Page 2 says hockey players are so tough that they wear pads and helmets

3/9/2007 3:33:21 PM

^

Page 2 says NBA players are so tough they assault the crowd.

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : a]

3/9/2007 3:34:33 PM

yeah because all NBA players assault the crowd

3/9/2007 3:45:48 PM

and all NHL players are thugs?

Are there assholes playing in the NBA? Yes.
Are there assholes playing in the NHL? Yes.

3/9/2007 3:48:09 PM

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"Are there assholes playing in the NBA? Yes. Are there assholes playing in the NHL? Yes."

good we agree

but these topics always bring up shitty stereotypes that are false...and on page 1 of this thread, the steretypes seem to be more negative towards the NBA...i'm just trying to balance things out

I don't tend to hate on hockey much...I usually just ignore it to some extent...but when people are spouting out a bunch of ignorant racist bullshit I try to at least put some things in perspective

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 3:55 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2007 3:54:09 PM

I don't understand how you stooping to the level of the vocal minority of people (who may or may not be hockey fans) calling NBA players thugs has helped anything.

You just make yourself look as ignorant as them.

There is so much ridiculous shit in this thread on both sides that I don't even know where I would begin if I tried to respond to it all.

3/9/2007 3:57:22 PM

if i make myself look as ignorant as them to people who are rational on both sides, then thats fine with me AS LONG AS i somehow strike a nerve with even one of them and get them to rethink their prejudices

I'm not turning the tables to point out the flaws of hockey to look like a smart fan...but sometimes people dont realize how dumb the stuff they say is unless they hear an equivalent that effects them or something they like

if me saying hockey players are pussies because they wear pads somehow gets one goofball to think to himself "you know what...maybe its innaccurate to label a 450-athlete pro league like the NBA as a bunch of ghetto thugs who fight fans just because of one isolated incident...then i have succeeded

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 4:01 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2007 3:59:40 PM

The problem is you are striking a nerve with EVERYONE who is a hockey fan, including the people like myself who would have been on your side if you had, say, made a thread dispelling the notion by some that NBA players are thugs.

3/9/2007 4:01:15 PM

again, i'm not doing it for you or the other rational fans...think of me what you will...but

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"sometimes people dont realize how dumb the stuff they say is unless they hear an equivalent that effects them or something they like"

i'm attempting to give an equivalent

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2007 4:02:06 PM

why is there more attention on the NBA? because of the fact that they receive a shit load more media coverage than the NHL usually...and to be honest theres a lot of media hype on the drama/rivalries of the NBA. Omg Kobe raped a woman? Shaq vs Kobe who wins? Dennis Rodman died his hair today, What color is it? Find out at 10!! etc etc etc.

Why is there more media for the NBA?....My guess would be because the media/people can usually associate one player with a team. I'm not saying that one player carries the entire team, but the media hype makes you believe it. The prime example, Shaq with the Lakers, Jordan with the Bulls, etc. Without that one player, those teams wouldn't be as famous. Whereas hockey, its more of a team and most people don't follow one person's stats/life

3/9/2007 4:05:47 PM

When NBA players fight it seems like it's instigated due to a player's pride.

When NHL players fight it seems like it's instigated out of comraderie.

Then again, that might just be because a number of NBA come off as cocky in interviews, whereas hockey players just never talk to the media.

3/9/2007 4:08:18 PM

NBA players get the "thug" label as much for their off-the-court antics as what they do on the court.

Of course prejudices and stereotypes are at play here as well.

3/9/2007 4:10:24 PM

^,^^,^^^ this is the type of discussion i enjoy on the topic

3/9/2007 4:12:38 PM

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"NBA players get the "thug" label as much for their off-the-court antics as what they do on the court."

this is basically the nail on the head here.

3/9/2007 4:24:50 PM

Wayne Gretzky runs a gambling ring.

THUG!

3/9/2007 4:32:30 PM

Actually it was his wife.

THUG!

3/9/2007 4:34:36 PM

WRONG THREAD

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 4:52 PM. Reason : LOL]

3/9/2007 4:51:59 PM

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"and for the record, yes the term "thug" is still reserved for minorities who act/speak/dress like they live in harlem....aka the NBA"

what the fuck are you talking about, jason? in the united states, "thug" was first associated with italians and irish miscreants and gangs as early as the mid-1800's. before that, the slang was used in british society and literature. and long before that, it was being used in india and the middle east.

[Edited on March 9, 2007 at 6:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2007 6:55:21 PM

I'm just curious though, can anyone who says NHL players arn't labeled as thugs, name more than 10-15 hockey players?

I love hockey, I used to play and still follow it constantly, I can easily name a couple players who are thugs/"enforcers" who will sometimes go out on the ice and try to start stuff. The media doesn't really follow it unless you're up north or its something drastic like Jesse Boulerice or Marty McSorley.

As far as off the ice? The media never really follows it.
For NBA players, the media loves it and while some people rightfully earn their "thug" status, the media will sometimes blow things out of proportion and make things seem worse than they are. Hype is what sells the media.

Do NBA players deserve this extra attention when its harmful sometimes? ::shrug:: In my opinion they do, when the average NBA salary is 3.7 million and the average NHL is 1.46 million.

3/9/2007 8:29:42 PM

salary differences definitely matter...higher wages in a sense mean higher responsibility...also since the nba is more worldwide than the nhl they might feel like their players are role models to more, or at least representatives of the league on a wider global scale, i dunno

3/9/2007 8:34:58 PM

Simon is suspended for the rest of the season + playoffs.

3/11/2007 11:53:55 AM

^^I'm not arguing with what you are saying, but without looking at the numbers I would say the NHL is more worldwide than NBA.

3/11/2007 2:24:02 PM

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"There is so much ridiculous shit in this thread on both sides"

3/11/2007 3:17:45 PM

when did "coloreds" become allowed to make threads?

3/11/2007 3:18:33 PM

Dude.

White people are the minority in the NFL.

3/11/2007 3:25:04 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/2007-03-08-islanders-rangers_N.htm?csp=34

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"The Rangers made Simon and the Islanders pay right away when Petr Prucha scored the tiebreaking goal with 5:14 left, just 1:17 into the power play. "The best retaliation is to score," Hollweg said. "I couldn't feel any better than when that puck went in. "I feel good, we got the win," he said. "I kind of lost my hearing for a bit after it happened. I might've been out for a second or two. The pain goes away when you get those two points.""

Now thats TOUGH.

3/12/2007 9:11:04 AM

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""The best retaliation is to score," Hollweg said. "I couldn't feel any better than when that puck went in."

If all hockey players felt this way we wouldn't be having this thread.

3/12/2007 10:06:23 AM

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""Didn't you know? Listening to that hippity-hop music and wearing baggy jeans makes you a thug. Hitting someone in the face with a stick means you are an intense competitor.""

3/12/2007 10:16:29 AM

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"I'm not arguing with what you are saying, but without looking at the numbers I would say the NHL is more worldwide than NBA"

i'm not arguing about hockey vs basketball...but I do think the NBA is more "worldwide" than the NHL...there have been NBA players from not only the US and Canada...but also Russia, Germany, Argentina, China, Japan, Korea, Africa, Croatia, Lithuania, Spain...now I don't know as much about the NHL but I thought that various regional hockey leagues might be bigger than the NHL if you are in say Russia?

Maybe there is a comprable number of different nations that the NHL is comprised of...for some reason I thought that even though hockey is big in some other countries, that they followed their own country's leagues moreso than the NHL? dunno

3/12/2007 12:20:41 PM

The NHL is the best hockey league in the world, period. While some teams do allow players to stay in their domestic leagues to develop instead of playing in the minors here (Henrik Lundqvist or Evgeni Malkin, for example), every player who can be in the NHL wants to be in the NHL, and people from other countries continue to follow those outstanding players when they arrive here.

3/12/2007 1:16:25 PM

By the way, which nation does the N in NHL stand for anyway?

3/12/2007 1:34:09 PM

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"there have been NBA players from not only the US and Canada...but also Russia, Germany, Argentina, China, Japan, Korea, Africa, Croatia, Lithuania, Spain"

there have been NHL players from not only the US and Canada...but also Russia, Germany, Ukraine, South Africa, Kazakhstan, Czech Republic, UK, Japan, Korea, Poland, Latvia, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Slovakia, Switzerland, Haiti (yes i double checked that one), and i'm sure there are probably more.

there is obviously a huge draw which drives home what vinylbandit said

3/12/2007 5:57:03 PM

I think its Canada eh, you know its the National sport up there. Who knows they just wanted it to sound official.

Chris Simon have fun on your extended vacation maybe you and that thug Todd Bertuzzi can comfort Tie Domi in the home.

3/12/2007 6:06:06 PM

Except that Bertuzzi is rolling into the playoffs with a #4 seed (and very possibly a #1).

3/12/2007 6:17:30 PM

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"I think its Canada eh, you know its the National sport up there. "

FYI, Lacrosse is the original National Sport of Canada. In 1994 the official declaration was amended to include hockey so they now have two official national sports.


Goon = Thug

I think the difference in the perspective or weight of the terms is an extension of the lack of racial epithets or disparaging terms for the majority (white people). I mean I, personally, can't think of anything someone can call me that would upset me or make me feel degraded because of my race... I mean there are terms like "honkey" and "whitey" seem comical.

I've always associated "thug" with African-American Urban culture (but not race specific) and I've always associated the term "goon" with white/European urban cultures (thinking like Irish/Italian mafia, Unions, etc). I've just always thought of it as being more specific in use of the term. I don't consider one worse than the other by any means, the terms are synonymous.

I also agree that the off-the-court/field problems that NBA and NFL players have run into in recent years has definitely applied to a more liberal usage of the term when talking about game-related incidents. I think probably the fact that players tend to be MUCH younger when they start a successful pro career in the NBA (compared to most leagues) that it fosters trouble. You have kids who are multi-millionaires before they can vote, and the normal youthful immaturity that would be burned through in college is magnified because there aren't the restrictions and supervision. Plus, basketball puts much more star status on individuals and at a MUCH earlier age which can have a dramatic impact on personality and social perception.

3/12/2007 11:49:31 PM

NOTHING RACIST, WRAL IS WATCHING.

3/12/2007 11:50:15 PM

^^word

3/12/2007 11:52:18 PM