1080p is overpriced currently for the slight advantage it offers and unless you have a blu-ray player there arent too many true 1080p offerings

11/24/2006 3:33:24 PM

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"teh_toch "

11/24/2006 3:45:56 PM

Look folks, it's official.

If you own anything other than a plasma, you're a moron.

I'm sorry, but it's true.

11/24/2006 7:25:15 PM

^

CRT?

11/24/2006 7:26:43 PM

Edit: If you own anything other than a plasma or CRT, you're a moron.

I'm just a little caught up in the hype, but really anything with that even remotely involves phosphors gets me a little hard.

11/24/2006 7:45:37 PM

I would like get a 37" lcd hd at some point. 37" is the biggest I can fit in my entertainment unit.

11/25/2006 10:19:29 AM

What is the pricing forecast for TVs these days? I heard (read, actually) some LCD manufacturers are cutting back on equipment invest because of prices falling. This makes me think that the TVs aren't going to continue on the same rate of price decline in the foreseeable future. I was going to go with a 42" LCD but this thread made me a plasma convert.

11/25/2006 10:35:39 AM

I can't wait to get my plasma tv.

No one answered me on the thousand dollar viore tv.... I bet it's not so grand...

11/25/2006 7:20:24 PM

i bought the 50" toshiba and the tv stand after camping out at best buy and good lord was it worth it. hd cable looks incredible and i don't even have an hdmi cable yet...hd dvd is amazing and gears of war is a completely different game after playing on an old 47" panasonic hd projection tv.

plasma is teh w1nz

11/25/2006 8:39:27 PM

If something says it's resolution is 1024x768p but then says "Supported Display Resolution
Video Formats (resolution / refresh rate) : 480p / 60Hz, 480i / 60Hz, 720p / 60Hz, 1080i / 60Hz " Does that simply mean it'll transfer any type of resolution listed there into the 1024x768p? That's what I think it's saying but I may be wrong.

My bf is hard set on finding a tv with 1080 resolution and I'm not finding it.

11/29/2006 6:14:32 PM

^

Youre exactly correct. You now know more about tvs than 90% of the population.

11/29/2006 6:16:07 PM

Thanks. So basically, from what I've found on the internet, the highest and most abundent resolution set is 1024x768p.

Why the hubbub about the 1080 crap then if it's a hard and overpriced object to find? Blargh. We're just trying to get the most bang for our buck. So far I like what the Philips company offers....minus the Ambilight.. Pioneer looks incredible but the burn-in rate won't make it last 10 years. We went to Best Buy last night and Philips seemed to have vivid colors. Surprisingly Samsung and Sony looked decent but their websites suck.

Also, holy shit to an HDMI cable being so goddamn expensive. Is it one of those items that will really improve your visual quality if you buy top of the line?

11/29/2006 6:22:19 PM

^most people i've talked to who swear by monster cables say that the hdmi is about the only one that doesn't make a difference...you can get a 6ft hdmi at amazon or tigerdirect for less than $17

11/29/2006 6:35:08 PM

1024x768 is only common on 40" plasma tvs (rectangular pixals "RGB"). 16:9 LCDs are 1280x720,1366*768, or 1920x1080.

You dont need an expensive hdmi cable. You can order something inexpensive off http://www.monoprice.com. Their most expensive offering will still be cheaper than anything local.

HDMI is nice but dont waste 70$ because you cant wait 5 days for something to ship.

If the cable is bad and your bit error rate is too high you will notice sparkly like effects in the image.

11/29/2006 6:37:36 PM

^bookmarked...thank ya Quinn...i'm kind of proud of myself for doing some research because i haven't made myself look like an idiot or been told to use google yet in the plasma threads

11/29/2006 6:47:20 PM

^^ It's exactly like buying a Hyundai instead of a Honda. They're both cars, right, so they must do the exact same job the exact same way, right? Why in the world would I spend $70 on a Honda, when I can get a Hyundai five days later for $17?

Kiwi, just our of curiosity, are you not finding all of the specifications, model numbers, resolutions, interconnect types, etc. to be a tad overwhelming? Are you truly "just trying to get the most bang for your buck", or are you looking for the cheapest way you can possibly get into a HDTV? There's a pretty big difference. Regardless of what anyone tells you, the nicer interconnect you buy, the better the signal is at the other end. Whether or not the increase in quality is worth the extra money is for you to determine, not anyone else. If you're really looking to get the most for your money, you should absolutely consider a $70 HDMI cable - $70 is 3rd grade allowance money compared to what they can cost. For example, I often sell a particular 10-ft HDMI cable for $450, and the same manufacturer has a 35ft pair of speaker cables that sell for $50,000. I'm not trying to scare you away, but the perspective you get from The Wolf Web isn't necessarily an accurate reflection of reality...

As a consumer preparing to invest a sum of money into the purchase, I understand and appreciate your desire to know exactly what you're buying - all the ins and outs - so that you can make an educated decision. However, I might recommend that you find a knowledgeable salesman to speak with at a locally owned specialty store, preferably one that is paid a commission (despite the stereotype, a commissioned salesman has no desire to sell you something you're not going to be happy with). I am happy to help to an extent, but I typically bill $150/hour for my knowledge

11/29/2006 7:20:24 PM

^

You're honestly going to tell this poor woman a 450$ hdmi cable is going to look better than the already overpriced 70$ cable?

Perhaps your tweeter sales tactics have not worn off yet. Although you have dropped the shameless self promotion website plug after every reply.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 7:27 PM. Reason : You can take your speaker cable arguement and run with it. Leave HDMI alone.]

11/29/2006 7:25:15 PM

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" but the perspective you get from The Wolf Web isn't necessarily an accurate reflection of reality..."

like telling someone that they're system will be crap if they get a cheaper cable and offering a $450 cable (that im sure only the biggest of videophile or rich dumbasses would appreciate) as a comparison.

11/29/2006 7:26:50 PM

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"For example, I often sell a particular 10-ft HDMI cable for $450 rip people off"

11/29/2006 7:39:46 PM

who buys $50k speaker wire? NASA?

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 7:57 PM. Reason : no wonder that goddamn shuttle is so expensive and we skimp on o-rings]

11/29/2006 7:57:06 PM

^^
^^^
^^^^

Good job on taking everything I said out of context, putting your spin on it, and then presenting it back to "this poor woman". If she is indeed "poor", and is as vulnerable as you make her out to be, perhaps she shouldn't be looking into buying something like a plasma television. I wish you had remembered to quote the following in your responses:

Quote :

"the nicer interconnect you buy, the better the signal is at the other end"

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"Whether or not the increase in quality is worth the extra money is for you to determine"

Stein, tell me how not making a profit on anything you may ever sell works out for you. To say that I "rip people off" by selling them certain products at a certain price is not only naive, but immature.

^^^ I apologize for the "shameless selfpromotion website plug". My intention was to establish myself as someone who might know a little bit about what I was talking about. I have little desire to conduct my business with the majority of the people on this forum, as the appreciation for my expertise simply does not exist. That's not a stab, simply an acknowledgement.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 8:01 PM. Reason : carat]

11/29/2006 7:58:24 PM

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"Stein, tell me how not making a profit on anything you may ever sell works out for you. To say that I "rip people off" by selling them certain products at a certain price is not only naive, but immature."

i think his beef is less with you trying to make a profit and more to you seriously advising people that a $450 cable is likely worth the 6-700% price increase. i have no doubt that it is better, but there is some responsibility of those who have knowledge to use it appropriately.

11/29/2006 8:07:33 PM

Perhaps my post was read wrong - I was not trying to say that she should buy my $450 cable - it's the highest end HDMI cable I sell, and I'm fortunate enough to sell it "often" - that's all I was trying to say. Before anyone hammers me for selling a high-end cable, I'm often using them to connect Pioneer Industrial plasmas and Fujitsu plasmas ($4000 & up/ea.) to Yamaha RXV-2700's - a very deserving setup IMHO.

My point was that she should consider the $70 cable, as it is likely noticeably different from the $17 one. I then explained that the value of the difference between the cables should be determined by the buyer, not someone telling her where she can find the cheapest equipment...

11/29/2006 8:13:53 PM

oh god damn

another fucking expert

that is the last thing that tdub needs

11/29/2006 8:15:58 PM

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"another fucking expert"

At least someone acknowledges the truth...

11/29/2006 8:19:51 PM

so if i get a plasma and run the color dvd an play xbox360 i shouldn't get burn in if i don't do something stupid like leave the screen on for hours while pause or in a menu?

he forgot the quotes he meant

Quote :

"another fucking "expert""

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 8:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2006 8:21:03 PM

The "color DVD" that you speak of is a waste - most reputable plasmas have this feature native. If you leave a still image on a plasma for a ludicrous amount of time, it will indeed cause burn in to an extent, but with the new pixel-shifting technologies (again, reputable plasmas only), this typically disappears within minutes of changing the image. Some plasmas even have the white screen available to the end users, where almost all of them have it available in the service menus (only accessible with proprietary software and interfaces).

But then again, what do I know...

11/29/2006 8:24:47 PM

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"For example, I often sell a particular 10-ft HDMI cable for $450 rip people off"

I spit on my monitor


gg

11/29/2006 8:33:02 PM

well what tv would you recommend for 3500?

11/29/2006 8:38:29 PM

Quote :

"I spit on my monitor"

It probably deserved it.

Seriously - I'm not here to piss anyone off, or challenge anyone's knowledge. I know that's a tough pill to swallow, as those of you with 40,000 posts/minute probably think I'm some "newb" just strolling up in The Wolf Web / brentroad.com to promote my business. Fact is, I paid $5 to find someone to implement Joomla on a Linux server that I run so that I could have a more refined, "up to the times" website. It just pains me to see someone turn to a resource like this for advice, and the only thing I see is "Buy this really cheap piece of shit - it's the same as all of the "overpriced" pieces of shit you see in a store, but since you're buying it online, and you and the person selling it to you don't have a damn clue what it does or how it works, it should be just fine".

11/29/2006 8:40:15 PM

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"My point was that she should consider the $70 cable, as it is likely noticeably different from the $17 one."

I think youre wrong. To an extent to which ill buy one and bring it over to your place of sales to prove it in person.

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"in the service menus (only accessible with proprietary software and interfaces)."

You know thats not true. If the buttons on the tv and remote are proprietary software. Sure why not.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 8:42 PM. Reason : 100$ says if i switch it out with you blindfolded between, you wont tell me which is which. ]

11/29/2006 8:40:38 PM

thanks sumfoo1

i forgot the quotes

11/29/2006 8:50:24 PM

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"Seriously - I'm not here to piss anyone off, or challenge anyone's knowledge. I know that's a tough pill to swallow, as those of you with 40,000 posts/minute probably think I'm some "newb" just strolling up in The Wolf Web / brentroad.com to promote my business. Fact is, I paid $5 to find someone to implement Joomla on a Linux server that I run so that I could have a more refined, "up to the times" website. It just pains me to see someone turn to a resource like this for advice, and the only thing I see is "Buy this really cheap piece of shit - it's the same as all of the "overpriced" pieces of shit you see in a store, but since you're buying it online, and you and the person selling it to you don't have a damn clue what it does or how it works, it should be just fine"."

oh shit

HES INSULTING THE POST COUNT

DOS ATTACK GO!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

you just need to fuck off

no one wanted you to spend the 5 bucks to come here

gtfo

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 8:59 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2006 8:51:51 PM

Quinn and Monoprice V Customwired

Lets use your pioneer .

11/29/2006 8:54:28 PM

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"Stein, tell me how not making a profit on anything you may ever sell works out for you. To say that I "rip people off" by selling them certain products at a certain price is not only naive, but immature."

Sorry, never worked retail. I prefer to not put myself in the position to sell people things they don't need for my own benefit.

I mean, if you'd like to explain to me how your $450 HDMI cable is doing a $433 better job of moving 0's and 1's from point A to point B, then I'm all ears.

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"Some plasmas even have the white screen available to the end users, where almost all of them have it available in the service menus (only accessible with proprietary software and interfaces)."

For those of you with Panasonic plasmas -- specifically the TH42PX60U, this proprietary software/interface is:

Hold down the Vol - button on the TV and press Recall 3 times on the remote
Service menu pops up

If you want to check how many hours you've had it on:
Use 1 (up) and 2 (down) to move through the service menu until you reach "Option"
Hold "mute" on the remote for 3 seconds
Two numbers towards the middle of the screen will pop up; the one on the left is the hex number for how many hours it has been on; the number to the right of it is the hex number for how many times you've turned it on

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 9:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2006 8:58:07 PM

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"well what tv would you recommend for 3500?"

PDP-505CMX w/ HD Xplorer video processor. Well, that $900 Sanyo probably looks just as good, so I might try to buy about four of them and make an 84" screen out of it

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"I think youre wrong. To an extent to which ill buy one and bring it over to your place of sales to prove it in person."

While I think this is childish and foolish, if you truly think that I can't tell the difference between the lowest of the low, and a pseudo-decent cable, I am happy to accept your challenge. The challenege will be done on my system, with my gear, installed by me - not the $800 system that you're hoping I'll agree to this on. Again, this is contradictory of my post and my position on the matter (my point was to "consider" it...), but if it would make you happy, I will gladly oblige.

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"You know thats not true. If the buttons on the tv and remote are proprietary software. Sure why not. "

$100 says you can't find me one plasma anywhere with access to the service menus by the buttons on the front and the remote control (not given to the end user via the instruction manual, anyway). Not only that, but my point was that the white screen is not available on all plasmas to the end user. This is precisely how some manufacturers choose to make their money - by charging the consumer when they need to have their burn-in erased.

Great point on the Panasonic plasma, although I would consider that a "reputable" one...

Consider this my "fucking off". Sorry to have struck the nerve, Aficionado.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 9:12 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2006 9:09:48 PM

^


will this do?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024002&p_id=2219&seq=1&format=2&style=


panasonic does lead in plasma sales. go ahead and use your hyundai and porsche analogy however.

11/29/2006 9:15:01 PM

Wait

Did you just seriously say that a 450$ cable would provide better quality digital signals?

11/29/2006 9:20:19 PM

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"Great point on the Panasonic plasma, although I would consider that a "reputable" one..."

What about it isn't reputable?

The fact that it's not amazingly overpriced? Or did the Panasonic name-brand magically fall off the face of the earth?

11/29/2006 9:20:44 PM

Sure - which $70 one will you be purchasing?

11/29/2006 9:21:17 PM

Read your quote carefully, Stein

11/29/2006 9:21:54 PM

shitty... its twisted pair... recalculating...

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 9:26 PM. Reason : twisted pair actually shouldn't make a damn bit of difference]

11/29/2006 9:22:31 PM

Dude

Before get completely fucking owned.

and I mean really compeletely fucking owned

Lets go ahead and establish that you are, in fact, claiming that an expensive cable provides better quality digital picture.

11/29/2006 9:23:29 PM

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"Sure - which $70 one will you be purchasing? "

Thats where you come in, im not going to get ripped off. Use that 450$ one .

11/29/2006 9:24:10 PM

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"Read your quote carefully, Stein"

I have. What makes it "reputable" as opposed to reputable?

Why the cute little quotation marks? It doesn't make you any less wrong.

11/29/2006 9:26:19 PM

ummm even though its digital... it still matters at data rates that high

165MHz clocks aren't a joke when running them over more than a meter

but I mean still... twisted pair your shielding doesn't hardly matter... your twist/length ratio matters but that shouldn't be hard at all to figure out... then you have I2R losses... but thats a joke at digital current levels...

however... 24gauge wire it is possible to loose enough signal if your running too far...

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 9:31 PM. Reason : it matters... a little bit... mainly construction materials wise]

11/29/2006 9:28:14 PM

Go try both of these on your pioneer plasma:

Turn plasma "On"
Turn plasma "Off"
Wait for red light to stop flashing (Located on lower right corner of the plasma)
Press "Menu" button once
Press "Power" to turn the plasma on.
It will turn on in "Service Mode"


Make sure the plasma and the media box is in standby.
Press DISPLAY on the remote (just press, do not hold)
Wait 3 seconds
Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT and POWER (on the remote)
If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed

here you can read up on shit yourself:
http://www.bruzziforum.com/vbf/forumdisplay.php?f=5


[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 9:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2006 9:29:53 PM

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"PDP-505CMX w/ HD Xplorer video processor."

so a lower res plasma > 1080p lcd?


i was thinking

Sony 46" BRAVIA™ XBR® LCD Flat Panel HDTVspacerKDL-46XBR3

11/29/2006 9:34:23 PM

i recommend a sharp 23" sdtv personally. i own samsung, so trust me.

11/29/2006 9:36:20 PM

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