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1/6/2007 1:07:56 PM

She will screw it up--mark my words.



[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 4:43 AM. Reason : PS: A tax increase is coming--just wait and see. ]

1/8/2007 4:36:03 AM

to the original poster: That's just the way the House operates. You have 435 Members; if you allowed each one to offer amendments and stuff, you would never get anything done. The majority in the House rules with an absolute iron fist, the minority has absolutely no rights other than those that the majority deigns to give them.

While this might stifle deliberation and sound judgment sometime, it also enables the House to get things done, to act quickly (if need be) to begin what they view as the people's agenda. That's why it's called the "people's house." The real deliberation occurs in the Senate, which is of course the senior body, supposedly the more mature and stately body, the job of which it is said is to "cool the passions of the House."

In short - the House is an action body, the Senate is the deliberative body. So the Democrats are not doing anything wrong, necessarily, by denying the minority the ability to mess with bills.

1/8/2007 1:56:28 PM

^and its very clear that Reid will be working very closely with Republicans in the Senate. Both because he has to given the margins involved, but also because its the nature of the body.

1/8/2007 3:36:48 PM

did anyone else know that Nancy Pelosi has a concealed carry permit?

1/8/2007 3:37:44 PM

if you had people running ads on tv that implied you were the devil, or worse, the equal of hillary wouldnt you?

edit- that makes the NRA's recent comments even more amusing if its true

[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 5:45 PM. Reason : e]

1/8/2007 5:44:44 PM

would you lobby for more and more gun control while you have a CCP yourself? is that not the epitome of hypocrisy?

1/8/2007 6:32:54 PM

i would see your point if there was going to be any gun legislation in the next congress. but, considering 3/5 of both houses would refuse to vote for more gun control, either because they dont support it or because they would lose the next election, i doubt its gonna happen.

so...whats your point?

1/8/2007 6:35:10 PM

maybe i'm way over your head with this...let me break it down to simpler terms

- Pelosi has strongly lobbied to get rid of concealed carry permits for any and all citizens

- Pelosi herself has a concealed carry permit

- That by definition is quite hypocritical

i hope you can understand that because I don't think a 5 year old would have any trouble understanding it

1/8/2007 6:41:06 PM

when has she voted against allowing concealed carry permits?

1/8/2007 7:18:53 PM

even though i said lobbying and not voting...among others http://www.gunlawnews.org/Representatives/Nancy-Pelosi.html

im more surprised nobody has asked me for proof that she has a CCP...her stance on guns is no secret


[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 7:21 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2007 7:20:49 PM

the only vote (after an admittedly quick search) dealing with concealed weapons she voted for (allowing retired police to have broader concealed weapon rights)

1/8/2007 7:23:47 PM

does changing my words from "lobbying" to "voting" make your point more valid or something?

1/8/2007 7:25:51 PM

then show me evidence of her lobbying to get rid of concealed carry permits?

1/8/2007 7:26:42 PM

brilliant...completely ignore the link i sent and all her votes that went against guns in general and pick on miniscule semantic argument and beat it to death...brilliant

1/8/2007 7:28:10 PM

well really, her votes were against shortening waiting periods and assault rifles, etc. nothing to do with concealed weapons (except when she voted for furthering concealed weapons rights)

you were the one making a point specifically about her hypocrisy in regards to concealed weapons

unless you want to take this back:

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"Pelosi has strongly lobbied to get rid of concealed carry permits for any and all citizens"

[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2007 7:28:59 PM

its just funny...asking for proof that pelosi is inherently anti-gun is like asking for proof that Bush is from Texas

1/8/2007 7:31:31 PM

i'm asking for ANY proof that she's against people being able to have concealed weapons permits (which is exactly what you claimed)

[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 7:32 PM. Reason : .]

^then it shouldn't be hard for you to give some proof. but you've yet to.

[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 7:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2007 7:32:22 PM

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"edit- that makes the NRA's recent comments even more amusing if its true"

i didnt ask per se. I just assumed you wouldnt outright lie.


I would respond to everything else, but sarijoul has already said everything that needs to be said.

1/8/2007 9:28:42 PM

Madame Pelosi voted in '99 against allowing the people of Washington DC to have registered firearms in their homes. (HA223). If she's against letting you have a gun in your own home, why would we assume she's in favor of citizens walking around with concealed weapons?

1/9/2007 1:12:03 AM

Petitio principii

1/9/2007 2:24:55 AM

^^it was handguns. and from reading up on it, handguns had been illegal in DC since the 70s.

but honestly i think that that law speaks more to the house having those sorts of powers in DC. i think it's kind of screwed up that many legislators see DC almost as a consequence-free zone where they can pass legislation that they could never pass nationally.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 8:59 AM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 8:46:12 AM

^^^That's where politics come into play.

If your vote isn't going to be a deciding vote, then vote whichever way you think the majority of your base and peers and money want you to vote. Typically, politicians vote with their party in these instances.

If 80 percent of the people that voted for me wanted me to vote for a law that would ban the use of electricity after 6 PM, and I knew such a law would never pass, I'd say fuck it and vote for the ban. If somebody called me on it, I'd say, "That's what my people wanted. So?"

Similarly, if 80 percent of the people who gave me money wanted me to vote for a law that would ban the use of electricity after 6 PM, and I knew such a law would never pass, I'd say fuck it and vote for the ban. If somebody called me on it, I'd say, "That's what "my people" wanted. So?" Nobody sees the quotes when you're speaking.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 9:17 AM. Reason : sss]

1/9/2007 9:13:16 AM

why the fuck can't the numbskull's on capital hill realize that you cannot micro manage a war?

1/9/2007 9:34:07 AM

wait. what?

1/9/2007 9:36:12 AM

Quote :

"...then vote whichever way you think the majority of your base and peers and money want you to vote. "

Whoring out your vote is hardly a justification.

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"it was handguns."

What do you think you carry around with your CCP?

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"Petitio principii"

You're being lazy typing a couple of latin words. If I'm begging the question, prove it. Make your own argument agaisnt mine.

Pelosi voted against (HA223). Her motivations could've included cow-towing to her base or personal belief. But with this vote, she is not showing support for gun ownership.

There are different levels of support for the 2nd amendment. A basic level would be that you can own a gun in your own home. A next level would be taking your handgun outside your home. Pelosi doesn't support the first basic level of handgun ownership. That leads us to assume she doesn't publicly support the next level of Conceal Carry.

Now if she has a CCP, she is the epitome of hypocrisy.

1/9/2007 11:46:44 AM

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"Madame Pelosi voted in '99 against allowing the people of Washington DC to have registered firearms in their homes."

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"What do you think you carry around with your CCP? "

i was just correcting your assertion that she wanted to ban registered firearms in their homes. it wasn't all firearms, it was just handguns (which had been outlawed in washington dc since 1976).

^not to mention, the washington dc city council is fully behind a complete ban on handguns. so perhaps she was doing what the local people actually wanted. i don't know, because i can't read her mind.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 11:51:34 AM

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"the washington dc city council is fully behind a complete ban on handguns. so perhaps she was doing what the local people actually wanted. i don't know, because i can't read her mind. "

Simply getting elected to the city council doesn't give you permission to violate the 2nd amendment of the Constitution. And we don't need to read Pelosi's mind. It's her vote that is denying citizens the ability to protect themselves in their own homes.

1/9/2007 12:12:27 PM

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"Simply getting elected to the city council doesn't give you permission to violate the 2nd amendment of the Constitution."

Her job is to represent her constitutency, enforcing the constitution is the court's job.

1/9/2007 12:17:33 PM

it's been established again and again that limiting certain sorts of guns is well within the powers of local governments. DC is just a strange case where local and national governments intersect.

1/9/2007 12:17:47 PM

EarthDogg they would rather argue semantics than substance

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"Now if she has a CCP, she is the epitome of hypocrisy."

Of course...obviously...blatantly

Like I said before, the question I'd expect to come up would be to ask for proof that she has a CCP, not to be an idiot and try to claim she is not anti-firearm

1/9/2007 1:28:32 PM

still waiting to see where she wants to take away concealed weapons from everyone, like you claimed yesterday. . .

1/9/2007 1:35:41 PM

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"would rather argue semantics than substance"

you're so dumb you tried to spin it around that she isn't inherently anti 2nd amendment and anti-firearm...that is pretty hilarious

thats like you claiming Bush supported the Iraq war and me saying he is a pacifist and would never support any war



[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:38:44 PM

except YOU made the claim that she is in support of taking concealed carry permits away from everyone.

Quote :

"Pelosi has strongly lobbied to get rid of concealed carry permits for any and all citizens"

i mean can you support that statement or not? you've yet to provide a SHRED of evidence to support this claim (which the crux of your calling her a hypocrite)

someone can be in support of upping the time for background checks, outlawing assault rifles and many other things and still be in support of concealed carry permits and not be a hypocrite.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:46:01 PM

if you were doing anything but trolling me your first question yesterday wouldve been for proof that she has a CCP

i guess you'd rather go play your cello with your DSLs

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"someone can be in support of upping the time for background checks, outlawing assault rifles and many other things and still be in support of concealed carry permits and not be a hypocrite"

you're reaching pretty far there...good thing EarthDogg is not a moron like you

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:47:09 PM

DSLs?

1/9/2007 1:48:13 PM

yeah everytime i look at that picture of you i just bust out laughing

1/9/2007 1:49:11 PM

i really don't know what you're talking about

1/9/2007 1:49:58 PM

your big chapped dick sucking lips

1/9/2007 1:50:46 PM

how often do you look at my picture?

is this something i should be concerned about?

and i see that you're changing the subject to ad hominems since you can't back up your claim.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:52 PM. Reason : as per usual]

1/9/2007 1:52:08 PM

as long as your boyfriend doesnt mind i could care less

you've just got the biggest ugly chapped lips ive ever seen, its hard to concentrate when i have that horrible vision in my head

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:52:46 PM

Quote :

"as long as your boyfriend doesnt mind i could care less"

spoken like a true intellectual

Quote :

"Pelosi has strongly lobbied to get rid of concealed carry permits for any and all citizens"

still nothing to back this up? just checking.



[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:53:15 PM

you might as well put those pictures in your TWW gallery though i mean its not like youre making any effort to hide them

funny you mention ad hominems when initially I said "lobbying" and you changed it to "voting" because that was easier for you

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:55:13 PM

what pictures?

1/9/2007 1:55:49 PM

the pictures of your ugly fat lips

but anyone who wasnt trolling me would have, by now, asked for proof that she even HAS a concealed carry permit

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:56:10 PM

INTELLIGENT DEBATE, FOLKS.

1/9/2007 1:57:15 PM

Quote :

"Pelosi has strongly lobbied to get rid of concealed carry permits for any and all citizens"

still no evidence?

^^i'll take to questioning one of your dubious points at a time, thanks.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 1:58 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:57:38 PM

well he ignored my initial claim that:

Quote :

"would you lobby for more and more gun control while you have a CCP yourself? is that not the epitome of hypocrisy?"

because he

Quote :

"would rather argue semantics than substance"

1/9/2007 1:58:36 PM

so you can't back

Quote :

"Pelosi has strongly lobbied to get rid of concealed carry permits for any and all citizens"

up?

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 2:10 PM. Reason : asi suspected you just made it up.]

also:

do you know what semantics even means?

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 2:12 PM. Reason : .]

1/9/2007 1:59:35 PM

the first time you asked for proof i gave it to you you fucking idiot

http://www.gunlawnews.org/Representatives/Nancy-Pelosi.html

why dont you look at that link instead of just doing a Ctrl+F and acting like you know shit

holy shit you are dumb...you keep asking for proof, and there it is...there is has been since yesterday...retard

1/9/2007 2:13:35 PM