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10/1/2006 2:36:41 PM

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"Sixteen-year-olds should certainly have the right to consent to sex."

with people not much older than them i agree, but not with people much older

10/1/2006 2:37:21 PM

Amazing how Randy just disappeared in this thread...wonder what his response is now?

10/1/2006 3:30:49 PM

^i just posted you fool.

i said it once, ill say it again. there is no place for this man in public office no matter what his affiliation is.

10/1/2006 3:33:55 PM

his gods are pedophiles. there have been lots of democrats w. bad shit.....but none of them were pedophiles

thats sick.

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 3:34 PM. Reason : 234]

10/1/2006 3:33:58 PM

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"pedophiles, homosexuals, beastials, whats the difference really?"

I hate even dignifying this with an answer because I know you are just a troll, but here goes.
Pedophilia is generally considered non-consentual. A child is incapable of comprehending the situation and giving consent to being sexually violated. Beastiality is also non-consentual. Homosexuality, however, is between two consenting parties who are perfectly capable of being responsible for their actions. There is your difference. Thanks for playing.

10/1/2006 4:27:03 PM

But if you view them all as sexual immorality, does it really matter? Those are my beliefs, attack if you must, I know you will.

10/1/2006 4:38:25 PM

sexually immoral /= illegal.

and you have no problem attacking homosexuals' beliefs, but hate it when yours are??
Cry me a fucking river.



[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 4:42 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2006 4:41:43 PM

what things you do in your own home are your business. i personally think that we have a tradition of morality to follow in our lawmaking in this country. you miht not belive that. oh well, looks like we disagree. thats democracy. if enough people choose to support a law, such as an amendment defining marriage, then so be it. thats democracy, live with it. if you want things to the contrary, find enough people to back you. you havent been able to so far. you lost in 2004 when we voted based on values, and you will hopefully lose again this year.

10/1/2006 4:45:54 PM

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"if enough people choose to support a law, such as an amendment defining marriage, then so be it. thats democracy, live with it. if you want things to the contrary, find enough people to back you. you havent been able to so far. you lost in 2004 when we voted based on values, and you will hopefully lose again this year."

so is it alright if we enslave blacks so long as a majority supports it?

10/1/2006 4:50:04 PM

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"what things you do in your own home are your business. i personally think that we have a tradition of morality to follow in our lawmaking in this country. you miht not belive that. oh well, looks like we disagree."

I believe this country should show dedication to civil morality, taking into consideration not just a majority rule, but the freedoms of the people as well. Gay people aren't hurting anyone by being gay, and they aren't hurting your religion by being involved in a civil union or a marriage. Pedophiles and people practicing beastiality are not the same, as HockeyRoman noted, even from a sexual morality standpoint.

10/1/2006 4:57:22 PM

hey, rick santorum thinks so

10/1/2006 4:59:07 PM

so if the majority of us want to ban Randy is that cool?

10/1/2006 5:33:47 PM

Banning him would only vindicate him.

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 5:41 PM. Reason : ed]

10/1/2006 5:41:10 PM

bottom line:i believe we have a moral tradition to uphold, thats all. i do not stand alone.

10/1/2006 5:42:54 PM

good comeback.

10/1/2006 5:46:28 PM

answer my question randy.

10/1/2006 5:47:27 PM

moral tradition?

so we should all sleep with black slaves?

AND CHEAT ON OUR WIVES!

10/1/2006 5:51:17 PM

im not going to bother answering a ridiculous question like that. im not the one equating slavery and homosexuality in this situation. i believe both are wrong.

10/1/2006 5:53:32 PM

as you said though, if the majority wants something they should be able to have it right?

10/1/2006 5:57:02 PM

Randy, just tell me why homosexuality is sexually immoral.

10/1/2006 6:01:24 PM

ladies rubbin on each others tittie balls is gross

10/1/2006 6:29:00 PM

Because his Bible tells him so.

10/1/2006 6:29:16 PM

my bible told me that killing was wrong

10/1/2006 6:31:18 PM

because hes a closet homo who hates himself

10/1/2006 6:32:22 PM

shhh shhhh, don't scare it away, I want to hear him answer.

10/1/2006 6:34:18 PM

Now, I’m not saying heterosexuality is wrong… but maybe being exclusively heterosexual is. I mean its in all the holy books, take a look at your homer & hesiod, the gods are fairly often kicking it with the boys. Zeus and Ganymede. Hercules leaving Jason and the Argonauts to go look for his bf. Even pure Artemis likes bathing with her lady friends…I mean the Greco-Roman gods are from a religion that’s older than Christianity, off which western civilization was started & has based its morals, laws, and governments (democracy).

10/1/2006 6:44:44 PM

what the hell kind of nerdy answer was that

10/1/2006 6:57:52 PM

The kind designed to show that an appeal to authority, especially of the religious variety, isn’t a very good argument for calling something immoral, especially when coming from a religion that steals/retells stories like the flood story, the moses architype story, the holy couple surviving the flood and repopuating the earth, the woman being the fall of man (pandora), the crown of thorns, serpent/goatlike satan figure, immaculate conception, demi-god ascending to heaven, and so much other that you would find in the Greco-roman religion, zoroastrianism, the gilgamesh story etc.

10/1/2006 7:07:19 PM

way to go dork

10/1/2006 7:14:21 PM

I'm sorry to have to defend Randy, because I hate to do that.

But it IS ok to decide you feel something is immoral because your religion tells you it is.

I don't think its okay to impose it on everyone else unless you have a valid, societal reason that doesn't appeal to religion (like murder, theft, etc.) but it is perfectly fine to appeal to whatever God you worship or Holy Book you want to appeal to.

It seems to me you guys are hell-bent on imposing your morals on him, as well as the other way around.

10/1/2006 7:39:15 PM

I'm not trying to get him to BE gay, or marry a man, or start talking to his long lost homosexual brother again. I'm certainly not trying to create legislation that would force him to do anything, or take away any of his personal rights. I don't care what he believes, what he wants to teach his children, how much he wants to put in the plate at church. I'm just interested in his pursuit to legislate the freedoms of all homosexuals in this country based on a religious belief. I fail to see how that is forcing my beliefs on him, I would say at the most I am asking him to ignore homosexuals as they ignore those that hate them for virtualy no reason.

10/1/2006 7:49:27 PM

i wish people would stop enforcing freedom on me.

GET OUT MY BISNAS!

10/1/2006 7:53:40 PM

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"But it IS ok to decide you feel something is immoral because your religion tells you it is. "

its always funny how conservatives think. they believe things without reasons, they are told something, and just on the basis of authority, they believe.

10/1/2006 7:56:57 PM

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"Randy, just tell me why homosexuality is sexually immoral."

Oh, I thought you just asked that. I guess I missed the part where you asked why it was okay to legislate it.

10/1/2006 8:00:07 PM

and you answered for him, as well as added this:

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"It seems to me you guys are hell-bent on imposing your morals on him, as well as the other way around."

which I also responded to.

10/1/2006 8:03:05 PM

THE STRAIGHT MALE IS UNDER ATTACK

10/1/2006 8:04:07 PM

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"its always funny how conservatives think. they believe things without reasons, they are told something, and just on the basis of authority, they believe."

Who is to say that a conservative doesn't come up with his or her own conclusions based on reason and logic which leads them to believe in God and the Bible?

Just because you are faithless doesn't mean that you have the position to demean those who believe.

10/1/2006 8:10:43 PM

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"Who is to say that a conservative doesn't come up with his or her own conclusions based on reason and logic which leads them to believe in God and the Bible?"

because thats not what he said, dipship. try reading.

10/1/2006 8:12:02 PM

^^the comment quoted there only proves the ignorance of some liberals on here. who is to say you dont believe what you believe just b/c someone told it to you and you took it as fact?

i feel that we have a precedent to hold up. the cornerstone of the family is the mother and father. it has been that way since the dawn of time. it has been the cornerstone of every successful society. why do you feel the need to demean those who feel that way? Similar forms of impure sex, be it pedophila, bestiality, they all have no place as the cornerstones of a successful, moral society either. to me, they are all detrimental.

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 8:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/1/2006 8:15:16 PM

If by "he" you really mean "josh8315" then WTF do you mean?

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 8:17 PM. Reason : ]

10/1/2006 8:16:16 PM

Josh, please let someone that isnt trying to be a sad leech on the bottom of your opponents argue this.

10/1/2006 8:17:23 PM

Randy:

A) since when are we talking about holding familys together???

B)

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"the cornerstone of the family is the mother and father."

does that mean you are against single parents as well?

10/1/2006 8:18:13 PM

im very religious and liberal and i still think you are an idiot

10/1/2006 8:18:35 PM

who?

V no problem.

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 8:20 PM. Reason : .]

10/1/2006 8:19:08 PM

randy, sorry

10/1/2006 8:19:33 PM

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". who is to say you dont believe what you believe just b/c someone told it to you and you took it as fact?"

i dont believe anything unless i have a reason to. are you saying you believe things just becuase youre told them?

10/1/2006 8:20:35 PM

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"does that mean you are against single parents as well?"

the most successful children are best raised by a loving family with a mother and father. its the absence of fathers that has contributed to some of our urban decay.

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"im very religious and liberal and i still think you are an idiot"

i dont want to demean your faith or anything, but have you considered whether or not your politics contradict your religion before? just a thought.

[Edited on October 1, 2006 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

10/1/2006 8:22:02 PM

So I take it you are against homosexuals adopting, but what do non-adopting gay couples have to do with any of your past few posts Randy?

10/1/2006 8:30:55 PM

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"the most successful children are best raised by a loving family with a mother and father. its the absence of fathers that has contributed to some of our urban decay."

i agree 100%. but the same studies that proved THIS WAS TRUE also showed that any two loving parents were better then one or NONE, even if gay.

10/1/2006 8:36:10 PM