http://washingtontimes.com/world/20070422-124715-1633r.htm

It's been all over the news that he bought his "clips" from Ebay. And from that article it appears they were just 10 round magazines.

4/22/2007 1:55:08 PM

i hope the gun people realize that clip has become a colloquialism for magazine. Quit being so pedantic and pretentious about this shit. You guys sound just like car people.

4/22/2007 2:22:39 PM

^That's all and well, but there is technically a difference between a "clip" and a "magazine." They both store ammunition, but magazines have moving parts (typically a spring) whereas clips do not.

4/22/2007 2:25:19 PM

no shit, but you do realize that news articles are written for the average reader and not someone who jacks it to guns and amo.

4/22/2007 2:26:32 PM

So people who make a big deal about the difference between magazines and clips "jack it to guns and amo?"

Alright, dude. Clearly you've got us gun-totin' rednecks all figured out.

4/22/2007 2:29:19 PM

I'm talking about the people who will fight someone over a magazine being called a clip and a clip being called a magazine.

4/22/2007 2:31:10 PM

Quote :

"i hope the gun people realize that clip has become a colloquialism for magazine. Quit being so pedantic and pretentious about this shit. You guys sound just like car people."

So because the average person doesn't know what they're talking about, that changes facts? Just because my idiot neighbors are retards doesn't mean that my buddy's Blazer is a Jeep. Just because nobody in the U.S. can spell doesn't mean that we change how a word is spelled. Seriously, when did what the average idiot thinks become how things are supposed to be done? If you sit there and tell your mechanic that your wheel is messed up while pointing at your flat tire are you going to tell him that "it's the same thing" when he corrects you?

Quote :

"I'm talking about the people who will fight someone over a magazine being called a clip and a clip being called a magazine."

Odd that you seem to be the one fighting after someone CORRECTED the mistake.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 4:26 PM. Reason : forgot ]

4/22/2007 4:24:50 PM

Quote :

"that quiz was asinine. How am I to see whether or not the stock had been welded? "

thats why the law was so damn retarded in the first place

4/22/2007 4:44:37 PM

im going with the smacker of nutz in saying that it is dumb to whine about magazine vs clip. i agree that the news needs to communicate effectively and many people might not know what a magazine is.

4/22/2007 5:02:07 PM

learning gun parts was part of gun safety for me

I don't call people out on it, but I never say "clip" unless I'm talking about a firearm that uses one.

magazines are what you see on almost every firearm you see.



I'm sure almost any gun owner on this site would be happy to instruct any of you on proper gun safety and usage. We love our firearms and want to keep them, by teaching our traditions and sports to new people we can more easily close the gap of people that "understand it" and those that don't.

no one is wanting everyone to be armed, we're wanting common sense rules, not idiot lawmakers pushing laws on law abiding firearm owning and carrying citizens when they have NO IDEA what they are talking about.

4/22/2007 6:39:31 PM

Anti Gun nuts want to disarm 82 year old grandmas who use guns to defend themselves

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18237342/

4/22/2007 7:33:45 PM

Could we all agree that "anti-gun nuts" are a perfect example of the fallacy of equal time?

I've yet to meet a single person who's 1) thought it out and 2) still wants to ban guns.

4/22/2007 7:43:18 PM

are you serious?

4/22/2007 8:06:46 PM

it's the "in thing" now to just say, "it's cool guys, no one wants to ban guns"

4/22/2007 8:08:51 PM

Name a politician who wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

I know you guys watch Rosie O'Donald every day and all, but besides her and a couple random editorialists, where are all these anti-gun nuts?

4/22/2007 8:29:21 PM

Quote :

"You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun, I think you should go to prison."

Rosie O'Donnell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_O'Donnell

4/22/2007 8:34:37 PM

On-point as usual, hooksaw

4/22/2007 8:36:12 PM

Rosie O'Donnell needs to shut her fat fucking trap about a lot of other things besides gun control.

4/22/2007 8:47:39 PM

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"I'm also more inclined to help others when I am carrying... I've stopped countless times and helped people on the road because I've felt safe in my doing so "

Doesn't that make you kind of paranoid or somewhat cowardly, if you only help people because you have a gun?

4/22/2007 9:27:46 PM

I think it's just kind of common sense that you're more inclined to put yourself in a risky situation to help someone else if you have better means of defending yourself.

4/22/2007 9:38:57 PM

But if you view helping others as an inherently risky situation, then that could mean that you're a tad on the paranoid side.

4/22/2007 10:01:28 PM

rosie already admitted she was just spouting off as a concerned woman/parent and that she's a very emotional person.

4/22/2007 10:03:10 PM

Quote :

"learning gun parts was part of gun safety for me I don't call people out on it, but I never say "clip" unless I'm talking about a firearm that uses one. magazines are what you see on almost every firearm you see. "

I'm willing to be that most people who hear the phrase gun magazine think of a periodical, or serial about guns, and not the mechanical magazine.

4/22/2007 10:15:16 PM

^^^ it's not the helping others part itself that's dangerous

i mean, if you don't think that, say, giving a complete stranger a ride is somewhat risky, you're just not grounded in reality.

4/22/2007 10:18:19 PM

he has bud light.

4/22/2007 10:19:20 PM

^^ That is risky, but I interpreted the statement to mean seeing someone on the side of the road with a flat tire. I would wager that the amount of attacks that happen from helping a distressed motorist is an infinitesimally small number, in the realm of your head exploding from sneezing.

Plus, it was mostly meant to be a facetious statement anyway... But, one of the reasons why I would be hesitant to ask for or accept help from a stranger is the possibility that they might have a gun.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 10:21 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2007 10:21:06 PM

Quote :

"I've yet to meet a single person who's 1) thought it out and 2) still wants to ban guns. "

Boone

Repeal the Second Amendment
The best way to reduce the odds of another blood bath like the one at Virginia Tech is to amend the Constitution and abolish the right to bear arms.

By Walter Shapiro

Quote :

"April 18, 2007 | WASHINGTON -- Fifteen unambiguous words are all that would be required to quell the American-as-apple-pie cycle of gun violence that has now tearfully enshrined Virginia Tech in the record book of mass murder. Here are the 15 words that would deliver a mortal wound to our bang-bang culture of death: 'The second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.'"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/04/18/second_amendment/

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 10:38 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2007 10:37:11 PM

^ I doubt Boone has actually met Walter Shapiro.

There are nutty people on both sides of it... people who want to ban guns and people who think guns should be freely available and/or every home should have a gun.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 10:41 PM. Reason : the people who want to ban all guns, whom I disagree with, have better statistical data on their sid]

4/22/2007 10:40:46 PM

Quote :

"... But, one of the reasons why I would be hesitant to ask for or accept help from a stranger is the possibility that they might have a gun. "

That's actually one of the reasons that I now own a gun and have my CC permit. Stopped to help a couple pulled over on the side of the road. They pulled a gun & robbed me. I was lucky since they decided only to knock me out with it rather than kill me. Now I don't stop period, even though I'm armed although I am much more confident when I'm in less-than-ideal areas. The other one was when a "friend" tried to kill me because I told him he needed to lay off the drugs (he's now in an institution btw).

4/22/2007 11:11:09 PM

^^ I doubt the people Boone meets have much influence. I'm simply listing influential people.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 11:23 PM. Reason : .]

4/22/2007 11:21:34 PM

Quote :

"the people who want to ban all guns, whom I disagree with, have better statistical data on their sid"

Does that mean that it actually makes (logical) sense to get rid of guns? Keep in mind that I don't agree with the anti-gun crowd either, but all I can really do to defend my ownership of a weapon is cite my personal preferences. If the pro-gun side is unable to justify itself, especially in light of statistics, then could we potentially be better off taking guns away from civilians completely?

Though I still strongly hold to the view that taking away guns from law-abiding citizens won't do jack to protect them from criminals.

4/22/2007 11:28:52 PM

^^ If we're talking about influence, then gun nuts should feel pretty safe. Isn't the NRA one of the most powerful lobbys?

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 11:29 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2007 11:29:05 PM

Wait, Walter Shapiro is influential?

Are you sure he isn't one of "a couple random editorialists"?

4/22/2007 11:30:21 PM

^^ The pendulum swings to and fro.

^ Reaching millions of people with an editorial is a form of influence.

4/22/2007 11:47:29 PM

You mean like Bill O'Reilly?

4/22/2007 11:53:35 PM

Quote :

"But if you view helping others as an inherently risky situation, then that could mean that you're a tad on the paranoid side."

I'd say it's understanding that society has bad elements and that there are people out there that would choose to cause me harm over various reasons and I choose not to let myself be a victim.

why not help someone if I feel I can help them and manage to keep myself safe in the process

4/23/2007 12:24:47 AM

^^ Bill O'Reilly has been calling for tougher gun-control laws all week. I realize that he is a conservative bogeyman to you, but you should really get your facts straight.

4/23/2007 12:47:51 AM

^ Are you claiming that O' Reilly is not in fact a conservative boogeyman?

4/23/2007 1:56:13 AM

Walter Shapiro??

oh, hook, is that your evidence of "influential liberals" who want to ban guns? good lord, i didnt even know who this guy was til you posted this link.

i just looked him up: his last (and only) partisan political position was a junior speechwriter for the Carter Administration.

so lately where has he been? Oh yeah. second-string columnist for USA Today and occasional opinion writer for Salon

yeah. wow. real influential guy. a real prime mover behind the the progressive academic and intellectual policy debate.

hook i swear you just make me sad. i want to have such high expectations of you, but yet you continually let me down, again and again.

when will i learn?





[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 2:49 AM. Reason : ]

4/23/2007 2:46:55 AM

Community: "Community activist" Rev. Melvin Whitley wants ammunition permits.

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/547616.html

Local (with national implications): What about the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns? If only their focus was on nothing but illegal guns.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200704/NAT20070419b.html

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/home2.shtml

National: Certain semi-autos were already banned once by the Clinton administration--with help from Senators Schumer, Feinstein, Kerry, Kennedy, and others. Thankfully, the ban was forced to sunset on September 13, 2004.

http://www.clintongunban.com/welcome.aspx

International: Just look at the disgraceful image of the United States as represented on the latest cover of The Economist with the title of "America's tragedy." (I couldn't find an image of it to link to--someone please post it.)

http://www.economist.com/printedition/

If the NRA, other groups, and citizens were not continually fighting to preserve our Second Amendment rights, private gun ownership would have been gone a long time ago--deal with it.



[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 5:16 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2007 5:12:33 AM

ok, i seem to recognize that cut and paste tactic. are you going salisburyboy on me?

lets see what we got here:

The Rev. Melvin Whitley "community activist"... who the fuck is this guy outside of Durham NC? oh, yeah, nobody.

"Mayors against Illegal Guns"... what? who? you mean that "nationally prominent" group of mostly small-town mayors... and they are going to do what? repeal the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. okaaaaaay....

CNS News ... yes, the guys who write articles such as "Iran Planning Destruction Worse Than Nazi Gas Chambers, Survivor Says"

Lets not forget ol' Bill Clinton.... the bugbear of every neo-con's nightmares. supported the ban on a few so-called "assault" weapons. hmm... hey! didja hear, they are also banning your "constitutional right" to own Howitzers, Abrams M1 Tanks, and F/A-18 Hornets. now whatcha goin' do about that, hoss?

And, finally, "The Economist" ... i assume you mean the economically moderate, socially liberal news/opinion magazine printed in LONDON, ENGLAND... you say they think america should ban handguns? Oh the horrors. whodathunkit?



... in fact ... im still wondering why you insist on remaining anonymous. maybe you really *are* salisburybot. your posts sometimes drift awfully close to his in style and substance.

you say youre a grad TA. does anyone here even know you, personally?






[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 5:44 AM. Reason : ]

4/23/2007 5:35:38 AM

Rev. Melvin Whitley appears this week on NBC 17's At Issue:

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/At_Issue.html

Mayors Against Illegal Guns:

215 members:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/about/members.shtml

The mayors' federal legislation link:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/federal.shtml

The mayors' state and local legislation link:

http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/local/local.shtml

4/23/2007 5:57:37 AM

a couple newsflashes for ya, Twinkle:


NBC-17 != National news. NBC-17's "@ Issue" is local interest programming for Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill.

Mayors are heads of municpal governments. the US Constitution is Federal. Federal Law >> Municipal Law.

4/23/2007 6:07:36 AM

Quote :

"The Rev. Melvin Whitley 'community activist'... who the fuck is this guy outside of Durham NC? oh, yeah, nobody."

Quote :

"NBC-17 != National news. NBC-17's "@ Issue" is local interest programming for Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill."

joe_shitwad

When last I checked, Raleigh and Chapel Hill were both outside Durham. And yes, NBC 17 is a local TV station--you have a firm grasp of the obvious.

Concerning the mayors:

Quote :

"Mayors Against Illegal Guns is committed to working toward simple objectives: keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and punishing criminals who use guns. To those ends, our coalition opposes federal measures that tie the hands of law enforcement [emphasis added]. At the Mayors Against Illegal Guns 2007 National Summit held on Capitol Hill, members agreed that the top priority for the coalition at the federal level [emphasis added] should be the removal of the so-called 'Tiahrt Amendments,' restrictions on ability of law enforcement and other local authorities to use gun trace data to combat illegal gun trafficking."

BTW, President Bush routinely meets with US mayors' groups:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/images/20040123-2_mayors2-515h.html

Twinkle yourself in the fucking asshole.







[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 6:36 AM. Reason : .]

4/23/2007 6:12:58 AM

no Boone, the democrats aren't trying to take guns at all!!!

http://www.kc3.com/news/chicago_confiscation.htm

5/1/2007 9:57:21 AM

nutsmackr totally won this thread.

5/1/2007 11:05:42 AM

^^ Don't worry, Boone-tard and the other apparatchiks will find a way to rationalize those gun confiscations.

5/1/2007 11:35:33 AM

FYI--for all of you that claim Rosie has no influence concerning the gun debate or anything else:

Leo, Rosie Make Time's Most Influential
DiCaprio, O'Donnell And Baron Cohen Among Entertainers On Time's List Of 100 Most Influential

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/03/ap/entertainment/main2756972.shtml

5/4/2007 1:15:05 AM

^^^^

Quote :

" However, over the years, the fellow apparently forgot to re-register the firearm, and forgot to renew his Illinois FOID Card. "

If he is not going to follow the law, he should face the punishments, shouldn't he?

5/4/2007 2:34:55 AM

I consider ownership cards and extra licensing to be unconstitutional to begin with

5/4/2007 10:22:34 AM