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"I don't understand why Enloe is thought of as ghetto. Just because a school is 40-50% "black people" doesn't mean it is ghetto. Enloe is a very diverse school"

true, but the real question about diversity and enloe is how many black kids were in your AP Physics class? Or better yet, how many black kids were in any of your classes except for freshman health/pe except for the few that were bused in from cary/north raleigh?

3/23/2007 8:58:18 AM

I second the motion.

More japanese chicks in cary plz.

3/23/2007 9:27:25 AM

Consider it thirded.

3/23/2007 9:28:16 AM

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Well, let's put it like this. The part about inner city schools being rough was drawn from two main experiences. One are the stories from two middle-aged guys who went to school in downtown raleigh when there were some serious race riots going down (something like the rednecks versus the black people, if you will). I never bothered to look up whether or not it was true, but since another person confirmed that such a thing happened at that high school, and this other person was more or less a neutral party of the same age, I figured it was plenty possible.

The other thing I'm drawing off of is the kids in my high school from downtown Raleigh. One year they shifted districts and we started getting more kids from Raleigh going to our school. Those kids had the meanest fights and were the toughest kids in the school. In middle school some of those kids had a fight on the scale where they were throwing each other through glass windows, then getting back up and fighting again. Basically, the kids I knew who were from my area were a bunch of pussies who didn't start fights (myself included) and some of the more visual guys from Raleigh started some serious brawls that fucked some people up (not just a fist fight and somebody gets a bloody nose, the sort of fight where somebody goes to the hospital and both people get suspended for two weeks or something). I assume that's probably because they're from a rougher environment in the first place.

And yeah, I was babbling. I was going on no sleep that night and just felt like posting something ridiculous in the soapbox. BUUUT, if you're curious that's where my comments came from. I honestly don't know the name of the high school my survey job boss went to. I could e-mail him about it, but the name is mostly irrelevant when you consider it's stuck in my mind regarding racial fights from 30-40 years ago and we're talking about the modern conditions of Raleigh schools. Everything else were my own conclusions based upon the people I saw/met from Raleigh school districts.

[/wordy explanation of a slightly buzzed man's rant]

3/23/2007 11:55:02 AM

^ OMF ECONOMIC RACIST!!!1

3/23/2007 11:58:16 AM

I think Enloe is (or was) ghetto b/c a friend of mine had to transfer schools out of there b/c of a death thread. VERY SAFE!

3/23/2007 12:12:55 PM

^^






[Edited on March 23, 2007 at 12:14 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2007 12:14:43 PM

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"0.1% American Indian 12.5% Asian American 2.5% Latino 33.7% African American 48.3% Caucasian/White 2.9% Biracial Cary isn't much different 0.1% American Indian 7.3% Asian American 9.7% Latino 16.4% African American 62.9% Caucasian/White 3.6% Biracial"

How can you possibly say "Cary isn't much different" with those numbers?

Enloe's population representation is significantly different from Cary:
No change for American Indian
71% increase in Asian American presence at Enloe from Cary norm
75% decrease in Latino presence at Enloe
106% increase in African American presence at Enloe
23% decrease in Caucasian/White presence at Enloe
20% decrease in Biracial presence at Enloe

3/23/2007 12:18:50 PM

^Do you actually think that the level of diversity of a person's experience is that directly linked to the percentage spread of the people around them?

3/23/2007 12:20:47 PM

I didn't say anything about the "level of diversity of a person's experience" anywhere in my post. I simply pointed out that the representation of races from city to school is significantly different and to suggest otherwise is nonsense.

3/23/2007 12:26:58 PM

good read. i actually get into this all the time with people i meet. just for furture reference it's pretty fucking offensive when some one says " you don't act black". wtf did u expect me to rob u, trample you with my timberlands , then rap about it on the b-ball court while enjoying chicken and watermelon??

i have to agree though us blacks are responible for alot of this. i've been called things like "oreo" or "white boy " almost by black people almost as much as i've been asked why i don't act black by white people. granted part of it has to do with the fact that i'm obvious descendant of some slave owners who wanted to tatse brown sugar, but for the most part it's due to those negative stereotypes.

3/23/2007 12:38:00 PM

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"Mindstorm: The other thing I'm drawing off of is the kids in my high school from downtown Raleigh. One year they shifted districts and we started getting more kids from Raleigh going to our school. Those kids had the meanest fights and were the toughest kids in the school. In middle school some of those kids had a fight on the scale where they were throwing each other through glass windows, then getting back up and fighting again. Basically, the kids I knew who were from my area were a bunch of pussies who didn't start fights (myself included) and some of the more visual guys from Raleigh started some serious brawls that fucked some people up (not just a fist fight and somebody gets a bloody nose, the sort of fight where somebody goes to the hospital and both people get suspended for two weeks or something). I assume that's probably because they're from a rougher environment in the first place."

I'm confused. What do you mean by "visual"?

3/23/2007 12:44:38 PM

But stopdropnrol, you are so clean and articulate!

3/23/2007 12:53:31 PM

Yeah, describing rape as "wanting a taste of brown sugar" is so clean and articulate.

3/23/2007 12:55:25 PM

hahaha

Enloe is not ghetto

No school in Wake County is ghetto

Ya'll don't even know

3/23/2007 4:43:54 PM

I don't understand why you peons rag on Cary. Sure, it's a nice community, sure it's got tough laws that would probably keep most genetic drift in the storm drain, but hey WE CAN'T HAVE POKEDOT ROOFS OR NEON SIGNS, OH GOD FUCKSHIT.

Enloe is not a ghetto either, most of you people have not seen a ghetto school.

3/23/2007 4:53:46 PM

EAST NEW YORK BITCH!!!!

GET SOME

3/23/2007 7:59:46 PM

My son is black not.

3/23/2007 9:46:37 PM

I've experienced this for most of my life and have only worked through my anger about it in the last few years. One of the most diffcult parts of the experience is being asked to go back and be a role model for a community that rejected you almost wholesale.

I understand that it wasn't about me but about the sense of hopelessness that most of the kids felt and how I, by being academically ambitious, was exacerbating that pain. Nonetheless, it is especially hard to get over childhood slights.

When I was a young kid I used to hear the racist speak about a coming envitable race war. To me this was the most frightening thing imaginable. My family was black but all my friends were white.

For much of my ealry school days I eschewed any sense of cultural identity. I didn't listen to music. I did't wear stylish clothes. I did my best to avoid slang, so that I wouldn't have to be lumped into one category or another. Of course, this had little effect, since the absence of style was percieved to be an acceptance of mainstream "white" style.

This is a hard issue and I feel for the family dealing with it now.

3/24/2007 8:49:12 PM

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"What do you mean by "visual"?"

The kids throwing each other through the windows.

The guy making a huge scene by sucker-punching someone who calls him a bitch then repeatedly smashing in his face with his right hand.

Basically when you're walking along and see a crowd and the people fighting at the center of the commotion. Those are the "visual" people.

3/25/2007 12:24:16 AM

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"I understand that it wasn't about me but about the sense of hopelessness that most of the kids felt and how I, by being academically ambitious, was exacerbating that pain. Nonetheless, it is especially hard to get over childhood slights. "

Why is it that they feel hopeless, in your opinion?

3/25/2007 12:31:57 AM

My God, kwsmith2, we lived the same childhood!

Over the years, I've been told I "acted white" numerous times by ignorant folk; some even claimed they were "more black" than I was. Oreo was also a common slander from the neighborhood kids, even one of my sisters called me "whiteboy" on several occaisions. She is a real "roughneck" type who is graduating from Meredith this year. I was about to LOL when my mentor from a coop told me I was very articulate during my formal evaluation. So I've grown pretty accostomed to this mode of thinking from both sides of the street.

However, the most recent time I got upset from this comment was when a CHINESE guy told me I acted white!

Goddammit, I keep finding distractions that keep me from studying for this P-chem test. This tread was a good one.

3/25/2007 1:24:17 AM

You can't possibly be as white as that Obama guy. What a cracker...

3/25/2007 8:55:53 AM

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"She was describing Sam's friends, not white people in general. Given that this is in Cary, I'm not that surprised. The town is like 90% white. IIRC, God grew up in Cary and started a thread a few years back asking all kinds of questions about black people because he hadn't had much contact with them."

Haha, I think I remember that. Glad to see I got mentioned in this thread. It's true though, and sad. No one in my neighborhood was Black at all, I lived nearby Preston for most of the time I was in Cary. My only exposure of Blacks was via MTV (i.e. rappers, thugs) and school. And considering I went to Southeast Raleigh High School that let in all the poor kids from Raleigh, that exposure wasn't too good either.

Oh, and the only time I've ever been assaulted by someone in public was by a random Black fellow outside Duke's campus. I was with my younger brother and sister, and afterwards they were completely afraid of Black people, gg.

3/25/2007 1:40:04 PM

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"Mindstorm: The kids throwing each other through the windows. The guy making a huge scene by sucker-punching someone who calls him a bitch then repeatedly smashing in his face with his right hand. Basically when you're walking along and see a crowd and the people fighting at the center of the commotion. Those are the "visual" people."

Okay, let's replace your definition of "visual" into where you originally used the word...

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"Mindstorm: Basically, the kids I knew who were from my area were a bunch of pussies who didn't start fights (myself included) and some of the more visual huge-scene-causing, fight-starting guys from Raleigh started some serious brawls that fucked some people up (not just a fist fight and somebody gets a bloody nose, the sort of fight where somebody goes to the hospital and both people get suspended for two weeks or something)."

Seems a little redundant.

I'm still confused.

[Edited on March 25, 2007 at 2:48 PM. Reason : ?]

3/25/2007 2:48:08 PM

...

OK.

The kids from Raleigh were more likely to cause trouble than all the whitebread kids (including myself) from Cary. Or, if they were going to cause trouble, it was more likely to end up with somebody getting seriously hurt.

From this I gathered that the kids from Raleigh probably came from rougher districts, school and otherwise.

3/25/2007 3:13:37 PM

^Okay. I still don't know what the fuck "visual" means...but whatever.

You do realize Raleigh has a bunch of different areas and districts though, right?

I am really glad to hear you talk this way because I don't like it when folks in Apex, Cary, Garner, Knightdale, etc...say they're from Raleigh. It's cool that you distinguish the two and take pride in Cary. I mean, I wouldn't, but hey!

[Edited on March 25, 2007 at 5:09 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2007 5:09:11 PM

Yeah I know raleigh has a bunch of districts.

It WAS just a rant, k.

And Cary's plenty cool. It just gets a bad rep because of some of the scum that have moved in there in recent times. Yuppie trash is yuppie trash, and it's not JUST isolated to Cary.

That's another thread though, I guess.

3/25/2007 6:07:06 PM

As much as i cant stand white people that act like they can "relate" to black folks, I can seriously relate to some of the black people in this thread...All i listen to is rap music now a days...since like 2004, all i listen to is rap- its the only music that comes out with new stuff that i can tolerate now a days- i still like all the classic rock i grew up on, but ever since 2004, i've constantly had to deal with "you fucking nigger", "you listen to that nigger music", "why dont you listen to white people music", "damn josh, u might as well be black"- i kinda thought it was funny at first cause usually it was only white people telling me this, so i would just laugh and be like "god i'm glad i'm not a white person like that", etc...now i get it from both sides- i've even had a black person tell me "damn josh, u smoke like we do, listen to three 6 mafia, eat salt n vinegar chips...u is blacker than me" - idk it just gets anoying that people cant like a certain thing without being labled as a particular race

[Edited on March 26, 2007 at 10:39 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2007 10:38:20 AM

People told me I act 'white' for years. I more or less quit giving a fuck at about 17. And I HATE Salt and Vinegar chips

3/27/2007 9:07:10 PM

I really like salt and vinegar potato chips. Does that mean I'm black?

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"His friends had asked him why he didn’t act black. My husband and I were dumbfounded. We had been challenged ourselves with variations on this same question 30 years ago. But back then, we were being teased by our African-American peers, many of whom were growing up in communities where they saw little opportunity for success or achievement and where frustration took root early."

I'm reading Their Eyes Were Watching God now. The characters refer to each other as 'nigger' and talk about 'acting white'. Assuming that this is based on Hurston's childhood, this type of thing is pretty old.

3/27/2007 9:21:28 PM

I really like orange Hi-C

but i cant stand anything else at McDonalds. Id never make it in the black community.

3/28/2007 2:56:05 AM

kwsmith2 made a great post. It is wrong for blacks to hate on their own people in that manner, but it is also wrong for the same blacks "acting white (trying to succeed) to ignore the fact they are completely different from their community. This may be a positive for the "oreo", but because they are so "different" from others in their community, it is hard for them to relate. I think that letting young poor minorities or just lower class people in general see people just like them do things the "right" way is the best way to expedite the progress we've already made.

why do they feel hopeless? because we're only a few generations away from fire hosing black people. get real....I'm not sure if there is a huge disparity between opportunity, if at all, but there are still a few lasting effects from that little thing called slavery. The hopelessness probably comes from living in a neighborhood your whole life and never seeing anyone graduate and attend college.

I grew up in a neighborhood that is mostly black. Nobody goes to college. I'm the outcast even among the other white kids/young adults because I went to school. I'm a white guy, I listen to mostly rap music, play basketball and embrace a large amount of supossedly "black" culture. I dress preppy and never use slang. I seem to be a sort of an anomaly. I have more in common with black culture, but I live in a white world. I'm criticized by my friends in my graduate program (none of them are black by the way) because I play basketball and listen to rap in my car. Many black guys seem hesitant to accept me because I look like just another nerdy white guy.

The phrase "act black" is racist. That attitude by black people is the biggest obstacle still facing young minorities. I'm just not sure if the best way to combat it is to call all black people lazy and blame their parents.

3/28/2007 4:33:56 AM