talk about a strawman

3/2/2007 10:12:18 AM

not really considering people in TSB have blamed Bush for pretty much everything they perceive as bad in the last 6 years....anyone who actually read through any TSB threads would know thats obvious

ps...its "straw person" you misogynist

3/2/2007 10:19:54 AM

and you're still perpetuating the strawman

3/2/2007 10:20:54 AM

so you dont really have anything to say regarding presidents getting fair or unfair blame...k just making sure you didnt have anything of substance to add

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 10:22:57 AM

you haven't said anythign on the topic except for that one strawman, so who are you to criticize?

3/2/2007 10:26:58 AM

if my comment about bush being blamed for everything is the strawman you claim it should be simple for you to easily refute it...and easily refuting it != "talk about a strawman"...so i guess just keep trolling me if thats all you are going to do anyway

and its "straw person"

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 10:35 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 10:35:00 AM

he hasn't been blamed for everything.

3/2/2007 11:23:48 AM

^^just because one or two douches go overboard with it you can't issue a blanket statement for all TSB. You also can't deny he had made some dumb ass decisions on a colossal scale.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 11:48:44 AM

^^he pretty much has

^more like 40 or 50 douches aka the majority of TSB

3/2/2007 12:41:11 PM

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"You also can't deny he had made some dumb ass decisions on a colossal scale"

3/2/2007 12:51:39 PM

so him making dumb decisions means he gets the blame for everybody's dumb decisions, like people who see a cat5 hurricane on the radar and decide to just ride it out? or 9/11 since he was in office...or the entire Iraq war because some different people got bad intelligence? people always want someone to blame and they already dont like bush, might as well blame him for anything they dont like...gas is 2.80 a gallon? fuck bush!

3/2/2007 12:54:39 PM

i'm blaming him (and his admin) for getting us into iraq. people were saying his intelligence was bad at the time and they didn't listen.

3/2/2007 1:12:17 PM

^and there were also people saying the intel was good (i.e. the Russians). Goes both ways.

3/2/2007 1:16:47 PM

we should err on the side of starting a war obviously.

3/2/2007 1:22:38 PM

its not like they were light charges

Its amazingly easy to criticize the past...

3/2/2007 1:24:25 PM

i criticized it plenty then too.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:25 PM. Reason : as did MANY others]

3/2/2007 1:25:12 PM

lets err on the side of overhauling our entire national tranportation system because of the intelligence we have about climate change

3/2/2007 1:25:52 PM

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"so him making dumb decisions means he gets the blame for everybody's dumb decisions, like people who see a cat5 hurricane on the radar and decide to just ride it out?"

first of all most of the people who stayed had nowhere to go.

second, the administrations critisim comes from the fact that once shit hit the fan (and everyone knew it hit the fan), they didn't do anything for damn near a week. Not to mention the head of the relief efforts (backed by bush), had no experience in such a role.

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"or the entire Iraq war because some different people got bad intelligence"

Colin Powell would surely have something to say about that.

3/2/2007 1:26:51 PM

in regards to Katrina, did you notice how Bush got maybe 99% of the blame while Ray Nagin and FEMA and local and state emergency relief agencies all seemed to share the other 1% of blame? Does that seem like an accurate distribution of actual blame?

3/2/2007 1:28:21 PM

i thoughty brown was catching most of the flack.

the most shit that bush was getting was from his support of brown.

3/2/2007 1:29:52 PM

^bingo the man was grossly underqualified for the position.



[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:32 PM. Reason : and bush pretty much put him there b/c he though nobody would notice/care.]

3/2/2007 1:31:08 PM

I think you'd be surprised how many people would still say Katrina is Bush's fault

3/2/2007 1:36:09 PM

how can you even quantify that without actual numbers?

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:37 PM. Reason : s]

3/2/2007 1:36:52 PM

^^again, don't blame the masses for the ignorance of the few.....

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:37 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 1:37:14 PM

more like dont excuse the masses for the rationale of a few

3/2/2007 1:37:57 PM

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"lets err on the side of overhauling our entire national tranportation system because of the intelligence we have about climate change"

Tree, I LOVE IT! haha

3/2/2007 1:38:01 PM

^^funny b/c bush's rationale has got the U.S. masses in a quagmire.

3/2/2007 1:40:38 PM

^see, you're blaming bush for something else in that post, right?

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:41 PM. Reason : typo]

3/2/2007 1:41:21 PM

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"more like dont excuse the masses for the rationale of a few "

more like neither of us really knows for sure, so theres no point in speculation.

3/2/2007 1:41:29 PM

^^who else ordered the invasion of Iraq?

3/2/2007 1:43:17 PM

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"lets err on the side of overhauling our entire national tranportation system because of the intelligence we have about climate change"

i'd rather do that than be responsible for a war which caused the deaths of tens of thousands of women and children

3/2/2007 1:43:37 PM

^^you make it sound like bush gathered intelligence and bush, by himself, decided to invade iraq

which is obviously not the case when you have hundreds of people, if not thousands, gathering intelligence, and he has his advisors and cabinet...but like i said earlier, people want somebody to blame (even though its too early to know what will eventually come out of iraq) and bush sure is convenient...i mean tons of people liked to blame herb when our team lost because he is ultimately the leader!

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ^^]

3/2/2007 1:45:14 PM

5^ Well he did appoint the person who was in charge of FEMA who had no emergency management experience. Bush was so concerned about getting his political cronies into office, he didn't even take the time to find a suitable person to head our country's emergency management. Political appointees were intended to allow the president to quickly put the most qualified person to head an agency. Instead it has become a farce, where campaign donators and political cronies are appointed, regardless of experience.

I personally think it is an impeachable offense to appoint someone with no experience to be head of an agency tasked with saving lives and disaster response. People probably died because the Micheal Brown had absolutely no experience in emergency management, and the agency could not do anything until he got his head out of his ass and let the people do their job. So yes, I indirectly blame Bush for the Katrina response.

"So, you gave $200,000 to my reelection campaign? I'll make you in charge of the EPA!" Perhaps we can make the CEO of Exxon-Mobil's daughter the Secretary of Defense too.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:48 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 1:47:07 PM

anybody who thinks Bush is the first or last President to give jobs to his friends is a moron

and anybody who ultimately blames a man for the destruction that mother nature causes is a bigger moron

3/2/2007 1:48:52 PM

^^exactly, and it's not a bush thing per se, I would expect any pres with a history of stupid decisions to be criticized.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ^]

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"and anybody who ultimately blames a man for the destruction that mother nature causes is a bigger moron "

of course they are, but I don't see anyone saying bush caused katrina, just that he treated it like it could wait.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 1:49:44 PM

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"anybody who thinks Bush is the first or last President to give jobs to his friends is a moron"

just because its been done before, it doesnt mean its the right thing to do. this was the perfect example of how doing this can cause big problems.

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"and anybody who ultimately blames a man for the destruction of mother nature is a bigger moro"

again, no one is blaming anybody for katrina, people are being blammed for the poor response to the situation.



[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : g]

3/2/2007 1:50:34 PM

i just think its a lot easier to point the finger at the man up top than it is to do any investigation into what happened...why watch game film after a loss when you can just blame sendek

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"but I don't see anyone saying bush caused katrina"

so nobody has insinuated that bush's refusal to be environmentally proactive in national policies on pollution have created a more turbulent climate likely to put off much stronger hurricanes? no former vp's with oscars have ever said anything remotely similar?

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 1:51:16 PM

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" People probably died because the Micheal Brown had absolutely no experience in emergency management"

No, people died b/c they're fucking retarded to live in a city BELOW sea level in a hurricane prone region.

3/2/2007 1:52:03 PM

...says the guy who lives on a severly overcrowded island.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : o]

3/2/2007 1:52:44 PM

i think what he's saying is that people likely wouldn't have died if FEMA was run more effectively at the time.

3/2/2007 1:52:46 PM

Nepotism has existed for centuries. Usually you make someone the Ambassador to New Guinea or Malta or something unimportant. You don't make them the head of a cabinet level agency. I don't think any president has done to this extent. It equates to the outright purchasing of government. You can buy yourself into a position in which you can interfere with an agency's administrative actions and shape policy that is not in the public interest.

3/2/2007 1:54:06 PM

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"I don't think any president has done to this extent"

any basis whatsoever for this claim?

3/2/2007 1:54:52 PM

^^^^that is 20 ft above sea level and that has over 20 tunnels/bridges leading off the island.



[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : ^^]

3/2/2007 1:54:56 PM

yeah, those tunnels and bridges work great even when there isnt an emergency.

if something ever happened to nyc where everyone needed to evacuate quickly, you are pretty much screwed.

3/2/2007 1:56:27 PM

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"No, people died b/c they're fucking retarded to live in a city BELOW sea level in a hurricane prone region."

Blame the victim eh? Those people in Alabama who died the tornadoes totally deserved it.... don't they know they live where tornadoes can occur? They should move to Alaska and they wouldn't have this problem.





[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 1:58:12 PM

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"^and there were also people saying the intel was good (i.e. the Russians). Goes both ways."

hehe. THE RUSSIANS BELIEVE US, TIME TO GO TO WAR!!!

3/2/2007 1:58:20 PM

Treetwista are you going to introduce any sort of rational argument or are you just going to continue to troll?

3/2/2007 2:00:00 PM

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"so nobody has insinuated that bush's refusal to be environmentally proactive in national policies on pollution have created a more turbulent climate likely to put off much stronger hurricanes? no former vp's with oscars have ever said anything remotely similar? "

maybe, but those people would be dumb asses. for cereal.

Tree, it looks like you automatically equate not liking bush with being a hardcore liberal. is this true?

3/2/2007 2:00:06 PM

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"Treetwista are you going to introduce any sort of rational argument or are you just going to continue to troll?"

I don't get it. I reply to Twista, and I am derailing threads. But when a collective of you do it, it's ok?

3/2/2007 2:01:38 PM

^^so Al Gore is a dumbass? Cause thats obviously who I was talking about

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"Treetwista are you going to introduce any sort of rational argument or are you just going to continue to troll?"

I ask you if you have any basis for your claim that Bush has put more 'friends' in govt jobs than any other President and your only response is asking if I am going to keep trolling? I'll take that as a "No, I don't have any basis for my claim that Bush has probably hired more friends than any other President"

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"Tree, it looks like you automatically equate not liking bush with being a hardcore liberal. is this true"

not at all...dont know exactly where you surmised that...im simply saying he is easy to blame when you can always use the argument that, as president, he is ultimately responsible for everything...he's an easy target for many it seems

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/2/2007 2:06:40 PM