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TreeTwista10
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If the whole country in under martial law

1/18/2007 5:01:24 PM

bgmims
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"^^ Missed the entire point.

Dude, I'm not giving up my air condition, cable TV, and internet to go shoot at our government.

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No matter how grave an injustice you are forced to bear? No conditions exist that would cause you to rise up against the government?

If that is the case, then I am sad that your life and liberty are so meaningless.

1/18/2007 5:06:25 PM

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My existence is futile!

1/18/2007 5:09:46 PM

bgmims
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I can only assume so.

1/18/2007 5:13:43 PM

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Should I kill myself now since it's inevitable all this will happen?

1/18/2007 5:16:53 PM

JCASHFAN
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"^^ Missed the entire point.

Dude, I'm not giving up my air condition, cable TV, and internet to go shoot at our government."


Maybe that is the best point to be made.

But mind you the United States, unlike Iraq and Vietnam, don't have neighbors ready to supply an insurgency with weapons, training, equipment, and volunteers. I can't see either Mexico or Canada benifiting from a destabilized United States.

Either way, complacency and material posessions are well on their way to being the two defining objectives / characteristics/ themes of the 21st Century

[Edited on January 18, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : A man will fight harder for his interests than his rights" - N. Bonaparte]

1/18/2007 5:58:53 PM

TreeTwista10
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TypeA what would you do as far as confiscating guns if the entire country were under martial law? Why won't you answer the question?

1/18/2007 6:11:22 PM

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"an idealogical blinders"

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1/18/2007 7:57:22 PM

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^^ Why do you insist on asking that question? It's absurd to contemplate, and it's equally absurd for me to bother with an answer.

1/18/2007 8:02:30 PM

TreeTwista10
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^Well you were talking earlier about "Well, if they confiscate guns from everyone, what is the problem?" and I was looking for clarification

1/18/2007 10:08:33 PM

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And like I said earlier, you apparently can't follow thread progression because it was never about the entire United States.

1/19/2007 9:44:18 AM

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"So what you are saying is soldiers couldn't do house to house searches to find guns?"


I think that is part of the reason the framers of our constitution wanted us to have military firearms in the first place

1/19/2007 10:06:30 AM

hooksaw
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It has been said that when tyranny shows up at your door, it will be wearing an official badge.

1/19/2007 11:06:55 AM

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NO WAY

OUR GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER DONE THAT AND NEVER WILL

remember when the government thought it was ok to treat african americans horribly? creating laws that kept them down even after they were freed, that were so vague cops could enforce them against blacks and not against whites

remember the bonus army marchers in DC? eisenhower does... he led the charge against our own veterans

remember when the national guard decided to shoot protestors during Vietnam? Iguess it was ok to shoot hippies back then

whats to say they won't do it again...

1/19/2007 2:43:26 PM

jwb9984
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dude no one is going to take away your guns. it's okay man. relax

1/19/2007 2:50:47 PM

JCASHFAN
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^ and you make that blanket assertion based on, what?

1/19/2007 2:59:37 PM

pwrstrkdf250
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^^ why do you feel that way... seriously

some people are content, some aren't


the jews were content with being disarmed, it was a little too late once the trains showed up

1/19/2007 3:04:15 PM

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Do you remember a time when information couldn't spread across the country and globe in the blink of an eye? Do you remember when politicians didn't care about getting votes?

Americans would never let something as extreme as losing the right to bear arms slide by unnoticed.

You've said it yourself eleventy million times, current politicians don't do shit for us. Both sides are going to stay in the middle, and aren't going to go outside the bounds of "safe politics". Your guns are safe so long as they want to keep getting reelected.

Until there is some uber powerful lobby (think oil) that has a pretty good reason for banning guns, nothing is ever going to happen.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 3:22 PM. Reason : a]

1/19/2007 3:19:57 PM

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i had something written out addressing the jew comment and why i'm not constantly paranoid about muh guns, but i went back, re-read it and decided that the entire post could best be summed up by this:

1/19/2007 3:21:44 PM

TreeTwista10
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"Both sides are going to stay in the middle, and aren't going to go outside the bounds of "safe politics""


I would argue the opposite...the problem is that both sides arent going to get close enough to the middle for a compromise...each side sticks by their opinions and thats why very little gets accomplished

1/19/2007 3:24:48 PM

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"aren't going to go outside the bounds of "safe politics""


that's the main point. no politician that wants to continue to be a politician is going to go outside of the safe zone surrounding issues.

outlawing guns and going door to door to take away pwrstrkdf250's weapons is completely off the wall.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 3:31 PM. Reason : b]

1/19/2007 3:29:48 PM

pwrstrkdf250
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I didn't say they were going to do it

I said it could happen

I don't want it to happen either, but I'm not afraid to do something if it were to

1/19/2007 3:36:05 PM

TreeTwista10
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well right now thats outside the realm of "safe politics"...but is re-instating the Brady Bill outside of safe politics? I mean there would be grandfather clauses like the first ban, it would simply limit the firearms and magazine capacities you could buy...then if that were in place, another step that could limit firearms purchases, say just a longer waiting period, wouldnt be outside the current realm of "safe politics"...and things could add up

I mean how many of you would say the Patriot Act and some other 'terrorist communication monitoring" bills and acts were way too far right of "safe politics"?

1/19/2007 3:38:19 PM

JCASHFAN
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"Americans would never let something as extreme as losing the right to bear arms slide by unnoticed."


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"Dude, I'm not giving up my air condition, cable TV, and internet to go shoot at our government out of my house."


As long as a powerful lobby such as the NRA exists, you're probably right. But in that case, perhaps you've justified the paranoia in that, as long as it exists, it will prevent what it is paranoid of?

1/19/2007 4:20:41 PM

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