No you are a Christian if you believe the only true way to get into heaven is to believe that Jesus is the son of God and our Savior.

Jesus said the only way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven is through him. Therefore you must believe and be baptized to be saved.

2/21/2007 2:15:48 PM

judging implies subjectivity.

there's no subjectivity in pointing out the fallacy of claiming to believe in something, but actually believing something else.

2/21/2007 2:18:18 PM

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"judging implies subjectivity. there's no subjectivity in pointing out the fallacy of claiming to believe in something, but actually believing something else."

2/21/2007 2:19:15 PM

Unless you have a direct channel into anyone's thoughts I'd say that your perspective as to what others believe are highly subjective.

2/21/2007 2:22:23 PM

I didn't realize that mormonism allowed the type of free thought to individually diverge from documented beliefs.

Thanks for clearing that up.

2/21/2007 2:28:50 PM

In theology, beliefs tend to manifest in three degrees:
1)Scripture
2)Doctrine
3)Personal feeling/interpretation

To me, it seems using these three views on your theology would be the easiest to really classify. Different religions are separated by scripture, denominations by doctrine, and people by personal beliefs and interpretations. I'll still admit that it isn't always clear-cut using this, but I doubt there is a black and white definition in any way of separating religions.

2/21/2007 2:28:59 PM

^^yeah, the church encourages people to have a personal relationship with the Savior. Sorry to burst your bubble.

2/21/2007 2:34:46 PM

Ok ok, without getting sidetracked into the whole Christianity discussion, the basic lesson of this thread is:

Figure out that you have irreconcilable differences in goals/beliefs (be they religious, career, etc.) before you get engaged.

end thread.

2/21/2007 2:36:29 PM

I have a hard time not laughing at the Mormon guys when they come to my door.

2/21/2007 2:38:14 PM

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"Yeah, I could have told you this was going to happen, even if she had a choice to deviate from what the religion allows. I know several people that have has something similar happen, and if you weren't raised the way she was, you won't understand where she's coming from or vice versa."

But these issues were cleared up long ago or so I thought, I just hate the way they dont have an open mind about anything. Look at the ex-mormons on this board for proof.

And thanks bobby for the teehees.

2/21/2007 2:39:09 PM

speaking of teehees

let's talk about the magic underwear.

2/21/2007 2:53:47 PM

Oh yes, uncomfortable as hell as I have heard.

2/21/2007 3:00:46 PM

what mormons wear some special magic underwear???!!!

2/21/2007 3:01:29 PM

I don't want to appear judgmental, so perhaps, jbtilley can explain it. Unless it would put him on double secret probation for talking about it.

2/21/2007 3:03:05 PM

Once you hit a certain age and commitment level you are supposed to wear certain church approved underwears. They are an effort to keep you modest and such. Quite long, men wearing undershit and long boxers. You have to wear these in order to go into the temple/mission and such.

2/21/2007 3:05:25 PM

I just want to say that all of the mormon people (other than missionaries) i've dealt with have been very very nice people.

it's just the beliefs that are fruity to me.

2/21/2007 3:08:28 PM

^^^ha. If I'm not already on double secret probation.

Sure, when you go to the temple you receive "garments." They serve as a reminder of the covenants you have made.

^^It's not really and age thing, but yes you would start wearing them after you have gone to the temple (for marriage and/or missionary work as you say).

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 3:10 PM. Reason : ^]

2/21/2007 3:09:22 PM

so...if you have to wear these "garments" to temple, do they make you strip to make sure you're wearing the right underwear?

2/21/2007 3:11:13 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment_(Mormonism)

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"The garment is thought to symbolize the "coats of skins" which Jehovah (Yahweh) made for Adam and Eve before casting them out of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:21). It is worn, in part, to remind adherents that they have made special oaths and covenants to God. Members of the LDS Church today are commonly clothed in the garments, together with outer temple clothing, for burial. The garment and the covenants made in conjunction with it are believed to be a spiritual "shield and protection" against the powers of evil (and sometimes against physical harm, according to some Latter-day Saints)."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Magic+Underwear

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"1. Magic Underwear 47 up, 25 down A garment worn by extremely devout followers of the the mormon cult. It is basically a set of long underwear but the mormons beleive it protects them from evil. Some peole might try and argue that it isn't called magic underwear but if it really protects you from evil then its gotta be magic. You want an example? I donno, ask a mormon for one the next time one comes to your door to convert you. 2. magic underwear 34 up, 37 down Underwear of the mormon religion. Also known as Garments or simply G's. These Magic underwear give mormons the power of flight, invisibility, x-ray vision and gardening. Don't ask a mormon about his majic underwear or you will be attacked by an army of scary happy plastic robots Man, good thing I had on my magic underwear, or I would have been killed when that steam-roller rolled over me."

This seems to be an interesting site:

http://www.exmormon.org/

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2007 3:11:18 PM

I went to her brothers sealing and me and the other young ones had to wait in the waiting room cause we aint have them panties.

2/21/2007 3:11:46 PM

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"so...if you have to wear these "garments" to temple, do they make you strip to make sure you're wearing the right underwear?"

'They' exert a certain level of trust in the membership. You do however need a temple recommend to enter. I guess that is what you were after.

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 3:16 PM. Reason : -]

2/21/2007 3:14:50 PM

Would any Mormons care to correct me if I'm wrong in saying that these are some of the beliefs your church teaches:

1) your can become an all-powerful god of your own planet through "eternal progression" wherein your inhabitants will worship you just like we worship God (Elohim as you call him) here on this planet

2) Mary was not conceived of the Holy Spirit but rather by God himself coming to earth and impregnating her through sexual intercourse

3) Jesus was a polygamist and had several wives such as Mary, Martha, and Mary Magdelene

2/21/2007 3:16:49 PM

Jesus also came to America to bring the light to the savages.

2/21/2007 3:18:06 PM

^^ wait, does that mean that mormons think that jesus is a motherfucker?

daaaaaaaaamn.....

2/21/2007 3:22:26 PM

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"1) your can become an all-powerful god of your own planet through "eternal progression" wherein your inhabitants will worship you just like we worship God (Elohim as you call him) here on this planet"

damn if that is true... this is more like an ancient tribal indigenous polytheistic/pantheistic religion than a supposedly divine monotheistic one.

2/21/2007 3:24:23 PM

1) Yes, you can derive that from our beliefs.

2) The official doctrine of the church on that matter is exactly what the scriptures say. Namely:

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Some members will give their own personal opinions on that matter, take things to the extreme, and say things like that. They are only offering their personal opinion though.

3) I've never heard this. Not even as an opinion from some of the more out there membership.

2/21/2007 3:25:41 PM

i used to know lots of mormons when i lived in las vegas. the families always seemed to have a minimum of 5 kids, and were either very straight/boring or out of control.

2/21/2007 3:27:42 PM

it's all "christian" to me. catholicism is older than your protestantism and I will call it so.

2/21/2007 3:44:28 PM

Most protestant churches were derived out of problems within the catholic church fruitloop.

2/21/2007 3:45:54 PM

^ ahaha FRUITLOOP

that's what i use to address my gay and metro friends!

2/21/2007 3:47:52 PM

Cheng defenatly falls under one of those categories.


Lets get this straight, I dont care if she or anyone is a mormon, I am just pissed in their inability to accept others into their lives. Like church people are who you should always associate with.

2/21/2007 3:49:21 PM

it's all fruity to some degree.

People have a way of fucking things up for their own purposes.

You got your evangelicals who hide behind their bibles as a way to justify their hatred for homosexuals, muslims, etc.

The whole Catholic molestation fiasco...

and so on.

2/21/2007 3:50:07 PM

the catholics were christian first

but now the new kids claim christianity and say the OGs are fakes

childish, isnt it? Oh and they just wanted divorces

2/21/2007 3:57:46 PM

well, that's what Henry VIII wanted.

other protestants had other things to protest about, mostly valid. The Catholic Church has had more than one period of being really fucked up.

2/21/2007 4:00:44 PM

religion is weird

your chick choose her faith over you, well it happens

it was obviously going to have to be either you become moron or she gives it up

are you really surprised?

2/21/2007 4:02:38 PM

Church of England yes, others no.

2/21/2007 4:03:03 PM

just curious, skank, is religion something you two discussed before you proposed?

2/21/2007 4:04:06 PM

more importantly, did you not know that mormonism is one of the weirder of the mainstream religions

i mean, it should of tipped you off that you couldn't enter their fucking building

their exclusivity kind of pisses me off

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 4:05:30 PM

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"it was obviously going to have to be either you become moron or she gives it up"

freudian slip... i hope? NOT!

2/21/2007 4:10:27 PM

the catholics don't allow blacks

2/21/2007 4:10:44 PM

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"just curious, skank, is religion something you two discussed before you proposed?"

Oh yes, it has been covered at length. She wasnt even that involved before we got together, she likes it cause she is comfortable there and knows the people. It has nothing to do with the religion other than the fairytale of the eternal marriage that she has been forcefed all her life. She was very open to considering other religions.

2/21/2007 4:14:40 PM

does religion matter TO YOU?

you know, you could always fake it...

(edit) you could just say, you know baby, it's not that big of a deal to me, but i'll become a mormon if it makes you happy...

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 4:15:54 PM

^^ That really blows then... sounds like she either led you on and backpedaled, or suddenly became super devout. Either way, you got shafted. Better it happened now then after you got married and she became entitled to half of your shit.

2/21/2007 4:19:17 PM

from experience, not all mormans are hardcore followers.... they have your typical sluts, goody goods, and hardcore followers.

2/21/2007 4:20:13 PM

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"Lets get this straight, I dont care if she or anyone is a mormon, I am just pissed in their inability to accept others into their lives. Like church people are who you should always associate with."

Anyone who is strongly religious will have potential to not work out romantically with someone outsider their religion. It can become a big issue in raising children. Plus, religion is a REALLY big part of their lives, so it is kind of a big hurdle to get over. I personally doubt that I could be with someone who has clashing beliefs on an important subject as religion.

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"childish, isnt it? Oh and they just wanted divorces "

Plenty of non-Catholic Christians believe divorce to not be an option. There are a number of other parts of the Catholic religion that people want to be distanced from.

[Edited on February 21, 2007 at 4:24 PM. Reason : .]

2/21/2007 4:21:49 PM

Every time mormoms book contradicts itself they change it and say the previous translation was flawed...

Also I have heard that the Golden plates were 175-225 pounds based on dimensions given. Others claim they weight 30-60 lbs.

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"A solid gold block of totaling 288 cubic inches would weigh a little over 200 pounds.... But the plates would weigh much less than a solid block of the same metal. The unevenness left by the hammering and air spaces between the separate plates would reduce the weight to probably less than 50 percent of the solid block."

Ok so why would they hammer metal plates with inscriptions. Thats just silly...

He was said to carry them all over in a pillow case I believe.

Mormons are NOT Christians.

2/21/2007 5:07:09 PM

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"^^ That really blows then... sounds like she either led you on and backpedaled, or suddenly became super devout. Either way, you got shafted. Better it happened now then after you got married and she became entitled to half of your shit."

Thats how I am trying to view it, its hard considering there were NO warning signs.

2/21/2007 5:10:39 PM

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"Thats how I am trying to view it, its hard considering there were NO warning signs."

In all honesty, it seems to me like she was probably hoping you would become a Mormon and if you didn't she could deal with it. And eventually, it became apparent that you were not going to become a Mormon and she realized she couldn't handle not having her Mormon wedding.

2/21/2007 5:19:44 PM

I let that be known about a year into the relationship. We have been together for over 5 years.

2/21/2007 5:25:22 PM

check yo pm ho

2/21/2007 5:26:17 PM