legitimate question: what if a blind woman wants an abortion?

3/22/2007 2:21:26 PM

I DONT HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE!

SO WHATS THE FUCKIN DEAL WITH ALL THE TESTS AND SHIIIITTTTT!!!!

3/22/2007 2:21:34 PM

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"so? they're forcing her to sign insurance forms too...they'll then force her into anesthesia (sp?)...etc"

Haha are you kidding?

The insurance forms are necessary for payment to be processed, and i'm sure the woman welcomes the anesthetic. And you have to take a test to get your license so they know you are competent to drive. There is no necessity in having the woman FORCED to look at the ultrasound.

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""i think we should make a bill forcing treetwista to be more aware about how dumb his arguments usually are.""

srsly. I'll admit, sometimes (not in this thread) I find his argument compelling, and other times (this thread) they are completely mind bogglingly idiotic.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2007 2:22:15 PM

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"it sounds pretty retarded to me."

3/22/2007 2:22:40 PM

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"jwb9984 All American 7489 Posts user info edit post block user Quote : "^^nobody is forcing me to get a drivers license so why am i forced to take a test to get my license " \ holy shit that is dumb WOW, even for you that is fucking terribly retarded 3/22/2007 2:18:35 PM SkankinMonky Veteran 445 Posts user info edit post block user with your logic you should have to pass a test or something to have children, otherwise they're aborted or given up for adoption. try to be consistent in your arguments plz."

Look kids, this is classic trolltwista. All his arguments hover around the troll threshold as is either on purpose or because he has just smoked himself stupid. His posts initially come off at a minimum half baked. Then, when he is either getting dominated in the discussion (usually happens) or gets bored, they start tending toward the more absurd side of the line as his way to "get back at users" for killing him in these threads.

The idea is to not take the bait.

3/22/2007 2:23:34 PM

so basically some of you have more of a problem with a woman looking at something than you do with the actual killing of a fetus

k

^hey baldy did you forget you had me on block when you quoted that?

we miss you in the global warming threads...you're just so easy to pwn in there..you should revisit those threads

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:25 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 2:24:39 PM

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"srsly. I'll admit, sometimes (not in this thread) I find his argument compelling, and other times (this thread) they are completely mind bogglingly idiotic."

Ah, someone else noticed it. You gotta pay attention. That's the sign of a good troll. Enough of their content seems legit such that you will be inclined to take all their content seriously.

But at some point, you just gotta sound the ridiculously absurd alarm and move on.

3/22/2007 2:25:45 PM

^^And apparently, you hate freedom.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2007 2:25:50 PM

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"You gotta pay attention"

so do you have me on block or not? you must have roided yourself retarded

3/22/2007 2:26:13 PM

^^the freedom to kill a baby without the father even having a say

THATS FREEDOM

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:26 PM. Reason : ^^]

3/22/2007 2:26:38 PM

this thread went downhill fast.

3/22/2007 2:26:39 PM

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"so basically some of you have more of a problem with a woman looking at something than you do with the actual killing of a fetus k "

develop some reading comprehension

everyone has a problem with the government FORCING the woman to look at ultrasound pics.

if some chick WANTS to look at it, by all means, go for it.



[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:27 PM. Reason : /.]

3/22/2007 2:26:52 PM

what about blind people?

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"^^the freedom to kill a baby without the father even having a say THATS FREEDOM"

this is a more interesting argument. BUT. think about the consequences. there isn't a good away to implement a father's consent of an abortion without terrible consequences.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:28 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 2:27:10 PM

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"what about blind people?"

She's free to look or not look too

3/22/2007 2:28:06 PM

the blind will be beaten by the ultrasound.

3/22/2007 2:28:46 PM

maybe they can invent a braille ultrasound picture

3/22/2007 2:30:18 PM

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"there isn't a good away to implement a father's consent of an abortion without terrible consequences."

yet the father is FORCED to pay for the kid if the woman CHOOSES to have the kid but father as zero say if the woman chooses to have the abortion

3/22/2007 2:31:02 PM

hey guess what

DIFFERENT THREAD

3/22/2007 2:31:36 PM

^^i understand the dilemma. and it is a dilemma. unfortunately i haven't heard of a good solution.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:32 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 2:32:00 PM

^^before you tell me what i can and cant do in my thread that i just created, you might want to look inward and ask yourself why you have more of a problem with a woman being forced to see something that is there than you do with the woman essentially taking a life

3/22/2007 2:37:02 PM

you should be forced to look at pictures of dead iraqi children before voting republican.

3/22/2007 2:37:50 PM

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"before you tell me what i can and cant do in my thread that i just created, you might want to look inward and ask yourself why you have more of a problem with a woman being forced to see something that is there than you do with the woman essentially taking a life"

haha, quote of the day!

3/22/2007 2:38:20 PM

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"this is a more interesting argument. BUT. think about the consequences. there isn't a good away to implement a father's consent of an abortion without terrible consequences."

I haven't thought about this issue too much, but the biggest consequence seems to be that a woman will have to carry a baby to term, and all the medical issues associated with that, that she doesn't want. However, I think it's reasonable that if a dad is willing to pay ALL the medical and related bills (even time off from the job), and assumes ALL responsibility for the child afterwards, that's a reasonable trade off for carrying the baby. The other negative aspect is that the dad would be forced to use formulas to feed the baby, which are not as good as natural milk, so off the bat, the baby will be disadvantaged.

One problem is that the righties will have a problem in legally allowing a child come in to a world with only 1 parent, and on those grounds, would oppose this.

3/22/2007 2:39:18 PM

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"you should be forced to look at pictures of dead iraqi children before voting republican"

and what does that have to do with me?

3/22/2007 2:39:26 PM

yeah guys, he doesnt vote.

3/22/2007 2:40:16 PM

^^You supported the war in Iraq, baby-killer.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2007 2:40:23 PM

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" and what does that have to do with me?"

what does forcing SC women to look at ultrasounds before an abortion have to do with you?

3/22/2007 2:42:50 PM

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""before you tell me what i can and cant do in my thread that i just created, you might want to look inward and ask yourself why you have more of a problem with a woman being forced to see something that is there than you do with the woman essentially taking a life""

No doubt a trollista post.

I'M LOOKING INWARD

AND ALL I SEE IS SMITHFIELDS AND FECES

3/22/2007 2:46:04 PM

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"let's waste money so that we can emotionally traumatize someone even more who has likely gone through a lot of grief already."

Why would anyone have trauma or grief if it's supposedly not a human life? If there isn't something important in that image, why would you care if the woman sees it or not? Any person who thinks its not a human life should be able to look at it and shrug right, what do they care.

3/22/2007 3:09:09 PM

I LOVE MEN!

3/22/2007 3:53:15 PM

^ I love the assumption that this is a 100% male / female issue.

3/22/2007 3:54:07 PM

^^^because they're having to make a decision as to whether they want to have a child or not?

3/22/2007 3:55:19 PM

^^I'm not making that assumption.

3/22/2007 3:57:00 PM

^ Appy-polly-loggies, you can see how the previous comment could be construed in such a way.

3/22/2007 3:58:47 PM

hey bald faggot

yeah you know who you are State409c

at least when you used to troll me before you would actually troll me with something related to the issue...now all you can do is make up troll nicknames and make insinuations about weed...fucking weak

The fundamental disagreement I have with many of the people in this thread is you apparently don't really have an issue with a woman being able to choose whether or not she wants to get an abortion...so you're willing to let her choose whether or not she wants to take her baby's life, in a sense...and that doesn't bother you to let a woman choose to take her baby's life...and if it doesn't bother you then thats perfectly fine...however it makes zero sense that you have no problem with a woman being allowed to kill her baby, yet for some reason the notion that she be required to look at the baby is your biggest issue? It just doesn't make sense to me...I would imagine pro-choice people wouldn't be offended by simply having to look at a medical image...I mean thats kind of like if Muslims blew up something and killed somebody, but then got offended that people criticized what they did

Correct me if I'm wrong about this, it just seems like you have zero problem with taking a life...but oh no don't put her through the torment of helping her realize what she is doing

3/22/2007 4:01:22 PM

^ It's okay to take life in certain situations though, and abortion is one of those situations.

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 4:07 PM. Reason : ]

3/22/2007 4:07:00 PM

it just seems like some screwed up priorities

i mean i already said i'm not for banning abortions or anything like that...i probably lean pro-life but at the same time i dont feel really strongly about it and i'm sure if my 15 year old daughter got pregnant i would think even more differently

it just seems like a total bullshit argument when you're fine with killing a baby, but deeply offended and upset by having to see the baby beforehand

3/22/2007 4:10:47 PM

i'm not deeply offended by seeing the baby beforehand. i think the law is wrong though. why would they implement it other than to traumatize/guilt the woman into not having an abortion. this assumes that the mother can't make this decision for herself after being informed of the medical issues at hand. what point does the picture serve but to traumatize?

3/22/2007 4:13:46 PM

its a reality check of what she is about to actually do

ignoring it is essentially downplaying what you are doing

if the ultrasound changes her mind it sounds like she had too many reservations in the first place

not showing the ultrasound is pretty much trivializing life and using abortion as a form of birth control, in some cases

maybe i'd be in favor of this only being required in non-rape cases

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 4:15:52 PM

so now the woman is just some dumb shit who doesn't understand what an abortion is?

3/22/2007 4:16:27 PM

if she gets shocked and horrified at the ultrasound, then yeah maybe that particular woman doesnt know what the fuck she is doing

3/22/2007 4:19:03 PM

maybe it was already a tough decision for her. and putting an ultrasound in her face just makes it harder, even if she already goes ahead with it.

3/22/2007 4:20:17 PM

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"maybe it was already a tough decision for her"

wait a minute..its supposed to be an easy decision?

i'd fucking hope it is already a tough decision for her (unless she was raped or something)

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 4:21:44 PM

so you're saying we should traumatize and/or guilt her for having an abortion? i get it.

3/22/2007 4:24:40 PM

i'm saying its a serious enough issue/procedure where if you go into it with zero guilt or trauma, you have some issues already

please if you would though, explain to me how its ok to kill but not to traumatize?

Is traumatizing someone worse than killing someone? Cause that doesnt make any sense to me

3/22/2007 4:26:30 PM

a fetus /= someone to me.

3/22/2007 4:28:41 PM

so when the woman looks at the ultrasound...she is not looking at someone...just a fetus...so whats the problem?

and please take note that i could care less if you consider a fetus "someone" or not...that really means nothing in my argument

I just see huge inconsistencies

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2007 4:29:42 PM

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"TreeTwista10: its a reality check of what she is about to actually do"

You've said this twice now.

She already knows what she is actually about to do.

3/22/2007 4:30:28 PM

^^she's having to make a decision as to whether she's going to be a mother or not. there are certainly conflicting motivations here. i'm sure it would be a tough decision whether you think the fetus is a person or not. i wouldn't be surprised if her hormones were telling her one thing and her brain another.

but mostly, why show her the picture if not to traumatize or guilt her?

[Edited on March 22, 2007 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ^^]

3/22/2007 4:31:31 PM

how is looking at a picture so much worse than the actual abortion itself?

i mean wtf if the problem?

show smokers pictures of black lungs...show war supporters pictures of casualties...show ultrasounds to people getting abortions

i've already seen black lung pictures and casualties and i'm not whining about it

3/22/2007 4:35:06 PM