College Basketball > College Football = NFL > NBA = NHL > Baseball > Golf > NASCAR >>>>>>> Soccer

10/10/2006 12:29:29 PM

I would throw out a few rankings of my own:

College basketball > NBA basketball, though NBA is not bad

NFL > College Football but its a close one...D-1A football NEEDS A PLAYOFF

Baseball is better than soccer and hockey

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10/10/2006 12:39:05 PM

Retarded thread.

You sound like someone that always got picked last on the court for PE class in high school.

10/10/2006 12:43:34 PM

In other competetive sports, like swimming, running (sprints and x country) and gymnastics, How far you can go is directly related to your body make up. This is usually the case for most sports, it just so happens that a certain body type fits some occupations better than others.

Actually, there are only a handful of sports that I can think of where this is not the case: golf, baseball, and maybee tenis.

10/10/2006 3:15:13 PM

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"You are so right. Sincerely yours, Mugsy Bogues Nate Robinson Early Boykins Spudd Webb Chris Paul Raymond Felton Steve Nash Mark Price etc. "

You do realize that Steve Nash is 6'3" and Felton is 6'1"

last time I checked that wasn't "small"

10/10/2006 3:25:28 PM

And I'm 6'1".

I promise you that I won't be ballin' in the NBA any time soon.

10/10/2006 4:25:00 PM

but as PG's you dont need to be overly tall, and 6'1" to 6'3" is tall enough for a PG. So taking into account his statement about short, great players, they are actually fairly tall for their position

10/10/2006 5:43:59 PM

this thread is retarded. how big was schenser or whatever his name was for g tech. he was a fucking monster.......HUGE wingspan. that mother fucker is probably washing dishes at your local applebees. you have to have coordination as well, and that takes TONS of hard work and practice. if you have the body type, you still need work ethic to up your skill/coordination, and if you dont have the body type, you just have to bust your ass endlessly to keep up.

10/10/2006 6:20:15 PM

I would agree with this thread even though basketball is my favorite sport to watch

however you're just talking strictly about pro, basketball is an easy game to organize and play and I've seen some fatasses do pretty well if they have a great 3 pt shot

assuming football is different however is rediculous, do you realize how how natural fucking strong you have to be to be a linemen, I mean sure the guys work out like crazy but I'm they were all benching 350 before they ever picked up a weight

not to mention most of the good receivers these days have practically 40inch verticals, and you need a lot of genetics to be fast too

10/10/2006 9:00:07 PM

Is the issue basketball as a sport?

Or the NBA as a joke?

This thread is ridiculous

10/10/2006 9:05:20 PM

I could have sworn that steve smith being fast as shit got him there.

10/10/2006 9:10:46 PM

what about the fastest guy in the world? why is he running track and not making millions on contract? speed isnt everything, you have to have the ability to get open, and then make the catch, even if the ball isnt exactly where it needs to be. i remember when steve smith was a nobody with a fumbling problem......he didnt become a great receiver overnight.

10/11/2006 6:47:53 AM

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"You do realize that Steve Nash is 6'3" and Felton is 6'1" last time I checked that wasn't "small""

Felton might be 6 foot even and really doubt Steve Nash is 6'3" (fuck listed heights). But that's beside the point. The creator of the thread is talking about tall, long mofos like Cedric Simmons.

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"peed isnt everything, you have to have the ability to get open, and then make the catch, even if the ball isnt exactly where it needs to be."

True...but Alvis Whitted wouldn't have sniffed an NFL team if he was so-so fast like J-Co, instead of being a world class sprinter.

10/11/2006 7:20:13 AM

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"schenser or whatever his name was for g tech. he was a fucking monster.......HUGE wingspan. that mother fucker is probably washing dishes at your local applebees"

wrong. he's about to make the bulls roster for the second year in a row. scott skiles says that he's still a project, but that he'll be a solid reserve one day. we'll see

10/11/2006 8:03:32 AM

and had it not been for his height, if he were a 6'7" guy... he'd be washing the dishes at applebees.

10/11/2006 8:38:30 AM

I see what you're saying about the freaks of nature just get picked cause they're tall and how people thinks that means you're a great basketball player. Gheorge Muresan, Michael Olowokandi, and Shawn Bradley come to mind.

My other college Purdue once had a Dutchman named Matt ten Dam. The guy was 7-foot-2 and was the absolute worst waste of a scholarship I had ever seen. He was the 12th man and I remember him getting into a game late and he promptly bricked a dunk.

One way to look at it though is assume that every NBA team needs a 7-footer. Well, there are only so many 7-footers around. So the talent required to be a center in the NBA is less than the talent of a comparable position where height is not a requirement, like say the point guard, just cause there's a smaller pool of talent to pull from.

10/11/2006 9:02:02 AM

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"every NBA team needs a 7-footer"

true. and every NFL team needs a 6-4+ offensive tackle or 6-6 DT

10/11/2006 9:29:18 AM

That's not necessarily true. I'd take speed over girth or height any day on the line. Plus, the taller someone is, the higher his center of gravity, meaning it's easier to get him off balance and get around him or keep him away from the QB.

[Edited on October 11, 2006 at 9:37 AM. Reason : /]

10/11/2006 9:35:34 AM

every team in the NFL has 6'7" tackles, offensive or defensive

10/11/2006 9:42:26 AM

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"this is a fact. There really can't be any debate over it."

Opinion =/= fact. Venturing that basketball teams draft more on physical qualities than on practice and hardwork is not fact. You have to have proof, which you don't, so yeah.... lets debate...


Sports, due to their very nature of athletic competitions, require physical gifts. If you have two guys who run a 4.5 second 40 yd dash, one whom has perfect running mechanics and the other who doesn't, which do you choose? You take the bad mechanics dude, b/c in theory you can work with that guy and make him faster by perfecting his mechanics. At all levels you can find excellent work ethic among those who play it. At lower levels it's possible to have fewer physical gifts but make up for it with hard work. At a professional level however it's much more imperative to have physical gifts. I might have a better free throw % than Shaq (and I might actually :beatup, but without a 7 ft. I'll never be as good as he is playing center.

The demand for physical abilities may be EASIER to see in the NBA, but they are not more pronounced. Lineman in the NFL must be ~300 lbs. Don't bother trying out if you aren't. How about a pitcher who can't throw it 90+mph? Some people simply have the potential to throw that fast, but most don't. In horse racing, you MUST be a small dude to be a jockey. I can go on, but you get the point.

To play you have to have the right combo of talent, physical gifts, and work ethic. If you don't have talent or work ethic, that at least you can POTENTIALLY change. Physical gifts on the other hand are not.

10/11/2006 1:21:46 PM

10/11/2006 1:25:52 PM

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"In football, a 5'9 1/2" steve smith is one of the premier receivers in the land... hard work and determination got him there."

And most of the best WRs are taller...ie Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson...all of them work hard and are blessed with great physical ability

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"In baseball, an overweight Atlanta closer can get a top job in MLB because of endless arm conditioning routines and pitch practice."

And natural ability

10/11/2006 1:25:58 PM

your life is subpar

10/11/2006 2:31:33 PM

This thread is completely stupid.

Football relies much more on athleticism than basketball.

Almost every player in the NFL is quick. That is 90% genetics. I can work my fucking knutesac off everyday in the gym and Im never going to be faster than any of the 260-340 lb DE's in the 40 yard dash.

On the other hand I can practice shooting (muscle memory) and become a better 3-pt shooter than probably 20-30% of the NBA. No, I won't become a better shooter than Redick because he obviously has some god-given ability in that category. No, I won't become a better shooter than Michael Redd because he's way taller than me and he puts in thousands of hours shooting. But I'm certainly a better shooter than Shaq, Cedric Simmons, etc

Different positions require different skill sets. Cedric Simmons doesn't spend a lot of time practicing 3pt shooting for the same reason Randy Moss doesn't spend much time practicing tackling.

If you don't think Simmons has worked hard at improving his skill set you are absolutely nuts. Look how much his low-post game improved in one year. Look how much his FT% improved. That guy probably worked harder in the offseason between his Fr and Soph year than you have worked in your entire college career on your future professional skills.


[Edited on October 11, 2006 at 4:01 PM. Reason : a]

10/11/2006 4:00:03 PM

what I'm wondering is...

let's say, for the sake of argument, that the guy who made this thread IS right and since basketball is played above ground more than the other sports... there is a premium on height in basketball moreso than speed/hand-eye/quickness/cup size in other sports.

even if this is true, why does that make the sport subpar? it is still really really fun to watch and really really fun to play. it is no less fun to talk about, analyze, or dissect than any other sport. (except baseball, but that's something else).

Is pitching a subpar aspect of baseball because you have to be able to throw the ball, say, 85-88 at the very least to become a major league pitching prospect?

10/11/2006 4:47:03 PM

this is the dumbest thread i have read in months

10/11/2006 7:23:59 PM

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"That guy probably worked harder in the offseason between his Fr and Soph year than you have worked in your entire college career on your future professional skills."

Thats a bit presumptious, eh, dickhead?

10/11/2006 8:46:30 PM

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"Thats a bit presumptious, eh, dickhead?"

Not really. Just think about it.

10/11/2006 9:02:37 PM