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"All you do is attack liberals/liberal ideas"

no i just attack stupid ideas

it just so happens that TSB has more liberals who hence make more threads with hence more stupid ideas

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"people are exhausted and exasperated and don't feel like correcting your childish assumptions so they argue within your assumptions"

funny...thats what i was doing with joe_schmoe and his admittedly stereotypical assumptions

if i was so much of the biblethumping gun toting redneck you and your pals like to stereotype me as, wouldnt i at least vote republican? i think some dems and reps simply cant comprehend that someone doesnt particularly care for either side

oh well, i guess theres one thing in this *opinion poll* that i do believe based on ^ this post:

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"Men scored higher than women"

I mean thats just a cheap shot, but its along the lines of your argument against me

4/17/2007 12:22:51 AM

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"if i was so much of the biblethumping gun toting redneck you and your pals like to stereotype me as, wouldnt i at least vote republican? i think some dems and reps simply cant comprehend that someone doesnt particularly care for either side"

See, this is trolling. You know I don't think you're a "biblethumping gun toting redneck." And you know these people aren't my pals. So why are you saying that shit to me? I guess I'll respond...I talk to my friends and my family about the issues that we care about, and we never sit around and talk shit about "rednecks" or call people ignorant. On the contrary, we really concern ourselves with trying to understand the other side on each issue, which we know is not exclusively comprised of "biblethumping gun toting rednecks."

And I understand that you may not particularly care for either side. But you should also understand that when you're doing this whole "attack stupid ideas" thing, a lot of the shit that you type sounds conservative, like you went to Republican camp as a kid and learned some arguments word-for-word from a great book of talking points. So you think you're independent, but I think you lean right, kid. I mean, you don't even support legalization of marijuana--is there something I'm missing here? If you want to claim that you've opted out through rational voter abstension, that's cool...most people have opted out...but at least consider the fact that you might be a conservative--even if you don't vote.

And that "cheap shot" is absurd. You know I'm not stupid or uninformed. And you know that when I say stupid, uninformed shit...it's because I say stupid, uninformed shit...not because I'm a woman.

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 12:53 AM. Reason : ...]

4/17/2007 12:53:18 AM

TreeTwista10, I freely admit that my characterization was a stereotype. Stereotypes are over-simplifications, yes, but this particular stereotype happens to be a fairly accurate one. It certainly fits with the poll data described in the original article.

Now I'm not saying *all* Fox News viewers fit the stereotype. Of course there are some variations.

For instance, we see here that some of you here on TWW are fairly intelligent, reasonably informed, college-educated conservatives who for some reason choose to get your news from FNC. But it's apparant from my experience, anecdotal evidence, and scientific poll data, that you are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Look, I'm really sorry that it embarrasses you and makes you mad that your fellow Fox News viewers are so amazingly ignorant of current affairs, to the point that they cant name the sitting Republican Vice-President

And it's admirable how dilligently you try to rationalize this away, and show that these people are being misrepresented somehow. It really is touching.

But perhaps you ought to check your premises.

4/17/2007 2:26:22 AM

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 2:32 AM. Reason : wrong thread]

4/17/2007 2:32:22 AM

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"a lot of the shit that you type sounds conservative, like you went to Republican camp as a kid and learned some arguments word-for-word from a great book of talking points"

How so? I'll admit I lean right but I'm certainly not enthusiastic enough about either side to vote...aka I'm disenfranchised by both parties...I prefer not choosing between the turd sandwich and the giant douche....I'll let my voice be heard by NOT voting

I just don't see how someone who leans right is automatically somehow embarassed by Fox News viewers thinking whatever the hell they want to think

and joe_schmoe, I can only assume that relating Fox News viewers with your own *personasl* negative opinion of people who lean right will somehow validate your strong political opinions? If only I knew what people with strong political opinions felt like...

4/17/2007 3:02:50 AM

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"I'll let my voice be heard by NOT voting"

I for one am impressed by someone who, although lacking the courage of his convictions, can still summon the enthusiasm to type out ill-formed and logically flawed arguments about nothing in particular.

Please tell me how I can subscribe to your newsletter.



[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 3:33 AM. Reason : ]

4/17/2007 3:32:56 AM

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"actually in this poll the margin of error is 3.5%, so it does show a slight dip."

You forgot there's a margin of error in the other poll too.

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"I'll let my voice be heard by NOT voting"

That'll get things changed around here.

4/17/2007 8:49:18 AM

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"I'll let my voice be heard by NOT voting"

It's patently obvious that comments like these make this guy a troll. Look at the facts. He plays secretively about his education, his job, his life so that we can't use any of that to weigh in on the discussion. None of his political arguments are more than half baked. His claim to fame is knowledge of NBA, smoking weed, and trolling this section.

He is just barely knowledgeable enough about what is going on to stir up trouble in here, and he has done it for so long that any quality discourse this place used to have is dead.

McDanger gone. Grumpy barely posts. Smoker4 only occasionally. theDuke stays away most of the time. All the decent posters got nudged out by this fag.

I mean, it's one thing to think the liberals on this board have dumb ideas, but at least these guys try to have debate. All I ever here from the conservative voices here are attacks on Dems and a regurgitation of last nights Beck, H&C, and all the other FNC hacks.

4/17/2007 9:01:32 AM

seriously, why don't they do these tests on the idiots that watch american idol and all that stupid shit every night

4/17/2007 9:14:54 AM

Essentially the same type of poll from a few years ago, same results

http://mediamatters.org/items/200605250003

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""Daily Show viewers have higher campaign knowledge than national news viewers and newspaper readers -- even when education, party identification, following politics, watching cable news, receiving campaign information online, age, and gender are taken into consideration.""

^ I'm not sure you can spin that one way or the other, so it probably won't make good TSB fodder.

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 9:25 AM. Reason : a]

4/17/2007 9:24:39 AM

lol, media matters

4/17/2007 9:25:51 AM

lol, right wing hack didn't look at link

4/17/2007 10:05:39 AM

State409c = biggest troll on TWW

4/17/2007 10:31:23 AM

I mean, media matters is no less biased than fox news

4/17/2007 10:32:59 AM

Is an Annenberg survey of 100,000 people any more or less biased than either mediamatters or fox news?

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 10:40 AM. Reason : ^^ you wanna try adding anything to the thread other than that bullshit?]

Wait, it was only 19000 or so

http://www.ou.edu/policom/1501_2005_winter/roundtable_kenski.htm

I'm not aware of if OU is extremely conservative or liberal, I guess if I knew, you could more easily confirm or deny the message they have without actually having to read it.

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"Analysis conducted by NAES team member Dannagal Goldthwaite Young demonstrates the power of the survey to detect differences between small subgroups. In her September 21 press release on viewers of late-night comedy programs, Young analyzed data collected between July 15 and September 19 from 19,013 individuals to compare people who watched David Letterman, Jay Leno, and Jon Stewart. The large sample size allowed Young to find that “People who watch The Daily Show are more interested in the presidential campaign, more educated, younger, and more liberal than the average American or than Leno or Letterman viewers,” a finding later reported by Jon Stewart on his show. Because the Leno, Letterman, and Stewart audiences make up a relatively small percentage of the overall population, large samples are needed to capture these subgroups."

I can only surmise from the previous text, that they are liberal idiots and the message should be summarily discarded.

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 10:46 AM. Reason : a]

4/17/2007 10:39:27 AM

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"you wanna try adding anything to the thread other than that bullshit?"

oh man State409c calling out somebody for not making a legitimate contribution is like Cho Seung-Hui calling out someone for killing a person

Leno? Letterman? So they're not talking about ANY real news shows?

4/17/2007 10:46:06 AM

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"oh man State409c calling out somebody for not making a legitimate contribution"

Yea, you fucking douche faggot troll. I didn't add shit when I posted another link with the same TDS/informed voter conclusion that this more recent study found. I guess when you mean add contributions, it goes something like

you're a troll


You waste of bandwidth clown. Get the hell out of here with your bullshit trolling. You aren't intellectually capable of being in this section, and it's a damn shame that other posters aren't more motivated to say so.

4/17/2007 10:48:36 AM

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"you fucking douche faggot troll"

ooohhhh...this was a good one

4/17/2007 10:54:17 AM

Great, right on key, the resident middle schooler chimes in!

4/17/2007 10:55:00 AM

yay!!!

4/17/2007 10:55:18 AM

Did you even read anything posted in here TreeTwista?

There are two polls referenced in this thread done by two reputable nonpartisan agencies that show TDS/TCR viewers are more educated and informed than those who get their news from fox/cnn/msn/****. There is a third poll that shows that TDS viewers are more educated than viewers of other comedy shows. Why are you even trying to disagree with this?

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 10:57 AM. Reason : read wrong]

4/17/2007 10:55:57 AM

^Did YOU read the original source of the poll? cause TDS and TCR are hardly the most important aspects of it

^^You called this a study?

They called up 1500 people on the phone and asked them some questions...whoopty fucking doo

However if you take so much faith in it, I'm sure this will just kill you

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"There are substantial differences in the knowledge levels of the audiences for different news outlets. However, there is no clear connection between news formats and what audiences know. Well-informed audiences come from cable (Daily Show/Colbert Report, O'Reilly Factor), the internet (especially major newspaper websites), broadcast TV (NewsHour with Jim Lehrer) and radio (NPR, Rush Limbaugh's program). The less informed audiences also frequent a mix of formats: broadcast television (network morning news shows, local news), cable (Fox News Channel), and the internet (online blogs where people discuss news events). "

OMG PEOPLE WHO WATCH O'REILLY FACTOR AND LISTEN TO RUSH ARE "WELL INFORMED"

let alone, the most important thing to draw from this study is not what the thread title says...its that

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"On average, today's citizens are about as able to name their leaders, and are about as aware of major news events, as was the public nearly 20 years ago. "

course bald steroidhead idiot trolls like yourself only read summaries and headlines, you dont find the need to pay attention to details

4/17/2007 10:56:17 AM

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"course bald steroidhead idiot trolls like yourself only read summaries and headlines, you dont find the need to pay attention to details"

Why pay attention to the details when you do it and inadvertently prove our points for us. Thats the comedy of all this. You try so hard to find some glimmer of something that can question the summary that we bring forth, and then fail at whatever point you were trying to make, often catastrophically, and look like a clown while doing it.

Keep posting, and proving everyone you reply to correct, time and time again.

4/17/2007 11:01:34 AM

Yes actually I did read it. That quote you posted did nothing for you. It just says the different formats as a whole have no substantial differences. Yes well-informed audiences come from every type of group. But on average people from TDS/CR answered questions better than people who watched Fox news. If you had actually read what you put in your post you would see they included TDS/CR in the well-informed audience list while Fox news was in the less informed list. What it is saying as a whole cable (with informed TDS/CR and uninformed Fox viewers) is not more well informed than people who get their information from the internet (smart people from major news websites, dumb people from blogs).

Thanks for proving my point for me.

4/17/2007 11:04:44 AM

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"let alone, the most important thing to draw from this study is not what the thread title says...its that"

Hey, here is a shocker for a troll like you


THAT ISN'T WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT YOU MORONIC IMBECILE

I know it's tough for a troll out there, but come on man, what do you take us for?

4/17/2007 11:06:17 AM

^^true

but does it say that the watchers of TDS/TCR are more informed because they watch those shows??

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 11:07 AM. Reason : asdf]

4/17/2007 11:07:17 AM

^^here, do yourself a favor and actually look at the Pew Group's own website instead of some half dozen paragraph summary...I know you depend on summaries to understand everything, but here is the actual poll details, questions, results, etc...if you don't roid rage and smash your computer, you might learn something

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=319

Course if you want to continue to treat a telephone poll of 1,500 people as fact, go right ahead and make yourself dumber

4/17/2007 11:14:22 AM

Thats the best trolling that you have in response to getting owned hard core yet again?

How long before you shift your comments into the "i'm innocent, and all these people are trolling me, and they should be suspended" language that you normally do right about now?


Try again.

4/17/2007 11:20:26 AM

^^ Or he could just watch Fox news to make himself dumber (statistically).

4/17/2007 11:21:45 AM

^^Well even though you didn't have time to read the poll, at least the fact that you just posted showed you didn't have another maniacal steroid rage fit and smash up your PC...good job, I guess you're finally beginning to get a grip on your anger management problem

Now if you could just find the time in your schedule to work on your stupidity problem

^or any cable news channel, according to the poll

4/17/2007 11:22:14 AM

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"^or any cable news channel, according to the poll"

Which poll are you talking about, because you can't deny facts.

4/17/2007 11:27:15 AM

The link I just posted...you know, the link to the actual poll that this thread is about...not the link to the summary of the poll that this thread is about

TELEPHONE OPINION POLL ANSWERS ARE FACTS!

oh btw, should we now refer to you as "the head troll queen of attention seekers"

damn m2c just calls it like she sees it

4/17/2007 11:30:32 AM

Actually, I rather like that title. Please add bald and steroid to it somehow to make me extra happy!

4/17/2007 11:50:34 AM

how about i add this



gosh the 54% of TDS and TCR viewers who are informed sure is a lot more than the 54% of major newspaper website visitors!

4/17/2007 11:52:18 AM

54 significantly greater than 35 which is where you get most of your news.

4/17/2007 11:54:31 AM

nu uh...thats where you get yours

this is so stupid


OMG TROLL!!!!

4/17/2007 11:55:00 AM

w00t! Go us NPR peepz!

4/17/2007 11:55:31 AM

^^^if i get most of my news from Fox News, you have a full head of hair

4/17/2007 11:56:06 AM

I actually do have a full head of hair.

4/17/2007 11:57:14 AM

^according to who, Fox News?

4/17/2007 11:59:01 AM

According to your girlfriend.

4/17/2007 12:01:12 PM

makes sense...since you're the "head troll queen" i guess gay guys do hang out with a lot of girls

4/17/2007 12:08:03 PM

The only hanging out that happens between her and I is my nuts hanging out in her face.

4/17/2007 12:09:33 PM

she told me your nuts looked like little raisins from all the steroids...so i dont think your nuts are hanging anywhere

4/17/2007 12:12:15 PM

She was suckling on em just the same.

4/17/2007 12:16:13 PM

You know I actually questioned why I stopped visiting this site, especially this forum...now it's blatantly obvious why.

4/17/2007 12:17:15 PM

^State409c

4/17/2007 12:17:55 PM

The 8 consecutive posts above mine actually.

I'd expect that tripe in chit chat, but TSB used to be a place where you can have at least somewhat civil debate instead of two man-children exchanging 3rd grade insults.

4/17/2007 12:21:29 PM

Sorry TrollTwista, I already called it

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"McDanger gone. Grumpy barely posts. Smoker4 only occasionally. theDuke stays away most of the time. All the decent posters got nudged out by this fag. "

^ Maybe if folks like you were a little more vocal in calling for the banning of trolltwista from this section, we wouldn't have these problems.

It's been common knowledge for the better part of a year that no one likes the guy and people want him banned. Hell, McDanger peaced out because of it.

[Edited on April 17, 2007 at 12:23 PM. Reason : a]

4/17/2007 12:21:34 PM

I read the intial story and was skeptical that TDS/TCR audience was necessarily more informed than people who followed the news for reasons other than comedy

Instead of just looking at the headlines from the intial summary article, I actually looked at the Pew Group's website and the specifics of the poll

I then posted this gif (http://people-press.org/reports/images/319-14.gif) which showed that not only did the audience of "Major newspaper websites" have the same percentage of people in the High Knowledge Group, but that the TDS/TCR audience was only more knowledgeable about identifying Scooter Libby. The audiences of "Major newspaper websites" on the other hand were more knowledgeable about naming Sunnis, being able to identify Vlad Putin, and being informed on the number of US deaths in Iraq

your only retort to that pwnage (pwnage pertinent to the thread topic btw) was to start claiming I watched Fox News...yet I'm the problem

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"Maybe if folks like you were a little more vocal in calling for the banning of trolltwista from this section, we wouldn't have these problems. It's been common knowledge for the better part of a year that no one likes the guy and people I want him banned. Hell, McDanger peaced out because of it. "

Oh I think your countless failed efforts at censorship of people you don't agree with or don't like is sufficient for everyone...and McDanger left? Hey, YOU LEFT! Because you couldn't handle it so you requested that mods suspend you! You have zero self control, and its also been common knowledge for years that NOBODY likes you in ANY message board section

While most of my posts in this thread up until the last few have actually dealt specifically with the topic at hand, go look back at State409c's posts...nothing intelligent, constructive, productive...just trolling...in fact the only post he makes thats actually relative to the topic was

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"And this whole time I had no idea I am not allowed to take serious news seriously AND laugh when it gets made fun of by a satire show."

I only troll trolls...and State409c is the biggest troll on TWW...he trolls anyone anytime...I've been commenting on this poll, its validity...I've questioned the methods of collecting data...and overall, despite being berrated by other people who just blindly read summary headlines, the .GIF I posted shows that I was right all along...while baldy has been trolling all along

Its really not that difficult to see if you have any common sense at all

4/17/2007 12:46:49 PM