13 UNC Wilmigton- All the rich preppy kids had to go to the beach, and they werent quite good enough for unc, yet too good for ECU, so they serve some purpose I suppose (keep)
14 UNC Pembroke- This is a fucking Joke (worthless)
15 UNC Charlotte- The ECU of the Piedmont (keep it)
16 NC School of the Arts- Very Small, Very Gay (worthless)

So looking at this I say kill Arts, Pembroke, UNC-G, Winston-Salem, Fayetteville, Eliz. City

And then maybe talk about a UNC-Rocky Mount

11/30/2006 4:23:06 PM

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"Bob Ryan: this thread is full of so many LOLers from "insiders" it cracks me up"

I don't know if I qualify, but between ben94gt and Smoker4, I can't help it: LOL.

11/30/2006 6:59:43 PM

^^ you're a child still, and you don't know what you're talking about.

every teenager in RM swears on their life that they're not coming back here. when you grow up a little bit, have different adult priorities, you might understand. i'm not guaranteeing that you will, just that you might.

...but really, you're hilarious.

11/30/2006 8:31:41 PM

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"1 NCSU-we kick ass (good) 2 UNC-fags, but they deserve to stay (good) 3 Elizabeth City State- All black college, one of many, they need to consolidate (worthless) 4 East Carolina (community college) University- Hey, everyone needs a backup school (worthless, but needed) 5 Fayetteville State University-another all black college, once again-CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THESE INTO ONE OR TWO PLEASE!!! (Worthless) 6 Winston-Salem State- Another all black school- see previous remarks (worthless) 7 N.C. Central- All black school, yet a good one (good) 8 NC A&T- all black-the other all black schools should be consolidated into this one and NC Central 9 UNC Greensboro- Completely Un-neccessary (worthless) 10 Appalachian State- Hey, the hippies have to go somewhere (good) 11 Western Carolina- Despite its small size, it is actually pretty technology heavy, and its a very nice school (good) 12 UNC-Asheville- Very small/quaint liberal arts school, Its cool just for the novelty (good) 13 UNC Wilmigton- All the rich preppy kids had to go to the beach, and they werent quite good enough for unc, yet too good for ECU, so they serve some purpose I suppose (keep) 14 UNC Pembroke- This is a fucking Joke (worthless) 15 UNC Charlotte- The ECU of the Piedmont (keep it) 16 NC School of the Arts- Very Small, Very Gay (worthless)"

Man, fuck you racist.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 9:48 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 9:34:33 PM

im not a racist at all, but I dont see the need for 5 state supported black schools. The segment of the black population attending college is not enough to warrant 5 state supported schools. I mean, I dont really understand why we are spending tax dollars to support segregation anyway, because thats what it is, just voluntary segregation. If its that big a deal, than just consolidate the schools into 2 black state supported schools, or just tell them to go to a university with everyone else. I mean, you dont see us having state supported all-white schools, same gender schools, same religion schools, or anything like that, so why support all black schools. It just makes no sense, especially 5 of them.

11/30/2006 10:18:06 PM

Well, ben94gt, let's see:

1. They're Historically Black Colleges and Universities, not "black schools."
2. UNC-Pembroke is a Historically Native American University (formerly known as "Croatan Normal School"); UNC-Greensboro is a Historically Women's College (formerly known as "North Carolina College for Women").
3. They're not segregated. Our governor graduated from one, as a matter of fact and he's as lily white as they come.
4. HBCUs don't exist just to exist. They exist to educate.
5. And, since you know so much about the state's public HBCUs, can you tell me which of the state's five historically black colleges and universities have failed to exceed enrollment numbers?

Oh, and yes, you are a racist.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 11:38 PM. Reason : add]

11/30/2006 11:37:39 PM

I do agree that having a number of HBCU's just segment the resources out so that we have several, relatively ineffective and underfunded universities. By combining NCCU, WSSU and NC A&T we could probably eliminate alot of wasteful duplication of efforts and create create more rigorous academic programs in HBCU's.

11/30/2006 11:49:55 PM

^^^ man fuck you

just because its not worth anything to you doesnt not mean its worthless

on top of all that, you give immature, baseless reasons as why to scrap universities

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 11:51 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 11:50:50 PM

How about this...let's consolidate NC State and UNC...who needs two Research I institutions?

11/30/2006 11:58:01 PM

thats not particularly a great argument

UNC and NCSU are heavily research intensive institutions, with nearly half a billion dollars a year in federal obligations through the National Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation

The five HBCU's combined I believe result in about $15 million in federal funding obligations

Its not a secret that HBCU's are not very intellectually rigorous or research intensive.

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 12:05 AM. Reason : .]

12/1/2006 12:04:39 AM

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

North Carolina A&T alone has $36.8 million in federal grants and contracts.

Try again.

12/1/2006 12:25:13 AM

excuse me, I meant to exclude NC A&T in that figure

although Johnson C. Smith and Shaw get nominal research and development funding as well

12/1/2006 12:55:23 AM

this is seriously one of the funniest fucking threads i've ever sat back and watched

so many self-pwnts that i don't even have time to call them out

i'm so glad i added this to my topics

LETS TAKE RANDOM STATS AND ARGUABLE FACTS AND USE THEM AGAINST SCHOOLS LIKE THAT ONE GUY DID

lol unc-w reports that only 16% of their graduates have a major-related job withing 6 months of graduating
eliz.city state reports 50%

LETS CLOSE UNC-W AND MAKE ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE DRIVE TO ELIZABETH CITY

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 1:35 AM. Reason : seriously, this is classic]

12/1/2006 1:26:07 AM

I think it's particularly funny...this latest rant about "black schools"...when:

% of white students at NC HBCUs > % of black students at "white schools"

So, which schools are segregated again?

But, I digress.

Scuba Steve, I'd appreciate if you could provide some documentation (IPEDS reports perhaps) to back up your $15 million suggestion.



[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 1:37 AM. Reason : add]

12/1/2006 1:35:50 AM

It's ok to have some schools "for the novelty" as long as the schools aren't historically black. What a fucking racist.

12/1/2006 9:52:31 AM

educating preppies and hippies are a necessity

12/1/2006 2:29:15 PM