I did. I just think it wouldn't have been hard to give the third choice.

12/20/2006 12:40:00 PM

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" I choose to think my working class is very small. My unemployment rate is only 2.5%"

working class means they are working. It doesn't mean that they are unemployed.

12/20/2006 4:45:20 PM

Ha, silly silly nutsmacker, perhaps if you understood what I was referring to you wouldn't have to jump on my nuts like that.

The original shot about my nation referred to this line

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"Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 14 million enjoy some of the most opulent lifestyles in the region, unless they are unemployed or working-class, in which case they are variously starving to death or crippled by easily preventable diseases. "

So I was responding to both: I choose to think the working class is a small percentage of the population. Also, the unemployed account for only 2.5% of adults able to work.

Please try again later.

12/20/2006 4:48:56 PM

I choose to believe the sky is red.

12/20/2006 5:02:48 PM

i want some UN endorsements, i need 2

12/20/2006 6:29:21 PM

Quote :

"I choose to believe the sky is red. "

The difference is that objectively the sky is a certain color (though it depends on who you ask, and what you're considering the sky).

My nationstates nation doesn't have an objective definition of "working class" so who's to say it is 0.01 % or 50%?

Why don't you shut the fuck up everyone once in a while. You are an absolute idiot. You're like Josh##s' stupid cousin.

12/20/2006 7:00:13 PM

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"Regional Influence: Instigator"

Whoa! Do I get two for this?

Whoda predicted this:

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"Freetopiana is ranked 2nd in the region and 12,479th in the world for Most Pro-Market Nations."

w00t.

12/20/2006 7:49:00 PM

I'm 3rd

12/20/2006 11:15:00 PM

Well, it's still unfortunate that even that small of a portion, be it whatever it is, is dying at the expense of your high GDP. I highly doubt a country succeeding economically does so w/o any sort of significant body of wage workers, be it in services or production. Choose to believe what you may, but be realistic. No nation is going to have 99% of their employed persons being middle class salaried workers or executives. Someone always has to do the dirty work.

Maybe your entire working class is undocumented immigrants?

I suddenly lost all my healthcare spending overnight and went from top 5 to #15, WTF?

Ok, I've realized that for some reason I set my shit up to be too protectionist. I have a 2nd nation now. Let's see who does better.Bow to the Federation of Gedantzig

[Edited on December 20, 2006 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/20/2006 11:29:24 PM

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"Choose to believe what you may, but be realistic. No nation is going to have 99% of their employed persons being middle class salaried workers or executives. Someone always has to do the dirty work."

Utterly and completely false. We call it dirty work because it is undesirable. That it requires very little in the way of skills is irrelevant in the long run. If the pay is crappy then workers will perform whatever is necessary to obtain higher paid jobs, be it education or sheer effort. As low-skilled workers do this they will compete for higher skilled jobs, bidding down high-wage jobs and forcing employers to bid up low-wage jobs.

The reason America and much of the world still has large low-wage job sectors is because immigration (and bad educational institutions) sustains the supply of these workers at those wages. Remove this flood of workers incapable of working in any other sector and you will fairly quickly see the dirty-work being done at above-average salaries because everyone world rather work in an office at a lower salary than collect garbage.

Now, this does fall through if a section of the population is incapable of performing high-wage jobs either by genetic deficiency or by cultural deficiencies. It is only then that dirty-jobs jobs will remain under-paid.

12/21/2006 1:01:53 AM

the "dirty" jobs dont have to be dirty. Working at Wal-Mart or Burker King fall under the dirty jobs imo. Those will never be high paying.

12/21/2006 1:12:21 AM

you still have to have a sizable "working class" to operate, there's no way around that.

i never said anything about the wages they would be making, aside from calling them wage workers. oh well, i guess im going to get the "you stupid non-libertarians" treatment from you people regardless, a good reason why i post less and less here. this place is becoming obnoxious in regards to you people. we know nothing about the wages of the "working class", or its size, so to make an absolute claim about it is stupid.

^yeah




[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 1:40 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2006 1:36:39 AM

Oh, sorry, you are saying I misunderstood your statements and you were NOT saying working poor are a necessity? Good then.

Quote :

"you still have to have a sizable "working class" to operate, there's no way around that."

Yea, even if the "working class" earn more and live more extravagant lives than the "non-working class" whatever that is (presumably non-working requires fewer hours than working does, so that will require commensurately increased compensation in the long-run). Are you serious that your only point was that society will always need people working? Nothing gets produced without workers, so yea, you were apparently saying the equivalent of "water is wet."

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 2:37 AM. Reason : sp]

12/21/2006 2:37:01 AM

Holy Christ, if you go back to my original post that spurred this stupid argument, you'll notice that I was joking in the thread anyhow.

Keep in mind that these nations are caricatures of our true beliefs. Thus, you, PinkandBlack, set up a nation that ended up being FAR more protectionist than you intended. I ended up with zero income tax and no social spending whatsoever. Our nations are not what we intended them to be exactly, deal with it.

Also, the argument that there always has to be someone there to do the dirty work is absolutely false. There CAN be a society where machines take care of all intensive labor and most simple service jobs. It isn't too much of a stretch that a fast-food restaurant could be run pretty much via automation, with highly skilled maintenance crews. You only think society has to have a low-wage group of people because there has always been a low-skilled group of people whom are a better option for jobs. If everyone got skilled, you'd see MUCH more substitution of capital for labor in those areas. That's what's going down in The Incorporated States of Brentoceania.


(Finally, I got an issue that allows me to deal with public health of the poor. I surely hope this doesn't blow up in my face and I get a freaking welfare state out of a little social spending)

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 7:53 AM. Reason : .]

12/21/2006 7:50:00 AM

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"Keep in mind that these nations are caricatures of our true beliefs. Thus, you, PinkandBlack, set up a nation that ended up being FAR more protectionist than you intended."

of course this was because i chose not to dismiss an issue i should have probably dismissed, not even thinking that i should have, not because im some raging socialist. i dont have some latent true belief in high protectionism, if thats what you're inferring.

12/21/2006 10:32:25 AM

a countries worth is determined by their worst off citizen.

g g g g g g g g g gigidy

12/21/2006 12:21:45 PM

^As incorrect as saying it is determined by the most well off citizen. Crimony, there can be outliers.

Also, Pink, I wasn't claiming you were rooted in protectionism, I was saying the opposite. Your nation looks extremely protectionist, especially considering your intentions, while mine looks like no one cares about the sick and poor, which certainly wasn't my intention.

12/21/2006 12:57:31 PM

anyone know what time they post the issues? i'm supposed to be getting 2 a day now and I've only gotten one so far.

12/21/2006 1:54:34 PM

Im not sure the exact time...but the second one seems to be there sometime after 5 usually

12/21/2006 2:04:39 PM

Mine come at the same time.

12/21/2006 2:18:55 PM

not that I agree with it but your's is more incorrect.

look at brazil.

12/21/2006 4:48:55 PM

I can't see anything but a broken link, but I'm assuming you were meaning it for me

12/22/2006 9:13:00 AM

ha i ment to quote

but put little image things in instead

haha.

12/22/2006 10:51:18 AM

Man I jumped up to #3 today...I must have made some really key decisions yesterday...BOOYA!

12/22/2006 10:55:42 AM

my shit is wreckin you guys

12/22/2006 2:27:44 PM

^^ You do realize that you didnt "jump up" to 3rd, what was being ranked changed. So you may be 3rd in this category and dead last in another one. You get that, right?

12/22/2006 5:58:41 PM

I don't know if we get the same issues, but today I got one about rising divorce rates.

My choices were:
Make marriage illegal
Force people to call their spouses "darling"
Legalize gay marriage

I was glad to have an opportunity to legalize gay marriage, but it was really strange that they added it to an issue about rising divorce rates. I don't think the spike in divorces is indicative of large numbers of gay people leaving their unloving straight marriages, lol

12/22/2006 6:23:59 PM

i dismissed that issue, it was poorly written

12/22/2006 6:26:50 PM

i'm 4th

FOR NOW

12/22/2006 6:42:38 PM

Today's question was horrible. It dealt with hiring a gov. spiritual advisor. I had 3 choices, Catholic, New Age, and Atheist. I couldn't choose to specifically NOT hire one, so I had to just dismiss the issue. Is that the only way I can separate church and state?

Gedantzig is doing quite well, now. I'm much more pleased with that state. Luxaterra is still FUBAR'd.

[Edited on December 23, 2006 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

12/23/2006 2:43:49 PM

i had an euthanasia bill

i support the right to die

one less body parking in my spot

[Edited on December 23, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : an]

12/23/2006 2:47:55 PM

Hail the commonwealth of future minded peoples

12/25/2006 4:20:35 PM

i just banned the automobile

let's watch my economy tank

12/25/2006 6:03:15 PM

Well, I got my tax rates and GDP about where I wanted it.

Now I can afford to raise tariffs on auto imports. Let's see what happens...

12/25/2006 7:40:39 PM

i banned bicycles

12/25/2006 8:08:24 PM

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"A fleet of military-grade choppers will fly in and physically transport The Old School Mod to a better location."

Sweet.

My country's only 2 days old, so it sucks now.

12/26/2006 12:08:16 PM

haha, I just enslaved a shitload of Utopians and Maxopians

12/28/2006 1:53:44 PM

oh man banning the car is hurtin the squad

12/29/2006 1:10:20 PM

#4 in the number of stupid people per capita!

12/29/2006 7:37:53 PM

Da Beach Mon!

12/31/2006 4:06:06 PM

See this sucks...you guys might already have gotten this question, it's the one about polygamy. There are three answers, one is to allow it, one is to make marriage between a man and a woman, and the other says that the government should allow it as well as gay marriage and ANY other kind too, "Let people marry their cats, if they want"

So I'd really like to make gay marriage legal but I know if I accept that last position tomorrow my synopsis is going to say something like, "It's becoming more common for men to marry their gerbils..."

1/3/2007 9:39:23 AM

Just dismiss it. I was able to legalize gay marriage in a scenario about rising divorce rates. My choices were equally stupid there, but less so than the one's presented to you.

1/3/2007 9:55:37 AM

i'm content. my defense spending is getting out of control, tho, and i just increased spending for the army.

how can i get rid of my religion spending?

[Edited on January 4, 2007 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

1/4/2007 12:01:23 AM

Stuff like today's rankings are really messed up.

Of the top 4 nations for 'dumbest citizens' - 3 have either Powerhouse or Thriving economies, way higher than the average for the region.

That just doesn't work. No economic powerhouse can be built with a large percentage of the population being idiots....no matter how smart the 'elite' are on the other end.

1/6/2007 6:01:23 PM

why not?

isn't that what mindless consumerism is?

1/6/2007 6:23:52 PM

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"why not? isn't that what mindless consumerism is?"

This is one of those moments where I don't know if someone is being sarcastic or not.

And if not,

1/6/2007 7:14:42 PM

All right, the streaking issue came up.

That's my nation's motto.

1/7/2007 9:43:24 AM

Should I make skateboarding mandatory? I think I should.

Also, my GDP has fallen sharply since I was gone for 4 days...oops. Luxaterra and Gedantzig are about even now, both too low. I wonder if I could unite the two?

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2007 2:03:17 PM

I think I'll abolish speed limits.

1/8/2007 4:22:47 PM

Quote :

"Seconds ago: The Republic of Hot Man on Man Action arrived from The North Pacific. "

1/8/2007 4:47:56 PM