amato and sendek should've been fired long before they actually left from the underage drinking their players did on weekend nights at parties!

4/12/2007 11:05:13 AM

call me when a player gets arrested for assault and the players are shouting out racial slurs on dan allen.

4/12/2007 11:06:21 AM

players have been arrested for assault

and OH NOES! A RACIAL SLUR! FIRE THE COACH FOR NOT HAVING CONTROL OF HIS KIDS 24/7!

if you dont think the stigmata duke felt from the rape charges is THE only reason they actually fired him you are an idiot

4/12/2007 11:06:58 AM

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"players getting arrested for assault in a separate incident"

Were they convicted in court, or did you convict them?

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"racial slurs being yelled at passersby"

Proof, did you see this, surely you don't believe a word out of the mouth of the dancer, more reiliable source needed

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"not to mention other rowdy parties that had gotten them in trouble with the university"

rowdy parties??? come on, you can do better than that

4/12/2007 11:08:15 AM

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"if you dont think the stigmata duke felt from the rape charges is THE only reason they actually fired him you are an idiot"

the university as a whole began bleeding from the hands, feet and side out of an immense devotion to jesus christ?!?!?!?!

JESUS CHRIST!!!

4/12/2007 11:11:33 AM

^ bwahaha... gg!

btw, great movie too.

4/12/2007 11:12:22 AM

4/12/2007 11:13:52 AM

stigmata was a good movie

4/12/2007 11:14:05 AM

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"call me when a player gets arrested for assault and the players are shouting out racial slurs on dan allen"

Apartment/housing area does not equate with Dan Allen, hilarious that you would make that analogy. And you aren't very aware of our basketball program under Sendek from 97-02. And if you throw everyone out by the wayside that gets arrested, you'd discard some good people. I'd wait on a conviction first, unless they've been arrested for similar offenses 4-5 times. And no, getting noise ordinances for noisy parties (even 100 times) does not make anyone a bad person.

^^ Is that Christian Laettner?

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2007 11:16:39 AM

i guess i meant stigma

also, sarijoul what exactly about the accuser would make you believe her over the lacrosse guys? was it in 2002 when "she stole a taxi from a man to whom she was giving a lap dance. A high speed chase then ensued, and when the deputy chasing her approached the stolen taxi on foot, she tried to run over him. She pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of larceny, speeding to elude arrest, assault on a government official and driving while impaired. She was sentenced to 3 weekends in detention"?

perhaps was it the "DNA report released in December 2006 revealed that sperm from several males was found in the accuser's body and on her underwear; none of which was from any of the Duke players"?

or maybe something else here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Gail_Mangum ?

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 11:50 AM. Reason : .]

4/12/2007 11:29:39 AM

damn she is a career criminal. if nothing else, read the bolded parts, esp the second and last ones:

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"Criminal history and credibility In 2002, she stole a taxi from a man to whom she was giving a lap dance. A high speed chase then ensued, and when the deputy chasing her approached the stolen taxi on foot, she tried to run over him. She pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of larceny, speeding to elude arrest, assault on a government official and driving while impaired. She was sentenced to 3 weekends in detention.[20][21] Lawyers for the Duke lacrosse players have said that Mangum was intoxicated and possibly under the influence of drugs.[22] Defense attorney Bill Thomas urged her to retract her statement, saying that the rape allegations were concocted to avoid a charge of public drunkenness. The Duke defense lawyers or media reports have said that: DNA results revealed that the woman had sex with a man who was not a Duke lacrosse player. Attorney Joseph Cheshire said the tests indicated DNA from a "single male source" came from a vaginal swab taken from the accuser. Media outlets reported that this DNA was from her boyfriend.[23] A DNA report released in December 2006 revealed that sperm from several males was found in the accuser's body and on her underwear; none of which was from any of the Duke players. Mangum has denied engaging in any sexual activity in the days before the assault, saying that she last had sex a week earlier. She also said that her attackers did not use condoms and ejaculated.[24][25] She had made a similar claim in the past which she did not pursue. "On Aug. 18, 1996, the dancer - then 18 years old - told a police officer in Creedmoor she had been raped by three men in June 1993, according to a police document. She did not pursue the allegations. The officer who took the woman's report 10 years ago asked her to write a detailed timeline of the night's events and bring the account back to the police. "Apparently she never returned," Granville County DA Sam Currin said."[26] The accuser told authorities that in 1998, her husband threatened to kill her. However, she did not appear at the court hearing and thus the charges were dropped.[27] The accuser frequently passed out while performing as an exotic dancer at the Platinum Club in Hillsborough, according to the former club manager. The former manager also stated that Mangum had to be dragged out of the establishment onto gravel either one or two nights prior to the March 13 party: "She was heavy. It took four or five of us to carry her outside. She was dead weight. That's how passed out she was. She never woke up. We could have put the scratches on her. That could be how she got them."[28] The former manager went on to describe the accuser as "a club employee whose problems with other dancers and customers sometimes made it hard for her to make money," citing an event in which she started to pull a female customer's hair.[29] According to the Platinum Club owner, the accuser danced at the club on March 23, 24, and 25. Those were the same dates she told doctors she was "in excruciating pain from the ... beating." The owner said the accuser did not say anything about being raped 10 days earlier.[30] Similarly, 60 Minutes released a video of her allegedly dancing at the club less than two weeks after the alleged incident, again leading to the media doubting how traumatized and in pain she actually was.[31] The strip club's security officer said that the accuser told co-workers four days after the alleged incident that she "was going to get money from some boys at a Duke party who had not paid her," adding that she essentially said, "I'm going to get paid by the white boys." The security guard did not make a big deal of it "because no one takes her seriously."[32] "

4/12/2007 11:58:09 AM

its too bad details like that didnt get out to the public much much earlier so we knew what type of manipulative bitch was making these accusations

4/12/2007 11:59:53 AM

^ The media didn't want to set a precedence on attacking women who may have been raped, despite their past.

Plus, did stuff did get out, at least on the internet sites of the TV news channels (I don't watch TV news, but it may have been there too).

4/12/2007 12:05:17 PM

Rape Shield Laws FTL

4/12/2007 12:06:15 PM

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"The media didn't want to set a precedence on attacking women who may have been raped, despite their past"

which would be fine

except they apparently DID want to set a precedence on attacking the Duke players because they had money and they were not the same race as the accuser

4/12/2007 12:08:16 PM

You can't have your cake an eat it too.

You can complain about it though, that's your right.

4/12/2007 12:16:01 PM

that makes zero sense

4/12/2007 12:19:04 PM

The media is going to always be attacking someone. It's better for them to attack the rich kids, rather than rape victims. If they didn't attack either side, then they might as well not even report the story, because it's just another rape accusation in that case.

This is a reality of our sensationalist, ratings-driven news media. There's only so much you can complain about it.

4/12/2007 12:23:37 PM

not surprised

4/12/2007 12:26:51 PM

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"It's better for them to attack the rich kids, rather than rape victims"

who exactly involved in this case was a rape victim?

and what happened to "innocent until proven guilty"

oh thats right...the media is a bunch of fucking clown ass pieces of shit...its not like i've said that for years and years and years

FACT CHECKING? HAHA WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?

4/12/2007 12:29:09 PM

^ No, in general, you don't want to attack women who accuse someone of rape on the basis of their shady past, because it could deter other women who were actually raped, but had a shady past, from coming forth about the rape.

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal concept, not a capitalist or entertainment concept.

This is largely cultural though. You can always move with OEPIII in SA where women go to jail for crying rape.

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 12:32 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 12:31:13 PM

are you defending how the media handled this case?

4/12/2007 12:35:21 PM

No.

But, when you say things like this:

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"except they apparently DID want to set a precedence on attacking the Duke players because they had money and they were not the same race as the accuser "

What did you expect them to do? This story has no appeal if it was treated as most crimes are (innocent until proven guilty). So if they are going to spin it up, it's obvious the direction they're going to take, and it won't be attacking a supposed rape victim.

4/12/2007 12:38:43 PM

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"^ No, in general, you don't want to attack women who accuse someone of rape on the basis of their shady past, because it could deter other women who were actually raped, but had a shady past, from coming forth about the rape."

but you want to attack those accused of rape without knowing whether they are guilty or innocent... because it is fun destroying someone's life?

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"You can always move with OEPIII in SA where women go to jail for crying rape. "

hahah wtf? rapists are executed here, moron moron. but that's too much to handle for you, right?

sure, there are abuses of justice, and some women might not get their justice, but that happens in every country.

(abuse of women and their oppression is another topic, but if you are talking about rape, gg SA, and other countries that execute rapists)

4/12/2007 12:39:32 PM

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"but you want to attack those accused of rape without knowing whether they are guilty or innocent... because it is fun destroying someone's life? "

I don't want to, and it shouldn't be done, but if you have 2 choices to make, the choice is clear.

Saudi Arabia sucks btw.

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 12:43 PM. Reason : http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE230572000]

4/12/2007 12:42:10 PM

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"What did you expect them to do?"

about what they did

but What did I want them to do?

be a little more fair? i mean maybe you guys think its cool to drag a few guys' lives through the mud since they're rich and white and can afford it??

4/12/2007 12:42:34 PM

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"but if you have 2 choices to make"

that's where you fail.

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"Saudi Arabia sucks btw."

yeah i know... and i am not saudi, and even if i was, i am not the king, so it is not in my hands to fix things here.

you fail again.

4/12/2007 12:44:04 PM

I'm not trying to say it was right at all what happened...

but the plight of rich white guys is going to be low on any freedom fighter's list.





[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 12:45 PM. Reason : ^ you haven't been reading this thread]

4/12/2007 12:44:47 PM

probably because theyre pieces of shit who look at them as "rich white guys" instead of "one side of this case"

the ball was dropped by so many people in this whole fiasco its ridiculous

but the media are just a bunch of pieces of shit in the first place

who cares about fact checking? i want those ratings!

4/12/2007 12:46:19 PM

but i do know that this thread is not about SA, which you obviously don't know.

edit: btw, you ain't the only one with an internet connection

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510471999?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510011999?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510191999?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR511612000?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510531999?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510912000?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510282001?open&of=ENG-USA
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510012004?open&of=ENG-USA


omf my country is better than yours!!!

grow up dude, and opne your eyes to reality. my eyes ARE open, as i know what really bad shit (from the gov/authorities/police) goes down in the country i live, but you are obviously blind, deaf, and dumb.


[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 1:06 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 12:47:44 PM

^ haha, did you even read those links?

I thought this thread wasn't about SA though...

4/12/2007 1:14:02 PM

i read this humane democratic bit:

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""That was not part of my sentence, to...perform oral sex with the officers." New York prisoner Tanya Ross, November 1998.(1)"

4/12/2007 1:15:59 PM

i'm not exactly the best soap box poster, but this thread is kind of getting off topic

4/12/2007 1:16:38 PM

Unless anyone has anything to add beyond "the media sucks" I don't see how this thread could cover any more ground.

We might as well turn it in to a "how SA sucks" thread.

4/12/2007 1:18:15 PM

you already did... almost an hour ago

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 1:22 PM. Reason : the thought of forcing a female prisoner to suck cock makes you hot, doesn't it? ]

4/12/2007 1:21:13 PM

^^how bout you start off by wavering from your position of "the media had two choices"

4/12/2007 1:23:30 PM

^ when i pointed that exact thing out to him, this is what he said:

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"^ you haven't been reading this thread"

4/12/2007 1:25:06 PM

^^ I never said the media had 2 choices.

The media has 3 main choices:

- Report the story like it was any other crime
- Report the story with the spin of the supposed rape victim/stripper's sordid past
- Report the story from the evil rich white boys perspective

The media is obviously not going to do the first, so from the remaining 2, it's clear which they are going to pick.

In the ideal world, they would pick the first, but you could watch BBC or NPR for that.

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 1:30 PM. Reason : ^ in that case, you both need to practice some reading comprehension]

4/12/2007 1:30:25 PM

wait, i thought the ideal world didn't exist?

but BBC does exist, right? and what's so bad about BBC? a hell of a lot more informative than tabloid-headline-media.

4/12/2007 1:34:25 PM

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"The media is obviously not going to do the first"

you dismiss this possibility like its impossible

please elaborate...granted i've already said i dont really like the media, because they care more about ratings than reporting the unbiased truth...or holding back reports since they dont have the truth

but why is this not even an option? and if its not an option, is it because ratings ARE more important to them? and if so, why do you trust ANYTHING the media says? cause i dont



and some of yall inherently trust them more than the govt? i guess you really dont mind picking between a giant douche and a turd sandwich

4/12/2007 1:36:16 PM

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"you dismiss this possibility like its impossible please elaborate...granted i've already said i dont really like the media, because they care more about ratings than reporting the unbiased truth...or holding back reports since they dont have the truth but why is this not even an option? and if its not an option, is it because ratings ARE more important to them? and if so, why do you trust ANYTHING the media says? cause i dont "

You said this earlier...

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""What did you expect them to do?" about what they did but What did I want them to do? be a little more fair? i mean maybe you guys think its cool to drag a few guys' lives through the mud since they're rich and white and can afford it??"

Why did you expect them to do what they did?

The govt. is at least as bad as the media though, usually worse (because there's no strongly competitive environment).

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 2:31:21 PM

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"Hahaha... Yeah, this was a pretty shitty turn of events. I hope the duke players' lives aren't completely ruined by this crap. "Weren't you investigated for rape once?" Yeah but the stripper was lying, that was proved in court, and the charges were dropped. "But you were investigated for it right?" Mmm... There's a conversation one would like to avoid."

At the management workshop at went to, and for the interviews I've conducted, I've always been under the impression that you can only ask "what have you been convicted of" not what have you been accused of. Otherwise its kind of murky legal area to ask anything more. Although people may still recognize their names when they see attended duke on their resumes.

4/12/2007 2:46:02 PM

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"The govt. is at least as bad as the media though, usually worse (because there's no strongly competitive environment)."

i'd argue that the competitive environment makes the media even worse in many cases...its competition and ratings that force them to do whatever they need to to break a big story...even if the story itself is 100% false

4/12/2007 3:34:45 PM

^ yeah, but if the story is false, another news agency would pick up on it, discrediting them soon.

The gov. has free reign to do whatever it wants... just look at the pre-iraq invasion campaign. Rife with lies, but the no one could dig deeper because they had to "protect national secrets."

4/12/2007 4:26:18 PM

so you agree that the govt and media are both pieces of shit

4/12/2007 4:43:39 PM

I agree that they both could do things a lot better.

We're not as bad as Saudi Arabia or China though who suppress and censor news and media, but we could be drastically better.

Can't live with them, can't live without them.

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 4:45 PM. Reason : f]

4/12/2007 4:45:49 PM

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"Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong acknowledged today that three former Duke University lacrosse players were “wrongfully accused” of sexual assault."

i dare say he's fucked

http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/563312.html

4/13/2007 1:39:52 AM

The only rape victims in this case were the lacross players. They took it in the ass to the tune of a million bucks a piece and their reputations. I also saw on News 14 that Nifong and the Durham PD tried to strong-arm a cab driver out of testifying that he drove one of the players to an atm during the time period that the rape was supposedly occurring. They even had the cab driver arrested on a two year-old beef (he was aquited) but he still would not change his story so they suppressed it and then lied about it. Nifong ought to be thrown in general population with every inmate he ever convicted. Maybe then he'll learn what it feels like to take it in the ass.

4/13/2007 1:56:14 AM