Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick.

Teams should trade all their 1st round picks for 6th round picks so they can find more players like Tom Brady.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:11 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2007 7:10:49 PM

^Enter the Washington Redskins.

1/15/2007 7:14:33 PM

hail

1/15/2007 7:15:29 PM

I dont know why you people are arguing about one star recruits coming to State



O'Brien got a late start on recruiting, I'm fine with hoping some of the no-names pan out since we arent really losing any of chuck's recruits.


Plus.....WE HAVE BEEN WAY UNDER THE SCHOLARSHIP LIMIT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW...WHO GIVES A FUCK IF WE GET A COUPLE OF SHIT PLAYERS.


and...this RB from NY had really good stats and was all-state..and he's fast. stfu

1/15/2007 7:19:24 PM

That's why you don't get rid of guys like cignetti and portee

1/15/2007 7:23:01 PM

portee is old and probably finished with his career. i'm sure TOB will keep him around in some aspect, likely administration if portee would want too. cignetti would be a loss, but what is the love obsession with our former staff? What did they do that was so damn great?

I am excited about a staff with a base unity already and not a staff full of guys from different programs. Staff cohesion is BIG.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:27 PM. Reason : 1222222]

1/15/2007 7:26:56 PM

cignetti was recruiting coordinator, Portee is a great coach, but alas, they have been booted to the curb.

Sure chuck was a bad coach, but other coaches were better than the coaches now.

Quote :

"I am excited about a staff with a base unity already and not a staff full of guys from different programs. Staff cohesion is BIG."

cohesion with the staff and the players is also key. That's why you typically keep one or two guys around staff to staff.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 7:28:30 PM

wasn't the rumor that archer wanted to keep cignetti on defensive staff?

1/15/2007 7:29:01 PM

cignetti and portee are no longer listed as members of the coaching staff.

1/15/2007 7:29:41 PM

laurence maroney's 40 time is around 4.5, hewas 215 at the combine


so is deangelo williams' who was 207 at the combine

1/15/2007 7:31:21 PM

hah. I guess this guy is the new mix of earl and hcngay. Thinking he knows everything when he doesn't know shit. Fact.

1/15/2007 7:37:52 PM

Nope, I know my shit.

1/15/2007 7:40:44 PM

well, im sure he knows more than Tom O'brien, I mean its not like he's a fucking head coach or anything

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:47 PM. Reason : n]

1/15/2007 7:46:58 PM

this little cliched logical fallacy again?

1/15/2007 7:47:45 PM

you son of a bitch, August is 7 months away and already with this stupid shit ... you know your shit? Well why don't you eat it

1/15/2007 7:49:03 PM

4.5 is obviously slow

1/15/2007 7:50:25 PM

the point is, no matter how much you think you know about the current state football situation, you don't know as much as TOB. no matter how much you think you know about coaching and recruiting in college football, you don't know as much as TOB. i'm not saying that you cannot criticize a coach, but don't act like he's doing it wrong and you know how to do it right.

1/15/2007 7:51:48 PM

Your right. up until we hired TOB, I knew more about the state of State football and what was needed. I guess we just developed some linebackers and safeties over on Centenial campus and we're all set in that position.

and yes, 4.5 measurement from a high school coach is slow. That typically translates into a 4.8-5.0 40 speed if acurately done as they typically are done at camps.

1/15/2007 7:53:35 PM

Have faith. We're winning the ACC championship fellas.



[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 7:54 PM. Reason : /]

1/15/2007 7:54:10 PM

Quote :

"That typically translates into a 4.8-5.0 40 speed if acurately done as they typically are done at camps."

I giggled

1/15/2007 7:55:09 PM

lol it's all about the time expanding

1/15/2007 8:00:25 PM

I just became dumber reading this post. Whining about punters and running backs. Dude nutcancr thanks for a STUPID post. I think Nathan Franklin from my HS will be kicking next year, then again I know bradley as well and someone said he has been booting the hell out of the ball lately.

1/15/2007 8:11:39 PM

^^^You do realize that these 40 speeds everyone parrots are on par to be world record paces that no olympic athlete has ever been timed at doing?

^you missed the point. We are set at punter and kicker, we need line backers and safeties and we have two scholarships left now. Why waste one on a juco punter from cali?

1/15/2007 8:17:47 PM

why don't you just wait and see what happens instead of whining like a little bitch.

1/15/2007 8:19:49 PM

Quote :

"You do realize that these 40 speeds everyone parrots are on par to be world record paces that no olympic athlete has ever been timed at doing?"

did you just make that up? a 4.5 second 40 extrapolates to be ~12.3 second 100m. highschool girls run that. clearly you can run 40 yards at a faster pace than 100 meters, but come on.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 8:32 PM. Reason : d]

1/15/2007 8:29:43 PM

Quote :

"That typically translates into a 4.8-5.0 40 speed if acurately done as they typically are done at camps"

hahahaha

40s are not accurately time anywhere, not even the damn NFL draft combine.

1/15/2007 8:39:47 PM

^^wrong. a 4.5s 40 time converts into a little over a 10 second 100m time, of which only the top sprinters in the world can do. you can't hit full speed immediately from the opening shot, and almost all of the first 40 yards is spent trying to accelerate the body to top speed.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 8:41 PM. Reason : people claiming 4.2 and 4.1 40 times should have their head examined]

1/15/2007 8:40:47 PM

in any event 10 second 100m are realitivly common...


which is why I giggled well that and the conspiracy theory that is football coaches.

(while I argee times are exaggerated .... 5 tenths of a second ? I mean give me a break 5.0 is middleof the pack lineman speed)

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 8:48 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 8:44:43 PM

jockey box

1/15/2007 8:57:51 PM

Quote :

"a 4.5s 40 time converts into a little over a 10 second 100m time, of which only the top sprinters in the world can do."

sub 11 100s are not seen only by olympians. and i'm not exactly sure what you're logic of that conversion is either.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:06 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2007 9:04:18 PM

you really are that fucking stupid, aren't you? Is the concept of acceleration way beyond the scope of your cognitive abilities?

1/15/2007 9:06:57 PM

Quote :

"in any event 10 second 100m are realitivly common... "

the world record for the 100m is 9.77 seconds. 10 second 100 meter times aren't seen outside of olympic qualifiers, and they are NEVER seen in high school.

the fastest 100m time ever recorded in North Carolina high school competition is 10.40s.

1/15/2007 9:12:00 PM

I'm willing to bet Toney Baker doesnt run a 4.5 anymore, but nobody's bitching about having him playing for us.


This NY RB that we just landed averaged 8.6 yards per carry and was all-State. Look at that rather than the 40 time dipshits.


Plus, he played Linebacker for his high school team as well. All of you go to hell....LOCK

1/15/2007 9:25:40 PM

Quote :

"you really are that fucking stupid, aren't you? Is the concept of acceleration way beyond the scope of your cognitive abilities?"

i understand that, what i don't understand is how you figure how fast a 4.5 40 is in a 100m based simply on the fact that you are accelerating in a 40. i'm going out on a limb to say that you are guessing, at best.

1/15/2007 9:26:29 PM

100-Meter Dash 10.38 Brandon Saine, Piqua Dayton 2006


http://www.ohsaa.org/Sports/records/tfrecrd.htm



100m 10.46 JERMAINE STAFFORD, Franklin, Rochester; Arcadia/Foot Locker Invitational, Arcadia, CA 9Apr94



http://www.armorytrack.com/records/nys.htm



100 Meters (legal wind)
10.25 -Henry Thomas (Hawthorne) 1985
10.29 -Ricky Carrigan (Compton) 1991
10.30A -Quincy Watts (Taft, Woodland Hills) 1987
10.30 Riley Washington (Southwest, San Diego) 1992
10.31 *Bryan Howard (Canyon Springs, Moreno Valley) 1994
10.32 -Rodney Glass (Notre Dame, Sherman Oaks) 2006
10.33 -Marques Holiwell (West, Bakersfield) 1995
10.34 -Kenny O'Neal (Skyline, Oakland) 2004
10.34 -Warren Rogers (Serra, Gardena) 1999
10.36 -Jamere Holland (Taft, Woodland Hills) 2006
10.36 Corey Ealy (Muir, Pasadena) 1987
10.37 Pat Johnson (Redlands) 1994
10.38 -Jonathan Williams (Temecula Valley, Temecula) 2006
10.39 Kenny Robinson (Berkeley) 1981
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State-meet record: 10.30 Riley Washington (Southwest, San Diego) 1992
Senior all-time state best: 10.25 Henry Thomas (Hawthorne) 1985
Junior all-time state best: 10.27 Henry Thomas (Hawthorne) 1984
Soph all-time state best: 10.43 Bryan Howard (Canyon Springs, MV) 1993
Frosh all-time state best: 10.62 Marques Holiwell (West, Bakersfield) 1992



http://www.dyestatcal.com/rank/tr2006/July/30CaliforniaAllTime.htm



k.

I assume they're all a second off as well ?



randomly ... if you agreed that 10 second 100m results occur in NC how can you say they never happen in high school .. ?



[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:33 PM. Reason : 4.4-4.5 40 times are not to terribly tough to imagine 4.2-4.3 like ron mexico are a bitter harder]

1/15/2007 9:29:32 PM

for all the ignorant fucks in here that still can't grasp this concept, here's a link for you to read up on.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050418/news_1s18forty.html

Quote :

"There is no official world record for 40 yards. The shortest distance that the IAAF, track and field's international governing body, recognizes for world-record purposes is an indoor 50 meters, or about 54 yards. It is 5.56 seconds and it was set by Canadian sprinter Donovan Bailey in 1996. There is also a world record for 60 meters – 6.39 seconds by American Maurice Greene in 1998. But it is another Canadian, Ben Johnson, who is believed to have run 40 yards faster than any human in history. Johnson is best known for injecting copious amounts of steroids and winning the 100 meters at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul in 9.79 seconds, only to have his gold medal and world record stripped after failing a post-race drug test. Timing officials have since broken down that famed race into 10-meter increments, and Johnson was so preposterously fast that he went through 50 meters in 5.52 seconds and 60 meters in 6.37 – both under the current world records at those distances. He went through 40 yards that day in 4.38 seconds. He was running in spikes . . . on a warm afternoon perfectly suited for sprinting . . . with a slight tailwind . . . with years of training from arguably track's top coach, Charlie Francis . . . with Carl Lewis and six others of the fastest men on the planet chasing him . . . with 69,000 people roaring at Seoul's Olympic Stadium . . . with hundreds of millions of people watching on TV . . . with the ultimate prize in sports, an Olympic gold medal, at stake. And, as we learned later, with muscles built with the assistance of the anabolic steroid stanazolol. "

and yet half of the NFL and 20% of college football players claim to have faster 40 times. if this doesn't clue you in that the 40 yard dash is a fucking joke of a statistic, then nothing will. 40 times are like bench press strength on internet message boards - the numbers are inflated enough to match what everyone else is boasting.

1/15/2007 9:30:02 PM

Quote :

"I'm willing to bet Toney Baker doesnt run a 4.5 anymore, but nobody's bitching about having him playing for us. "

Toney is a power back.

also, this underwood kid has been playing against lower levels of competition. He hasn't been playing against the best kids in the state.

1/15/2007 9:36:40 PM

neither was TA


or terrell davis in college ...

1/15/2007 9:37:57 PM

hah. and we saw how TA turned out.

1/15/2007 9:38:39 PM

I knew someone was going to say that :x


setting the freshman acc record for TD's is a pretty solid way to turn out. he pissed away the rest of his career not state.

1/15/2007 9:39:32 PM

a 10.4s 100m time is not a 10s 100m time. quit mistaking them. that digit after the decimal makes a hell of a difference. If you are so sure that there is a high school student somewhere out there that has a flat 10 second 100m time, then why don't you just look on some of the national registries? you'll have trouble finding flat 10 second 100m times at most college universities.

1/15/2007 9:39:33 PM

Quote :

"converts into a little over a 10 second 100m time"

10th's of a second are a "little over" if you meant 10 flat then you got me.

1/15/2007 9:41:02 PM

Quote :

"or terrell davis in college ..."

he was a system back.

1/15/2007 9:43:33 PM

"system backs" dont rush for 2k in a season. or else the last 4-5 guys they had would have done it as well.

1/15/2007 9:44:44 PM

Look at who denver has turned into quality backs and get back to me. Denver is a complete system.

1/15/2007 9:45:53 PM

look at my previous comment and get back to me


colston .. explain

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:47 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 9:46:27 PM

Quote :

"10th's of a second are a "little over" if you meant 10 flat then you got me. "

I was referring to your comment about 10s 100m times being commonplace, not my comment. I was merely proving that 10s 100m times are only commonplace at the olympics.

1/15/2007 9:49:08 PM

when i say 10's are commonplace I meant 10.xx

sorry for the confusion

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:50 PM. Reason : and 10.xx times are commonplace]

1/15/2007 9:49:44 PM

^^^yet again, you pulled out another statistical outlier.


And they've perenially have had 1500 yard rushers. you haven't proved a single thing yet.

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:50 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 9:49:54 PM

why can you not fathom that the entire fucking point of this thread is to show the imporatnce of outliers in college athletics. schools that don't have their pick of athletes (ie us) have to make their money finding "diamonds in the rough" or outliers.



for TOB to succeed he has to develop the ability to find outliers before other people do.




1500 is a far cry from 2100.... there's been a lot of 1500 yard backs in the NFL. as I said, dont be a moron

[Edited on January 15, 2007 at 9:52 PM. Reason : .]

1/15/2007 9:51:50 PM