you must know a bunch of idiots then.

12/23/2006 4:32:40 PM

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"Everyone I know that has graduated from NCSU in the past 20 year said their degree was worthless and they ended up doing stuff in random fields. They also said that working from home is the way to go."

I would bet most of the jobs these people took required a four year degree, even if the degree was not relevant to their new line of work. We might be talking about two different things but a degree and an undergraduate career are two different things - the idea is to utilize what makes NCSU different from wake tech; research, networking, internships, work-study, co-op,study-abroad, etc. A degree is a peice of paper. Experience and knowledge derived from your undergraduate experience (and your degree courses) both in and out of the clasroom and their ability to allow you to make a firm money is what makes you employable. Bottom line, a degree is what you make of it.

Also, people who graduated 20 years ago probably have families, kids, wives/husbands and the incentive to work from home is higher, esp if they are dual income families. What reasons did these friends of yours say that working from home was "the way to go?," and are they actually working from home theirself or is that a perception they have from a poor in-office career?

Apologies for implying that you were lazy but without telling us WHY you want to work at home it is impractical for us to discuss the pros and cons of doing such. If you want to work at home because you have to take care of a sickly family member etc, then that is totally different than if you wanted to work from home because you don't like an office job or can't miss the Soaps. I understand you might not(and shouldn't) discuss what personal reasons want you to work from home on TWW but the point is you need to weigh the pros and cons yourself.

IMHO - dont work from home if you dont have to. Its about who you know in the business world (and a little of what you know) and working at home will not create a prime opportunity to expand your professional network. You might find adecent in-home job, but what are your career goals? Do you want to move up, make more $$$, "climb the latter?" Or do you just want to make a sustainable income and enjoy a comfortable life style? Would you work at home if you hated what yo uwere doing but were makign good $, or would you rather go in to an office and enjoy what you were doing and sacrifice the "at home" lifestyle?

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"Most colleges offer advice on stuff like this, but that would be way to much to expect from NCSU."

NCSU (a University) does offer these services. I know for a fact that the CALS (which is a College) Career Services could help by precipitating your career goals, and then moving on to which field you want to work in, and then isolating jobs, at-home/in-home availability, and so on. They will then help you create a resume to appeal to this industry and will even prep interview you before your search. I hope this is not the first time you have head of these services as a senior. They trans-serve students from other colleges, too. I believe the COM also has similar services.




[Edited on December 23, 2006 at 5:03 PM. Reason : add]

12/23/2006 4:53:51 PM

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"you must know a bunch of idiots then"

Seriously. Either that or all your friends got degrees in com or something similar.

I know a few people like this that could easily put in an hour a work each week and get good grades. Now they are in shock they don't have tons of offers rolling in now that they have graduated college and are stuck doing random shit.

12/23/2006 10:27:24 PM

^^
CALS does a MUCH better job with their scholarships, careers services, etc. than I've seen of any other college.

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"I work 60 hours a week on top of going to school full time so it's obvious that I'm not lazy. "

I don't know your reasons for doing so, but if it is financially motivated, there are a ton of financial aid options out there. Bit late now, but options are there.

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"Most colleges offer advice on stuff like this, but that would be way to much to expect from NCSU."

Start with the Career Center, CHASS Dean's Office, Virtual Advising, Student Chapters of Professional Organizations, Your Academic Advisor(s), Instructors, and possibly alumni who are in the field. The resources are there if you look for them. Time is an issue with you, but don't blame your lack of time on NCSU.

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"Everyone I know that has graduated from NCSU in the past 20 year said their degree was worthless and they ended up doing stuff in random fields."

Wolf covered this well already. I'll add that the degree to which this is true (or not true) varies according to which major you chose coming into college. Career/job options should have been one of the things to consider when looking at your major. I think I could branch out to 20+ different job roles for either one of my degrees, none of which would be in "random fields".

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"They also said that working from home is the way to go."

Seems like you are narrowing your options to black-and-white, either work from home 5 days a week or don't work from home 5 days a week. There ARE other options out there, somebody already mentioned 2/3 day weeks with a flex time system.

I was trying to be supportive earlier, but long rants and baseless generalized statements won't lend you any additional support. Do some additional research on the subject, tell us what you find, and then we might be able to offer additional insight. We won't do the research for you.

[Edited on December 23, 2006 at 10:55 PM. Reason : .]

12/23/2006 10:53:36 PM

PREGGERS.

12/24/2006 9:06:24 AM

It turns out that the thread originator is a stupid cunt.

12/24/2006 9:47:33 AM

For 2 years now I have not had an advisor-why? Because NCSU feels that we don't them in my major. They tell me to look up what I need online. Now someone tell me that isn't some bullshit.

12/29/2006 12:10:32 AM

Oh, you people are worthless just like NCSU

12/29/2006 12:18:53 AM

this is one of the most laughable serious threads in a long time

12/29/2006 12:21:57 AM

bye bye TWW...there are way to many stalker-ish freaks on here for me. i'll stick with myspace for at least i can block them!

12/29/2006 12:26:09 AM

i'm sick of threads where people bitch about ncsu's approach to 'preparing' people for the real world. i'm also sick of people acting like business and communication degrees are worthless.

and i'm also sick of people using "its not what you know but you who know" everytime they talk about the business world

yes knowing the right people can get you into jobs you might not have otherwise had access to but everyone forgets that you actually have to PERFORM. companies don't make fortune 500 and 100 lists because people "know" the right people, they get there because people know how to do their job

if you're graduating from ANY college and don't feel ready to find a job then you're just a sorry excuse for a college student and or graduate. experience rules the day and if you don't gain any of that while in college then how can you expect people to feel sorry for you?

the career center on campus is actually quite helpful-- if people ever thought of actually going instead of crying about how much ncsu sucks. i found 2 of my 4 internships through the career center, not to mention my current job with a fortune 100 company. i also used their services to help polish my resume and do mock interviews so i knew wtf i was doing when i started interviewing for jobs.

i'm so sick and disgusted at people in my generation crying like little bitches because people aren't handing them everything they want. i find that most of these people are products of parents who give their kids every little fucking thing they want. these are the same kids who move back in with mom or dad after they graduate for no good reason or go onto graduate school because they're scare of getting a real job and don't really give a shit about an advanced degree

/rant



[Edited on December 29, 2006 at 12:49 AM. Reason : popozaw]

12/29/2006 12:45:59 AM

^you take tww too seriously....

12/29/2006 12:55:53 AM

PREEEEEEEEEGGGGGERRRRRRSSSSS!

12/29/2006 1:09:54 AM

lol bitch got knocked up

12/29/2006 4:05:12 AM

jesus christ RachelMarie
even if you dont have an advisor assigned to you DOES NOT mean that you cant be advised if you make an appt. to speak to someone.

and the Career Services Center is an excellent resource that students just dont take advantage of. do yourself a favor and go meet with them.

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"Oh, you people are worthless just like NCSU "

and there are a ton of serious responses in this thread and i can say that most of the people in this thread will give you better advice than stupid MYSPACERS that type like 12 year olds.

12/29/2006 8:52:05 AM

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"I have private reasons for wanting to work from home."

on second thought, we probably don't want to know what stupid thing you've done with your trailer-bred bf......


but really, what's your major? what kind/type of job are you looking for? I hope you have more than one or two really good reasons for working at home.

NCSUWolfy and Perlith are correct

12/29/2006 9:16:14 AM

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"I know for a fact that the CALS (which is a College) Career Services could help by precipitating your career goals, and then moving on to which field you want to work in, and then isolating jobs, at-home/in-home availability, and so on."

That's good to know. I have a friend that is really trying hard to find work. I graduated in CALS and CHASS, but have an engineering job so I didn't use their career services. I did use the main career service and they were not much help.

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"i'm so sick and disgusted at people in my generation crying like little bitches because people aren't handing them everything they want. i find that most of these people are products of parents who give their kids every little fucking thing they want. these are the same kids who move back in with mom or dad after they graduate for no good reason or go onto graduate school because they're scare of getting a real job and don't really give a shit about an advanced degree"

Me too I want to write a book about it. It's fairly easy to get a job if you actually do something while in college, and if you didn't do anything you'd better pony up for a year or more and bust ass to get another degree and network while there the second time. The alternative is waiting tables

It's quite hard to prepare yourself for a job to make average income when you graduate. You don't even get handed mediocrity in this world, and the quicker you learn that the better off you are.

[Edited on December 29, 2006 at 9:29 AM. Reason : a]

12/29/2006 9:27:12 AM

lol take your marbles and go home. sorry your MRS degree didn't work out.

12/29/2006 9:50:27 AM

I'm a networking consultant - I have a cubicle with my name on it for now, but only because I'm still doing my initial employee training. When I go to my field office in mid-2007 I'll work from home whenever I'm not at a client site.

As an aside, my degree didn't help me get my job at all. My grades sucked when I graduated. What DID help me was the other things I did during college to set myself apart - get involved in Student Government, Go Greek, co-op, and always keep my career goals in mind even when taking part-time jobs for beer money.

Any questions, PM me.

12/29/2006 2:50:25 PM

^ good point

a degree is necessary but that alone doesn't mean people will be lined up to hand you awesome jobs

you have have more than a piece of paper that cost $texas

12/29/2006 10:22:11 PM

^NCSU doesnt prepare people well for the real world...my first job, I was the first one they ever hired from NCSU, they said ECU, UNC, WF all are more prepared....UNC they have to do a internship when someone majors in Business. For companies looking for soon to be graduates from Business, sadly, NCSU COM is not that attractive. They need a mandatory class for srs that part of the class is mock interviews.



You need experience, without experience, it is MUCH harder....

hell, my HS job helped land my first real job, office assistant at a grocery store to assistant manager after college for another company(a degree was required) I found out that wasnt what I wanted to do, but it gave me some more experience.




[Edited on December 29, 2006 at 11:51 PM. Reason : w]

12/29/2006 11:42:58 PM

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"NCSU doesnt prepare people well for the real world...my first job, I was the first one they ever hired from NCSU, they said ECU, UNC, WF all are more prepared"

if they only hired people from other schools then they wouldn't have a comparison for ncsu you idiot

i didn't learn anything i use in my job at ncsu - to hold that against ncsu would be stupid because i wouldn't have learned it anywhere else either - there are a few companies that hire more ncsu graduates than any other college in the country and it's not because they aren't prepared....the largest i can think of is ibm - they have 300,000+ employees

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"You need experience, without experience, it is MUCH harder...."

there isn't a program or class that teaches you that - if you aren't a complete idiot you should know that

12/29/2006 11:52:37 PM

i dont think its the responsibility of the university to force students to do internships

12/29/2006 11:52:49 PM

I didn't read the entire thread, but. . .

I work as a nanny for a mother who works from home. She is a statistician for Glaxo Smith Kline. Working 4 hours a day and going into the office one day every other week, she makes between 75-80K per year. However, I do know that she has her PhD and had full time work experience with another pharm company before she chose to work part-time from home.

She works part-time from home because she had two young children and she and her husband are both admitted workaholics. She knew that if one of them didn't stay at home that their kids might miss out on valuable time.

As a child care provider, I have noticed an increase in parents in similar work situations.

[Edited on December 30, 2006 at 1:20 AM. Reason : +]

12/30/2006 1:15:16 AM

^^,^^^^

Soooo what you're saying is you're glad that those Universities coddle their students and MAKE them go get internships? We all know a 4-year degree isn't worth what it was when our parents got theirs. I'm not sure about you, but even my HIGH SCHOOL career counselors told me that.

In my personal experience, despite my shitty grades my motivation and dedication to my chosen career path landed me the badass job I have now. The only thing that sucks is it's in Wisconsin (not for long though, Cincy here I come!)

[Edited on December 30, 2006 at 1:22 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2006 1:21:09 AM

dont even get me started on the people who wouldn't even DREAM of considering a job outside of the raleigh area or even north carolina

omg nooo world, please cater to me. i want a job that pays $75,000 right out of school, in raleigh, with all the bells and whistles. experience? no i was too busy being a waitress while i was in school, but i have this nifty 4 year degree!!! what do you mean there is nothing for me that is exactly what i want? boo hoo i guess i'll move back in with my parents while i apply to grad school

12/30/2006 1:38:36 AM

Funny you should bring that up - I was talking to a highschool friend of mine who was home for the holidays about the same thing. He joined the Marine Corps and went to Afghanistan three times, I went to Wisconsin, now he lives in CT with his girlfriend who's in grade school at Yale.

Not to knock any of my friends if they're happy, but they bitch and moan about how they're stuck in dead-end jobs but are afraid to leave NC. Just outta curiosity, how'd you meet people out there where you are? I work with 12 guys our age, but none of them is from Wisconsin... I'm not one for meeting random people in the bars :-/

12/30/2006 2:47:37 AM

^^ in the right field, those benefits are attainable, even in raleigh

12/30/2006 9:20:14 AM

^^^
Are these personal opinions, or do you have facts to back up most of these claims? I'm not knocking it, just wondering if it's a more accurate or more stereotypical picture.

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"For 2 years now I have not had an advisor-why?"

Because you expect an advisor to be handed to you and compassionately seek you out? Granted, some departments have that luxury (Botany was blessed with Dr. Van Dyke), but that isn't the typical case. I think I had a mix of 5 different "faculty" advisors while I was an undergraduate, none who were automatically assigned to me when I first started out. All I saw or talked to at least once a semester. Also had the countless alumni, graduate students, etc. in my immediate field and in other fields who could fill in some of the things the advisors couldn't. It really isn't that difficult.

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"bye bye TWW...there are way to many stalker-ish freaks on here for me"

Thanks for playing. I think this concludes things folks ... if somebody won't take the 5 minutes to read some of the good insights in this thread ... they probably won't take ANY time to actually do anything anyways.

[Edited on December 30, 2006 at 10:27 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2006 10:20:31 AM

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"For 2 years now I have not had an advisor-why? Because NCSU feels that we don't them in my major. They tell me to look up what I need online. Now someone tell me that isn't some bullshit."

You are pathetic. People spend all this time giving you GREAT advice in this thread and you didnt acknowledge it one bit. Perhaps your career outlook sucks because you ask for advice when you need it, and block your ears from listening.

Please leave TWW - and next time I see you in Nelson I will laugh at you because it is people like you that give people like me an edge in the workplace

now...time to go watch some basketball

12/30/2006 11:18:02 AM

^^ yes these are my personal opinions that have been formed from what i have seen happen to people around me

^^^^ i won't lie, meeting people is REALLY hard. see if there is an ncsu alumni chapter where you are http://www.alumni.ncsu.edu/clubs/

also see if there is an alumni chapter of the fraternity you were in

i joined a bowling league because i needed something to do on a regular basis and that was fun and everyone was real nice

i'd never go looking for friends in a bar, esp bc i am a girl. however people at work thought it was a GENIUS idea and thought i'd meet loads of people there... no thanks

also, i've considered getting a second part time job for extra cash i could use for savings, toys, vacations, whatever. i never actually did it but it could be an idea to keep yourself busy. or you can look into local volunteer organizations & get involved with that

12/30/2006 12:04:47 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/aquateenhungerforce/images/Carl.bmp
"I work outta da home."

12/30/2006 3:04:20 PM

^^Thanks for all the heads up -

I'll definitely look for alumni clubs out here - never thought of that.

Only thing that sucks about getting "out there" and volunteering or joining groups is how much I travel for work. Any of the groups I'd be interested in require a little more commitment, ya know? I guess I'll just kinda suck it up until I hit my next office... After that they say overnight travel will be limited to less than 40%... I guess we'll see!

12/30/2006 5:59:26 PM

yea i feel you on travel, which is why i never got a part time job

12/30/2006 10:24:18 PM

Do you have/get to travel a lot too? Training or client visits, or what?

It's not bad... with a cashback credit card I make a decent amount of money piping thousands of dollars of expenses through every year And it's always nice having everything paid for... and the frequent flyer miles, free hotel nights, free car rentals, etc... but I'd still rather be in the same city for a few months without leaving all the time :-/

12/30/2006 10:32:20 PM

training & customer/site visits mostly

i too dig the miles, points & perks that come along with the job

i dont really care ab all the travel right now bc mike is still in nc so its not like i have anyone back at the house waiting for me

just watch that restaurant food or you'll gain a zillion pounds. i'm trying to avoid the storied "field 40" jesus christ

12/30/2006 11:28:36 PM

hahaha i've stayed away from it so far... hell, one hotel i stayed in for a week had a deal with the local Y where you could work out for free if you show them a room key!

i know what you mean about not having anyone at home... but all the ff miles, car rentals, and hotel rooms are certainly handy when i come back to NC! saves friends and family from having to pick me up at the airport, ya know?

when will you and mr. man actually end up living in the same city?

12/31/2006 12:06:17 AM

this summer hopefully

you know its gotta be good if hes moving out to peoria!

12/31/2006 12:14:39 AM