but you do admit that a lot of it WAS stolen

so you cant really call this a white country

or if you do call it a white country, you cant say that immigrants dont have the right to take over our country

you cant have it both ways

3/15/2007 11:40:44 AM

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"or if you do call it a white country, you cant say that immigrants dont have the right to take over our country"

If non-white immigrants have the right to take over our country, then whites have the right to fight that and to take it away from non whites.

And back to the Indians. Much of the territory that is now the United States was not even inhabitted or claimed by the Indians. Further, many Indian tribes did not even claim ownership to the land, but believed it could not be owned.

I suspect that much of the land was purchased from Indians, much of it was never even claimed by any Indian tribe, and perhaps some of it was forcibly taken by whites.

3/15/2007 11:43:44 AM

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"I suspect that much of the land was purchased from Indians, much of it was never even claimed by any Indian tribe, and perhaps some of it was forcibly taken by whites. "

well there was a fundamental difference that you mentioned in that native americans believed the land was the Earth's whereas the settlers thought they should be able to own it

But I suspect much of the land was forcibly taken by whites, and perhaps some of it was purchased from Indians

So if whites were allowed to forcibly take the land from the Native American Indians...then whats wrong with having some black folks and asian people living in the US if they're not trying to take it over

I guess if I was a white supremacist like you I might have some idea of the point you are trying to make

3/15/2007 11:48:12 AM

Further, of the land that was forcibly taken by whites...much of that was resultant to wars between white settlers and Indian tribes. And the Indian tribes were often the instigators of those wars (and the white settlers were in no way at fault in precipitating the war). There were very many war-like and savage Indian tribes....who were, for example, at war with other Indian tribes (including over land ownership).

3/15/2007 11:51:03 AM

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"And the Indian tribes were often the instigators of those wars (and the white settlers were in no way at fault in precipitating the war)."

Wait wait wait

So if several boatloads of Chinese soldiers landed on a less-populated strip of, say, Oregon coast, and built a fort without really asking permission or anything, and we decided to fight them, we would be the instigators and the invaders would be blameless?

[Edited on March 15, 2007 at 12:08 PM. Reason : also, since when does being at war suddenly mean everyone can just come in and take your shit.?]

3/15/2007 12:05:35 PM

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME

3/15/2007 12:06:22 PM

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"So if several boatloads of Chinese soldiers landed on a less-populated strip of, say, Oregon coast, and built a fort without really asking permission or anything, and we decided to fight them, we would be the instigators and the invaders would be blameless?"

Strawman?

Look. All the land in the U.S. is already claimed.

Much of the land back in those days was not even claimed by any Indian tribe.

3/15/2007 12:26:07 PM

How do you know?

3/15/2007 12:33:49 PM

OK, so now all the Chinese have to do is come up with some new standard of land ownership -- of "claiming" -- and then they can do that and everything will be as I described it.

Because that's all we're talking about, is different "systems" of claiming. Indians thought that living on the place pretty much sufficed. Whites thought you needed a sheet of paper and government approval. It's not like that concept of land ownership was handed down by God Almighty. There could be others. Maybe China wants to say, "What? Individuals can't own land, that's a communal thing," then come, build their uninvited fort, and be blameless when we fight to kick them off.

3/15/2007 12:57:51 PM

salisburyboy do you dislike Robert Byrd because he willfully quit the KKK?

3/15/2007 12:58:00 PM

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"Further, many Indian tribes did not even claim ownership to the land, but believed it could not be owned. "

haha, suckas'
we really showed them who's boss on that point! am i rite?

3/15/2007 1:01:38 PM

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"It found that 59 per cent of people supported a halt to all further immigration to the UK"

Once again, you completely ignored the rest of the article that puts the statistic in context.

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"Much of the territory that is now the United States was not even inhabitted or claimed by the Indians. Further, many Indian tribes did not even claim ownership to the land, but believed it could not be owned."

A handful of nomadic tribes held that belief. You're trying to apply it to an entire race of people, which is one of the most blatantly ignorant things that you continue to do.

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"I suspect that much of the land was purchased from Indians, much of it was never even claimed by any Indian tribe, and perhaps some of it was forcibly taken by whites."

Perhaps? Your complete failure to understand American history blows my mind. Seriously, log off of the internet and go read a book. Hell, just go to a legitimate website and read about it. Your notion that the indians sold or gave up most of their land willingly is one of the most earth shatteringly stupid things that I have ever heard.

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"And the Indian tribes were often the instigators of those wars (and the white settlers were in no way at fault in precipitating the war)."

History says otherwise. Go read about the Black Hills War, Red Cloud's War, the Cayuse War, the Sand Creek Massacre, etc etc. In all honesty, there are at least 100 examples that prove you wrong. Of course, you hate facts, so please don't let them get in your way.

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"There were very many war-like and savage Indian tribes....who were, for example, at war with other Indian tribes (including over land ownership)."

You've asserted that indians didn't believe in land ownership. I'll say it again, you are all over the place in this thread.

Your very next post:

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"Much of the land back in those days was not even claimed by any Indian tribe."

I'll repost the comments that ignored:

Your source is the bible. You have yet to either prove that the events in the bible all happened and are accurately represented or to disprove the theory of evolution.

You have also yet to show that there is anything to support christian identity aside from 19th century pseudoscience.

Hopefully you're aware that "ethnic Britons" are the bastard children of the Celts, the Angles, the Saxons, the Normans, the Romans, the Norse, the Danes, and various others. Obviously they must hate diversity.

Do you want to get rid of all black people since you want America to be a "white country"?

World history is full of exceptions to the rule that you just made up. Please go read a book.

3/15/2007 2:30:59 PM

salisburyboy you make baby Jesus cry

3/15/2007 3:18:09 PM

I think there should be more Chinese in Mexico

3/15/2007 4:12:47 PM

i guess us white folks should've stayed in our sovereign european countries in the first place instead of coming across the atlantic and forcibly stealing all this land from the native americans

3/15/2007 4:21:53 PM

didn't we force all the black people to come here too?

im alittle rusty on my history.

3/15/2007 4:24:11 PM