dadgum 1st Ammendment. i forgot how wet the soap box can make me

10/16/2006 11:44:07 PM

a certain mod isnt an idiot, knew and realized full well the consequences, but bitches cant take a pill every day and people arent perfect. its called reality. come deal with it. people fuck. it happens. you cant stop it.

10/16/2006 11:44:58 PM

Sorry. I just got a "Sex-Ed, no prayer in school, and Bill Clinton caused the school shootings" chain email from my mother. It was fresh on my mind.


^ ahah, kissing up to the Mod, JoshNumbersandLetters?

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 11:46:11 PM

CLINTON CAUSES ABORTIONS

NOBODY KNEW ABOUT SEX BEFORE CLINTON CAME ALONG

10/16/2006 11:47:06 PM

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"but bitches cant take a pill every day and people arent perfect. its called reality."

and reality dictates that you accept the consequences for your forgetfulness. Namely, pregnancy.

10/16/2006 11:47:59 PM

and as long as the embryo or fetus doesnt resemble a human person, feel pain or think, anyone should be free to end its life.

10/16/2006 11:49:08 PM

And reality dictates that this doesn't even resemble the original argument.

So who wants to keep supporting this statement:

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"unless the mother's life is in danger, which is never the case, because you can always have a C-section and do those kinds of things."

10/16/2006 11:49:25 PM

^^ yay. you are now changing the topic. that's what people do when they lose. And you'll come back and say "but I'm talking about abortion," and I'll say "yeah, but not the facet of it that we were discussing and on which I trashed you."

and hey, boonedocks, I'll agree, O'Reilly is a bit of a douche for that statement, yet it still has some merits.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:50 PM. Reason : ]

10/16/2006 11:50:11 PM

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"yet it still has some merits."

oreily for kids.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:52 PM. Reason : 5]

10/16/2006 11:51:40 PM

The reason why this thread was worth posting in was because it addressed an aspect of abortion that I haven't seen argued.

Unfortunately you and WP4L made a run for the same-old same-old unwinnable cripple fight you're used to when you were proven wrong

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 11:55 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2006 11:54:51 PM

there is one recurring thing among anti-abortionists. they know nothing about biology.

10/16/2006 11:55:55 PM

Well now I feel stupid, because I thought this guy was actually being serious.

Then I read "and as long as the embryo or fetus doesnt resemble a human person, feel pain or think"

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"So who wants to keep supporting this statement:"

Was anyone ever supporting it?

I mean, Randy doesn't count.

10/16/2006 11:55:56 PM

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" But it bears reiterating that an infinitessimally small portion of abortions have anything to do with the mother's life being in danger"

10/16/2006 11:58:48 PM

Saying that is in every aspect different from saying, "A C-section will fix the problem!"

every aspect

You fail at the wolf web

10/17/2006 12:01:52 AM

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"But it bears reiterating "

A FALSE STATEMENT

learn some biology.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 12:04 AM. Reason : 5]

10/17/2006 12:04:02 AM

It was reiterated because I know I've seen it said before on this board.

Now, I've offered support for my position. You've yet to offer any for yours. Because, while 1 in 40 pregnancies may be ectopic, these do not all require induced abortion. Or are we counting miscarriages now?

10/17/2006 12:08:23 AM

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"there is one recurring thing among anti-abortionists. they know nothing about biology."

there is one recurring thing among pro-murderists: they know nothing of personal responsibility.

I can make blanket, insanely stupid comments, too. doesn't make the statement any truer.

10/17/2006 12:09:29 AM

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"Surgery (laparotomy) is done to stop blood loss (in the event of a rupture). This surgery is also done to confirm the diagnosis of ectopic pregnancy, remove the abnormal pregnancy, and repair any tissue damage. In some cases, removal of the fallopian tube may be necessary."

youre fucking loony and need to learn a little about modern medicine.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000895.htm

removal of a fetus? yea lets call that something different then abortion....

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 12:11 AM. Reason : 5]

10/17/2006 12:10:28 AM

i think someone has an inferiority complex wrt biology and medicine and his opponents. Because all this person can do is say "MEDICINE! BIOLOGY!!! OMFG!!!"

Meanwhile, he fails to actually address anything his opponent says.

10/17/2006 12:16:10 AM

so, is my cousin evil for aborting her fetus that was developing without a heart of head?

10/17/2006 12:25:35 AM

that depends. are you the father?

10/17/2006 12:26:31 AM

Yes, I raped my cousin and it was an incesstous baby developing without a head or heart.

10/17/2006 12:30:20 AM

oh, she is definitely evil, then.

10/17/2006 12:33:42 AM

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"removal of a fetus? yea lets call that something different then abortion...."

Most people seem perfectly willing to do so. An ectopic fetus has -0- chance of being brought to term. Even by pro-life standards, removing them is not the same as killing them. They are, in essence, already dead.

Besides that, your site doesn't mention how many of them are simply miscarried, never developing far enough to really be noticed. Further, it doesn't say whether or not it took such incidents into account when it gave its 1 in 40 figure -- and I'm willing to bet it didn't.

10/17/2006 12:40:45 AM

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"Even by pro-life standards"

O RLY?

if youve read anything a pro-lifer has ever said, you would know that they almost all consider the union of a sperm and egg to be the begining of human life.

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"i think someone has an inferiority complex wrt biology and medicine and his opponents. Because all this person can do is say "MEDICINE! BIOLOGY!!! OMFG!!!""

yea well, when your opponents simlpy have no knowledge, its a fairly simple win.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 12:43 AM. Reason : 5]

10/17/2006 12:42:36 AM

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"if youve read anything a pro-lifer has ever said, you would know that they almost all consider the union of a sperm and egg to be the begining of human life. "

Yeah

I know.

But in this case, it is simultaneously the end of the same human life.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 12:47 AM. Reason : ]

10/17/2006 12:47:27 AM

no, the fetus doesnt die until several weeks later.

learn some english then learn some biology.

they dont happen at the same time. many pro-lifers define human persons as zygotes. it doesnt matter where they are. hence the opposition to stem cell reserach. they are no more likely to be grown people then a fetus in a fallopian tube.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 12:52 AM. Reason : 5]

10/17/2006 12:50:06 AM

I get that

I really, really do

I believe I've given up on you, you don't seem to want to read what is presented before you.

10/17/2006 12:52:13 AM

I accept your surrender.

10/17/2006 12:53:15 AM

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"yea well, when your opponents simlpy have no knowledge, its a fairly simple win."

aaaaaaaand another cop-out. keep up the good work!

10/17/2006 12:54:44 AM

10/17/2006 12:54:55 AM

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"aaaaaaaand another cop-out. keep up the good work!"

aaaaaaaand another cop-out. keep up the good work!

10/17/2006 12:55:06 AM

trollery at it's best

10/17/2006 12:56:06 AM

suspend for posting no substance^

10/17/2006 12:57:18 AM

this thread went from being somewhat reasonable to being down right retarded

10/17/2006 1:48:54 AM

I don't like J#'s new alias any better than the original J#.

10/17/2006 7:45:35 AM

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"maybe if people actually took freaking responsibility for their stinking actions and realized that SEX has more consequences than a cum stain on a blue dress then we wouldn't need to worry about silly little things like abortions as birth control and such..."

awww we woke up aaronburro. . ..
and it looks like he's not getting any and wants to lash out at those who do.

10/17/2006 8:11:26 AM

I get laid and I see his point.

10/17/2006 8:19:33 AM

yeah i see his piont too. but it took this to get him posting again. and i've seen him in person. dude ain't gettin' laid.

10/17/2006 8:20:20 AM

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"maybe if people actually took freaking responsibility for their stinking actions and realized that SEX has more consequences than a cum stain on a blue dress then we wouldn't need to worry about silly little things like abortions as birth control and such..."

See that's the thing, though. The people who want to nix abortion are the same people that want to make sure that kids grow up without learning anything about sex other than that it's dark evil and horrible unless you're married. That's not realistic. Kids are gonna screw, but no one wants to educate them about the screwing and the ways they can be smart about it.

10/17/2006 11:59:03 AM

GrumpyGOP 1 - Jo73ji2 0

10/17/2006 12:57:03 PM

GrumpyGOP 2 - Jo73ji2 0

10/17/2006 3:16:22 PM

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"Besides that, your site doesn't mention how many of them are simply miscarried, never developing far enough to really be noticed. "

no understanding of biology. you lose. its too easy.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 5:16 PM. Reason : 5 ]

10/17/2006 5:10:29 PM

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"See that's the thing, though. The people who want to nix abortion are the same people that want to make sure that kids grow up without learning anything about sex other than that it's dark evil and horrible unless you're married."

Not all of us. I want to nix abortions (where the life of the mother is not threatened and the child is not a product of rape or incest) and I'm ok with a comprehensive sexual education program where birth control and safe sex are discussed.

I'd rather the parent's did it, since its their job to decide if their kid should be okay with premarital sex or should find it a horrific idea. But fuck it, parents don't do anything anymore.

10/17/2006 10:12:15 PM

no, most parents do not.

10/17/2006 10:15:31 PM

Is there anything wrong with the belief that abortion is morally wrong, but shouldn't be illegal?

10/17/2006 10:30:22 PM

many immoral things arent illegal. adultry, is legal.

10/17/2006 10:35:25 PM

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"Is there anything wrong with the belief that abortion is morally wrong, but shouldn't be illegal?"

No, there is nothing wrong with that belief.

However, if you feel it is morally wrong because it is murder (as many people do) then there can be some internal conflict about it.

But, you can always make exceptions that suit your tastes. That's your prerogative. For instance, it is very similar to murder to help a chronically ill person die, but I'm ok with it.

I have a feeling a lot of Americans feel the same way as you. They think it IS immoral, but they think it has benefits and is convenient and therefore think it should be kept legal. And some that think that its morally wrong, but don't want to force others to follow that moral judgment.

I'm one that thinks it is ok to make people follow that moral judgment, because it infringes upon the rights of another human being by taking away their life.

10/17/2006 10:47:36 PM

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" However, if you feel it is morally wrong because it is murder (as many people do)"

murder is fine as long as the state agrees on it--you support elective war and the death penalty. so murder, even if its abortion, is fine, if its legal, by your beliefs.



[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 10:53 PM. Reason : g]

10/17/2006 10:51:46 PM

If abortion were made illegal, I wouldn't shed a tear.

But I don't think the gov. should have rules so specific about peoples' lives. On the list of things that trouble society, abortion is pretty far down for the gov. to spend time, money and resources on what is basically catering to the religious right. Why not go after other more pressing social problems like crime, poverty, racism, social security, falling test scores, income gaps, etc., the things that affect more people?

Hating abortion is an easy way to get votes, just like hating gays, but it's not a big issue overall. It's really only due to brilliant marketing that we even discuss it here.

People are talking about how the argument that the people that abortion helps is irrelevantly small, when really the amount of people having abortions is irrelevantly small. Abortion gets a disproportionate amount of attention. It's like if the gov. decided to make legislation in releasing balloons filled with helium was right or not. Even if it's proven to be bad, does the gov. really need to make legislation about it?

10/17/2006 10:55:49 PM