Quote :

"Don't mind FanatiK. The only things he's good at are ignoring common sense, talking about how much money he makes, and being dumb."

more like [user]SonyFanatiK[/user]...visit the PS3 thread to see some great Sony fanboyism.

hd-dvd > blu-ray

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ has a few really good comparisons based on sales and such

1/14/2007 2:01:32 AM

Don't think psp is a failure either...

http://www.dailytech.com/Official+Holiday+Sales+Figures+Rank+New+Consoles+Xbox+360+Wii+PS3/article5687.htm

another failure:
laser disc

1/14/2007 3:59:44 AM

so to summarize:

the PSP has sold half again as many units as the xbox 360
HD-DVD sales have been flat for the last quarter while bluray has a strong upward growth
bluray is expected to have twice as many units in the market this year than HD-DVD

yeah, sony has really fucked up big time

1/14/2007 5:47:10 AM

HD-DVD Decryption Keys Found:
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/01/13/181222.shtml

1/14/2007 8:08:00 AM

I also feel that the PSP is not only not a failure, but one of the few things that Sony has done right. It could still be better, but it really doesn't have any serious competition. the nintendo DS is solely a gaming machine, while the PSP can do a lot more (I own neither).

Blu-ray may currently sell better than HD-DVD, but in the end, the proprietary format will lose.

1/14/2007 8:36:52 AM

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"HD-DVD sales have been flat for the last quarter while bluray has a strong upward growth bluray is expected to have twice as many units in the market this year than HD-DVD yeah, sony has really fucked up big time "

1) Of course BluRay is seeing "strong upward growth". It actually exists in the marketplace now. There was nowhere to go but up.

2) Twice as many units all still sitting on stores shelves: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070108-8574.html

[Edited on January 14, 2007 at 9:00 AM. Reason : .]

1/14/2007 8:58:23 AM

I may be mis-remembering, but didnt one of the major DVD selling retail chains return all the blu-ray dvd stocks they had because they 1. weren't selling and 2. were shitty movies that no one would ever buy anyway?

1/14/2007 9:03:52 AM

HD-DVDs flaw is that their players are made solely by toshiba. Sooner or later the proprietary comment gets pointed back at its origin.

1/14/2007 11:38:16 AM

Here's one made by LG:

http://www.amazon.com/LG-HD-DVD-Player-LGDVB418/dp/B00079VJOU

1/14/2007 12:55:59 PM

kudos to this thread and the people in it

was a very good read

1/14/2007 1:24:44 PM

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"^^^ if you don't mind paying $texas, there's a solution to almost every problem"

If I remember correctly, it was only going to be a couple hundred more

1/14/2007 1:50:08 PM

^ which, i suppose, isn't THAT big of a difference when you're talking about that much money...but $200 is still a lot of EXTRA to spend when you're paying $40/movie anyway

1/14/2007 6:20:25 PM

All sony has to do to win this war is make sure that it has way more movies out in blue ray than hd-dvd when everyone starts getting hd tv's. It doesn't matter which one is better b/c most consumer to dumb to know which one is better.

Also i thought it was funny that sony ps3 has sold more than xbox 360 in japan

1/14/2007 8:47:09 PM

the blu- ray price per movie is what F*()&ks it from ever being main stream

[Edited on January 14, 2007 at 8:58 PM. Reason : .]

1/14/2007 8:57:53 PM

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"Here's one made by LG: http://www.amazon.com/LG-HD-DVD-Player-LGDVB418/dp/B00079VJOU "

Fun Fact : You linked to a standard definition dvd player.

I know youre a smart guy, because you mention it alot but im not BEU.

head shot

[Edited on January 14, 2007 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .user tags]

1/14/2007 11:26:46 PM

good call quinn...Amazon has falsely advertised that model with the title "LG HD DVD Player (LGDVB418)" leading us to believe that it is an HD-DVD player when it is in fact a standard def DVD player with 1080i upconversion for regular DVDs.

See:
http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_digital%20video__LGDVB418.jhtml

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 12:17 AM. Reason : fix linky]

1/15/2007 12:16:23 AM

ok, i stand corrected, I just got that off a google hit, and didn't read it closely.

1/15/2007 9:26:49 AM

this is a serious question.... HD-DVD pundits seem always point to the 'fact' that HD-DVDs are cheaper as an advantage... There doesn't really seem to be a price difference.

Example: Super Returns... it's actually 3 bucks cheaper on Blu-Ray. what the deal?

1/15/2007 9:36:48 AM

Costs more for developers. Its then their initiative what to charge the consumer. They may be lowering the Blu-ray price for consumers hoping that it catches on to beat out HD.

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"Also i thought it was funny that sony ps3 has sold more than xbox 360 in japan"

If you thought anything otherwise, you are a retard.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ]

1/15/2007 9:43:15 AM

Quote :

"with that level of clarity, the porn sluts look nastier. You kinda need that suboptimal quality to cover up some of that shit."

1/15/2007 10:42:24 AM

wow Sony
way to drop the ball on this one

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"All sony has to do to win this war is make sure that it has way more movies out in blue ray than hd-dvd when everyone starts getting hd tv's"

not necessarily true
same thing w/ beta max / vs / vhs

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 11:04 AM. Reason : lsjdf]

1/15/2007 11:00:57 AM

of course they're on an upward trend because they just hit the market. but that upward trend has caught HD-DVD which had sustained sales before the PS3 hit.

and people can blah blah all they want about PS3's. Sure there are shots of stacks of them in some stores. But anyone with any retail experience knows this is the slowest time of the year, especially in consumer electronics (save for big TV's at the Super Bowl). And it's not like the 360 was a gangbuster at xmas - there were so many stacks in every best buy I went into that it just became ho-hum.

1/15/2007 1:49:18 PM

As people adopt HDTV (over the next 10 years), a lot of them will come home w/their brand spanking new HDTV and think to themselves "OK, now to get some HD content".

First they will call their cable company to get the HD hookup.

Then they will look right underneath/beside their TV and (most likely) see the PS3 sitting there and think "hey, can't I stick one of them blu-ray thingamajiggers in there for HD movies???"


this, my friends, is how blu-ray will win.

1/15/2007 2:32:59 PM

yeah... the next wave xbox 360 will have one too (hd dvd that is)

and honestly i think the current ps3 owners have HD already being that they purchased a 5-6 hundred dollar console.... one would think they could spare 1k for a tv.



[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 2:35:22 PM

you're right, the current owners probably do.


But as the price drops and the mainstream games come out, millions and millions of joe-consumers will pick one up.

1/15/2007 2:36:23 PM

true...

1/15/2007 2:37:15 PM

Honestly i bet both will be in use, unless sony really shoots themselves in the foot. Like blue ray will be for the rich ppl who want the high quality, and hd-dvd for the ppl who dont care

1/15/2007 3:07:52 PM

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"Then they will look right underneath/beside their TV and (most likely) see the PS3 sitting there and think "hey, can't I stick one of them blu-ray thingamajiggers in there for HD movies???""

more like "i should get that hd-dvd player for my 360. Who the fuck owns a ps3 anyway?

1/15/2007 3:30:29 PM

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"Honestly i bet both will be in use, unless sony really shoots themselves in the foot. Like blue ray will be for the rich ppl who want the high quality, and hd-dvd for the ppl who dont care"

Actually, the most likely scenario is that neither will be in use for very long. Physical media is a thing of the past. We're all gonna be downloading our HD movie content and playing them on HTPC-esque devices, like an X-Box 360 or Apple TV.

1/15/2007 3:38:51 PM

While at wal-mart here in wilmington I saw no less than 5 PS3's sitting out for sale.

They had no Wiis

1/15/2007 3:39:27 PM

^^
I'm not downloading a 30-60 gig movie anytime soon
and i don't think you will be either.

i'm sorry but unless we get some gigabit lan lines run to the house i don't see this happening too soon.

but i also don't know what is on the horizon for internet either...


[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 4:16:16 PM

Hehe, you might be downloading them sooner than you think.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070115-8622.html

1/15/2007 4:47:50 PM

niiiice.

1/15/2007 4:50:06 PM

19.6

not too bad... still gonna take a while

1/15/2007 4:52:15 PM

19.6GB torrents wont be a threat anytime soon

1/15/2007 4:52:20 PM

Analog TV will be cutoff in 2 years. I don't think its too far fetched for the cable companies to use that extra bandwidth for an ultra high speed HD movie downloading service. Storage space is cheap as balls, I can go buy a TB for under 300 bucks today. By 2010 we could all be getting 40 Mbps down/up for the same price or cheaper than we are paying today for 5 Mbps/256 Kbps down/up. Do you really think either HD-DVD or Blu-ray will be that established by then?

1/15/2007 5:12:13 PM

i don't see HD dvd being all that "open" either though....

UMD died b/c they didn't allow recordable versions of it for some stupid reason.....

1/15/2007 5:52:38 PM

dvd's are going to be around for a long time. Yeah memory is cheap but not cheaper than the cost of a dvd. Also there are to many ppl who want to keep the movies they pay for. Also look at the music industry yeah now we have mp3's but still cd's are the main storage

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 6:07 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 6:06:15 PM

hd-dvd will win

blu-ray is dependent on ps3 which has been a huge disappointment. microsoft has continually improved the 360 and it will become a media center in most living rooms. there is a reason that ps3 was the ONLY console not to exceed sales targets (wii and 360 both exceeded over christmas). check out some excerpts from http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20745&hed=PS3+Sales+Could+Fall+Short§or=Industries&subsector=EntertainmentAndMedia

Quote :

"Sales of Sony’s PlayStation 3 video game console could fall short by as much as 25 percent, predicted one analyst Monday, spelling bad news for the entertainment giant as it fends off competition from Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and Nintendo’s Wii consoles. Nomura Securities analyst Eiichi Katayama wrote in a report that he was lowering the firm’s shipment assumption for the Tokyo-based company’s fiscal third quarter of 2008. He said he now thinks that “shipments of the PS3 are unlikely to approach the figure of 20 million units seen for the PS2 during its heyday.” Nomura is lowering its shipment assumption to 10 million units, from 16 million previously, for Sony’s fiscal year ending in March, and downwardly revising its expectations for software sales. The Japanese financial firm had previously estimated Sony’s games business would report operating losses of ¥40 billion ($332 million) in the fiscal third quarter of 2008 but is now predicting losses of ¥124 billion ($1.03 billion) and expects the business to remain in the red for the fiscal third quarter of 2009 and beyond. Sony said last month it was on target to meet its sales goal of 2 million consoles worldwide by the end of 2006 and 6 million by the end of March 2007 (see Sony: On Target for 2M PS3s). But Nomura sees trouble for Sony and cut its target for the number of PS3 consoles shipped during the fiscal year ending in March to 4.5 million. For next year, it’s cutting the forecast to 10 million from 16 million, and for the following year it’s reducing the estimate to 11 million from 18 million. “We think management needs to correct as soon as possible the discrepancies we see in the PS3 business model, namely the gap between consumer expectations and the company’s views on the product, and by doing so to bring losses at the games business to a more tolerable level,” wrote Mr. Katayama. "

ps3 and blu-ray will both lose out to 360 and hd-dvd...it's inevitable. just look at all of the developers running away from the ps3 and from blu-ray.

1/15/2007 6:06:32 PM

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"just look at all of the developers running away from the ps3 and from blu-ray."

who

1/15/2007 6:15:18 PM

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"http://www.dsrevolution.com/article.php?articleid=1211 Rumor: Burnout, Star Wars, Harmonix and more! --- Jun 14th 9:37 am CDT posted by BenVasquez In the latest issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly, rumors are abound in all shapes and forms. Although there were many rumors pertaining to all three of the competing consoles, there were a few that could, in fact, change the way people view Nintendo, especially the Nintendo Wii: - EA is planning on a "massively multiplayer" Burnout but no console specifications were made - Many of the companies are shifting their focus and games from the PlayStation 3 to the Nintendo Wii for undisclosed reasons - A new music game is in the works by Harmonix - Two Star Wars games are in the works for the Nintendo Wii: One being developed by LucasArts which involves wielding a light saber, while the other game is from the Battlefront franchise. Console specifications were not mentioned and Pandemic is not working on the title. Many have talked about the coming of a Star Wars light saber game just because of how the Nintendo Wii controller is used. The news of Burnout is exciting because whenever EA made the Burnout franchise purchase, they stopped supporting the Nintendo GameCube, after the wonderful Burnout 2. The thing that is the most interesting is the news of companies abandoning the PlayStation 3 for the underpowered Nintendo Wii. Whether or not these rumors become true is up for grabs but DSRevolution will keep you posted! Source: Electronic Gaming Monthly"

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"You know, we as a neutral news source aren't supposed to be participating in the current Sony hate wave, but even for the biggest fanboys, there's no denying that the company has been struggling since the announcement of the Playstation 3. Manufacturing issues, high-level employees leaving, questionable marketing strategies...sadly, it looks like the trend is continuing. SCEA's long-standing manager of Developer Relations Mark DeLoura has quit his position and will soon be heading to Ubisoft North America's office as a technical director. At his new job, he is responsible for the quality of third-party games published by Ubisoft and the coordination with game developers wanting to work with the company. DeLoura is the second important employee to leave Sony after Senior Director Of Communications and Brand Development Molly Smith resigned from the company in June. DeLoura, a well-known face in the industry and author of several books on Game Development, had been with Sony since 1994 and has not stated the reasons for his departure."

from http://ps3.qj.net/Sony-Developer-Relations-Manager-Jumps-Ship/pg/49/aid/59682

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"A portion of a Game Informer interview with Gabe Newell, co-founder and managing director of the computer game development company, Valve Corporation. “The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It’s really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I’d say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a “do over”. Just say, “This was a horrible disaster and we’re sorry and we’re going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it”. The happy story is the Wii. I’m betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I’m crazy. I really like everthing that Nintendo is doing. “"

from GameInformer's interview...i can keep them coming if needed

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 6:43 PM. Reason : i grouped ps3 and blu-ray since i think one can't survive without the other]

1/15/2007 6:41:27 PM

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"what makes blu-ray so expensive? does it have ANYTHING to do with the hardware?"

Someone probably already answered this, but it's because the blue LED's are so freaking expensive. Hell, some companies have been tearing apart blue-ray players to use the laser diode inside in industrial class blue laser products (wickedlaser is one such company.) They do that because it can be cheaper to buy an off the shelf blue-ray player or ps3, tear it apart, and use the blue LED inside than it would be to buy the LED's directly (it also has to do with the fact that the quality inside the blue-ray device is guaranteed to be top of the line.)

http://www.wickedlasers.com/sonar.php

Keep in mind that the incredibly expensive wickedlaser products are class IIIb industrial laser products and not just extremely fancy laser pointers.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:08 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2007 7:04:14 PM

As far as PSP goes I was mainly reffering to the video disks, not the games, as being a format that didn't seem to get big. Then again I don't know what the actual statistics are, just an observation. Too lazy to do the research i guess.

1/15/2007 8:38:55 PM

Who the fuck wants to pay the same for a low quality DVD with no extras that you can only watch on a 3 inch screen?

1/16/2007 12:06:36 AM

hd dvd vs blu-ray sorta depends on 3 things


the new grand tourismo
a new grand theft auto
and halo 3

1/16/2007 12:18:57 AM

The reason UMD's died is because it was just as easy, and free (aside from the cost of a memory stick), to load video files onto a memory stick and watch them on the PSP. Why buy a UMD when you can just bootleg and load it up for cheaper.

1/16/2007 1:30:58 AM

^^^ exactly.

1/16/2007 7:44:14 AM

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"If you bought a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player , you're an idiot...."

Fixed.

1/16/2007 9:14:39 AM

^ that's more what I'm thinking....

1/16/2007 9:46:53 AM

learn to think for yourselves people.


Just because Bill Gates said "PHYSICAL MEDIA IS DEAD!!!11" does not mean it is.

my proof: flying cars don't exist yet, and they were supposed to be here by 2000.

1/16/2007 12:25:22 PM