5/7/2007 5:09:17 PM

5/7/2007 5:10:43 PM

HE MUST'VE BEEN SUPERHUMAN TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE AN ATTACK BY THE BLACK YOUTHS

5/7/2007 5:17:22 PM

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"HE MUST'VE BEEN SUPERHUMAN TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE AN ATTACK BY THE BLACK YOUTHS"

Too bad he didn't kill one of the little bastards (legally) in self-defense.

5/7/2007 5:24:05 PM

^ Because that would surely turn the tide in the racial war you're dreaming of?

Or maybe it's that deep seated genetic desire for justice that only us white guys have?

5/7/2007 5:27:18 PM

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"Because that would surely turn the tide in the racial war you're dreaming of? "

No, because they would get what they deserve.

5/7/2007 5:29:40 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States

Because the death penalty is a widely accepted punishment for assault... or assault with a deadly weapon... or even attempted murder...

oh wait.

5/7/2007 5:33:42 PM

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" Quote : "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. --Abraham Lincoln, September 18, 1858 debate with Stephen Douglas" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_on_slavery"

Lincoln said this that same day:

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" So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. "

--Abraham Lincoln, September 18, 1858 debate with Stephen Douglas"

That speech had nothing to do with Liberia BTW.

5/7/2007 5:37:06 PM

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"West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the Union. It also has one of the highest percentages of gun ownership. Yet it has among the very lowest crime rates. Wonder why? Because it's 95% white"

same thing with Vermont... and they allow anyone that is legally allowed to own a firearm the right to carry with no paperwork

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"Because the death penalty is a widely accepted punishment for assault... or assault with a deadly weapon... or even attempted murder... oh wait."

what does the use of deadly force justified by escalation of force by the perpetrator have to do with the death penalty..

defending oneself is hardly the death penalty
it's using force to overcome a criminal act that could potentially leave you dead

5/7/2007 6:01:15 PM

I think society would look down on a 6'2" 220lb guy shooting a 13 year old.

5/7/2007 6:04:09 PM

you fail to mention over a dozen 13 year olds


some carrying deadly weapons, all attacking you


ask a soldier if a 13 year old can be dangerous?

is he gonna stop and be like, "hey guys, yall are 13, you're lucky you're not 21 because I'd shoot your sorry asses!"

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:06 PM. Reason : duuuuh]

5/7/2007 6:05:29 PM

So it's what they deserve because it's legally justified? There is a distinct difference in defending one's self with the intent of preserving life and hoping that somebody gets killed in the act of defense because he deserves it.

I'm not in any way saying that a person doesn't have the right to defend themselves to the point of killing another man to preserve his own life...

It's sitting on the sidelines hoping a black guy dies and trying to mask that blatant racism as "justice" that I take issue with...

5/7/2007 6:06:34 PM

Addressing the original response: He's not talking about that at all. He's being facetious when he implies that the death penalty should be used to punish the kids that perpetrated the assault in a court of law.

He's addressing this originally:

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"Too bad he didn't kill one of the little bastards (legally) in self-defense."

After which he called salisburyboy out and asked if he dreamed of a racial war or if he thought that justice should be extremely harsh to non-whites because they are inferior.

To this there was the response:

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"No, because they would get what they deserve."

And so, they deserve death because they assaulted a guy? That's what they deserve? No it is not.

My brother more than supports the use of deadly force against somebody that's trying to kill you. You're mis-interpreting what he's saying. He's just fucking around with salisburyboy.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:08 PM. Reason : oh snap he's back]

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:08 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/7/2007 6:08:21 PM

^^so you're saying he should take the ass beating, "like a man" when they're trying to kill him?

or that he should just shoot them all in the legs and arms, not really stop the threat, risk a good chance of getting sued or going to prison, and possibly set him self up for retribution

deadly force gets deadly force in return... these kids keep it up and they'll find out


^ ahhhh, made it sound like that the use of deadly force is now implementing the death penalty without a jury!

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM. Reason : s]

5/7/2007 6:08:52 PM

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" you fail to mention over a dozen 13 year olds some carrying deadly weapons, all attacking you "

According to salisburyboy's link, it was 4-5 kids attacking him, and 1 had a board with a nail in it.

5/7/2007 6:10:44 PM

I thought I read they were charging up to 8 so far

and somewhere it said up to 20


still doesn't matter, assault with a deadly weapon with intent to inflict serious bodily harm, especially when there is more than one attacker

I don't know about you, but I'm not gonna just let that happen

you'd be completely justified in shooting

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:13 PM. Reason : x]

5/7/2007 6:12:05 PM

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"and 1 had a board with a nail in it."

That's key, right there.

5/7/2007 6:12:20 PM

I guess moron is not just a mere mortal, because last I checked a board with a nail in it could do some damage

5/7/2007 6:14:08 PM

Crime Desc.                    NY                            West Virginia
____________________________________________________________
Total Index:         3,099.6 per 100,000 people      2,602.8 per 100,000 
Violent Crime:      553.9 per                              316.5 per 
Property Crimes:  2,545.7 per                            2,286.3 
Murders:             5.0 per                                 2.5 per
Forced Rape:        18.6 per                               18.3 per (crackers like rape as much as the negroes it seems)
Robbery:             213.6                                   41.4
Assaults:             316.7                                   254.2 
Burglaries:           463.4                                  546.9 
Theft/larceny:       1,796.4                                1,556.1
Vehicle theft:        285.8                                   183.3 

5/7/2007 6:22:05 PM

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"still doesn't matter, assault with a deadly weapon with intent to inflict serious bodily harm, especially when there is more than one attacker I don't know about you, but I'm not gonna just let that happen you'd be completely justified in shooting "

I don't necessarily disagree, but think how it would sound for you to tell your buddies that you shot a 13 year old kid. And you're a big burly 6-2 210lb guy. I'm just saying it would be very easy to make you out to be the bad guy if that kind of situation.

The guy that was attacked in this case didn't even need medical attention, so they obviously didn't hurt him that badly (my guess is that the underground white supremacist media is distorting the issue, the Jews have infiltrated them now too).

Considering the kid that was attacked 3 times in this same neighborhood was hispanic, this is not an issue of white vs. black like some would like you to believe. It's an issue of negligent parenting (and possibly other things) for a decrepit segment of society.

5/7/2007 6:27:21 PM

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"Too bad he didn't kill one of the little bastards (legally) in self-defense."

Yeah, he should have made them all bite the curb.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that the jews are trying to destroy white people.

5/7/2007 6:27:24 PM

^^^ so you compare the overall rate and comment that it isn't much different.

and then you on purpose comment on rape because it is in the favor of non-whites (or at least doesn't go against them).

but you neglect to mention that in NY:

1) you have 75% more violent crime
2) you have 100% more (double) the murders
3) more than 5x as many robberies
4) more than 50% more vehicle theft

as compared to WV.

you want to change your stance now?

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"West Virginia is a little bit safer, but there's no correlation to race. If race was a factor, NY, being only about 35% white non-hispanic (45% white with hispanic) should have drastically higher crime rates than W. Va., but that's clearly not the case."

yes, it IS clearly the case.


[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:33 PM. Reason : intellectual deceit]


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"(crackers like rape as much as the negroes it seems)"

as for that, majority (even after factoring in percent population of each ethnic group) of the rapes are committed by the non-whites, whether hispanic or black.

so even that was an attempt at dishonesty on your part.


[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:36 PM. Reason : ]

5/7/2007 6:31:10 PM

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"West Virginia is a little bit safer, but there's no correlation to race. If race was a factor, NY, being only about 35% white non-hispanic (45% white with hispanic) should have drastically higher crime rates than W. Va., but that's clearly not the case. "

Did you even read your own chart there? There's half the violent crimes and half the murders. That's the relevant issue when you are talking about being safe.

5/7/2007 6:31:19 PM

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"Did you even read your own chart there? There's half the violent crimes and half the murders. That's the relevant issue when you are talking about being safe."

I was about type the same thing.

5/7/2007 6:32:18 PM

^...^

West Va. is 3% black, NY is 27%, but NY doesn't have 9x the violence of W. Va., so it's very clearly NOT race.

And just because a crime is not violent doesn't mean it's not devastating.

5/7/2007 6:35:50 PM

^ are you serious? That math makes the assumption that all violent crime is committed by blacks which is clearly ridiculous.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/7/2007 6:41:51 PM

Moron has never been known for his logic.

5/7/2007 6:43:17 PM

pwrstrkdf250: My point isn't that lethal self defense in this case wouldn't be entirely justifiable, and in-fact just...

My point is that Salisburyboy was personally saying "Too bad he didn't kill one of the little bastards (legally) in self-defense." Not because he supports a proper self-defense, but because he's racist.

And furthermore, the hope should be that this incident somehow brings light to the problem within the community... hoping to see "the little bastards die" for the sake of justice would serve no real purpose in the context of this case. We've seen tons of examples where this kind of racial violence is going on and an incident of the kind Salisburyboy was pining for would almost certainly ignite more violence (likely violence against innocents of both the white and black communities)

5/7/2007 6:44:00 PM

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" are you serious? That math makes the assumption that all violent crime is committed by blacks which is clearly ridiculous."

Have you been reading this thread? That is what salisburyboy has been implying.

Crime rates will correlate more to poverty than race, but race does correlate to poverty (because of the history of segregation). There's a base level of crime though that will exist in any society, regardless of racial makeup.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 6:46 PM. Reason : ]

5/7/2007 6:45:20 PM

crime does correlate ver very strongly with race, esp violent crimes.

that's a fact.

now you can come up with any number of reasons to explain it (poverty, past slavery, discrimination, etc), but my first sentence is a known fact.

seems like you are somehow trying to disprove that.

5/7/2007 6:51:32 PM

^ Suicide bombing correlates very, very strongly to arabs (or terrorism to saudi-arabians). Can you validly conclude that all arabs are inherently more likely to suicide-bomb something?

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" and then you on purpose comment on rape because it is in the favor of non-whites (or at least doesn't go against them)."

Wow, you people need to learn some reading comprehension. I commented on rapes because that's Salisburyboy's favorite statistic.



[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 7:02 PM. Reason : ]

5/7/2007 6:56:56 PM

Russia has one of the highest murder rates in the world, yet it's a mostly white country.

Of course, perhaps the nonwhite are doing the murdering over there. I don't know.

Then there's medieval London, which supposedly had a murder rate of 23 per 100,000. Some parts of Germany had rates as high as 100 per 100,000, which is higher than in any U.S. city.

http://andrewhammel.typepad.com/german_joys/2007/04/german_murder_r.html

Don't insult my race. We can be just as criminal and violent as anybody else.

5/7/2007 7:11:36 PM

yes, i am not afraid to call a spade a spade.

on average, arabs/muslims are more likely to suicide-bomb than non-arabs/non-muslims.

that's a fact.

and that's only because of the (real) statistics.

in the same vein, blacks commit far more murders, rapes, robberies as compared to whites, in america. (as a percent of their population)

5/7/2007 7:12:34 PM

In the United States today, sure. But these things can change.

Six hundred or so years ago, Germany was more dangerous than the worst current U.S. city.

5/7/2007 7:19:46 PM

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"I don't necessarily disagree, but think how it would sound for you to tell your buddies that you shot a 13 year old kid. And you're a big burly 6-2 210lb guy. I'm just saying it would be very easy to make you out to be the bad guy if that kind of situation"

I don't think a justifiable self defense shooting is something you go back and brag about with your buddies

as long as the court/DA/jury doesn't think I'm a bad guy and I get to live another day without being killed or crippled by some thugs, I won't really give a shit what others think

5/7/2007 7:21:27 PM

forgot to comment on this:

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"Can you validly conclude that all arabs are inherently more likely to suicide-bomb something?"

no, that's a moronic conclusion.

no one (at least not most people) is saying that ALL blacks are more likely to be more violent than ALL whites, i.e., each black is inherently more likely to be more violent than each white. no one is saying that. (again, at least not most people).

but this statement CAN be made:

blacks as a whole (as a group, on average, etc) are more violent than whites. that's just a translation of the available stats into an english sentence.

5/7/2007 7:33:32 PM

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"blacks as a whole (as a group, on average, etc) are more violent than whites. that's just a translation of the available stats into an english sentence. "

That is a technically valid phrasing. But you have to understand why people would get bent out of shape for making that statement, with no qualifications, especially when it's a known whack-job white supremacist saying it.

It's like saying "arabs as a whole (as a group) are more violent than Americans" you might could pull up some stats for that, but it doesn't represent a meaningful truth all by itself. And statements that are true, but not meaningful, are propaganda. Propaganda has no place in rational discourse (not that i'm accusing The Soap Box of being rational).

5/7/2007 7:45:31 PM

fair enough.

5/7/2007 7:46:53 PM

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"In the 111,590 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was white, 44.5 percent of the offenders were white, and 33.6 percent of the offenders were black. In the 36,620 cases in which the victim of rape or sexual assault was black, 100 percent of the offenders were black, and 0.0 percent of the offenders were white. The table explains that 0.0 percent means that there were under 10 incidents nationally.""

I did find this interesting and surprising (if true), especially in light of the duke lacrosse fiasco.

5/7/2007 8:13:30 PM

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"Six hundred or so years ago, Germany was more dangerous than the worst current U.S. city."

I seem to recall Germans committing a number of violent crimes during the 1940's. Actually most of the white folk in Europe and the US were rather violent back then.

5/7/2007 8:25:15 PM

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/justify.htm

5/7/2007 8:39:48 PM

I bet white people sexually assault more white women than do blacks.

5/7/2007 8:40:52 PM

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"White supremacy isn't so much an ideology as it is a matter of fact....eg, western civilization is vastly superior to others."

If you actually did legitimate research instead of just parroting white supremacist web sites, you might get something right once in a while.

Western society is more advanced primarily because of the resources available in Europe thousands of years ago - not because of anything special about white people.

5/7/2007 8:53:48 PM

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"I seem to recall Germans committing a number of violent crimes during the 1940's. Actually most of the white folk in Europe and the US were rather violent back then."

That's war and democide. Such mass killing don't count. If you put them into the mix, the other races wouldn't have a chance of matching white violence. Except perhaps the East Asians. They've got Mao, Chiang Kai-shek, and Pol Pot.

[Edited on May 7, 2007 at 9:06 PM. Reason : x]

5/7/2007 9:06:00 PM

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"western civilization is vastly superior to others."

Shows your ignorance.

Western superiority is a relatively recent phenomenon

5/7/2007 9:29:23 PM

about the rape thing, i think its just more of guys go after clean pretty girls, which in most cases would be white girls, black girls also are stronger and can fight harder
and also white girls are a much easier taget, i mean what white guy is gonna go in the hood to commit a crime, especially rape
so the stats dont suprise me that much

5/7/2007 10:10:48 PM

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"Six hundred or so years ago, Germany was more dangerous than the worst current U.S. city."

yeah you are right, and 600 years ago walking around the jungles of africa i would probably be some zulu warriors sacrifice to the gods after i took a spear to the gut

5/7/2007 11:40:03 PM

shit like this didn't happen to us when we were still allowed to lynch the darkies

5/7/2007 11:50:46 PM

i think i need to re-iterate the statements sourpatchin made...

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" I mean, there's this issue of "hate crime" and how it's applied. I personally don't believe in the notion of a hate crime. It's a ridiculous idea, in my opinion. You kill a man because he's a homosexual, and you don't like homosexuals...so they punish your for killing him and then tack on more punishment because you killed him for being a homosexual. That's basically punishing you for hating homosexuals. And I don't think it's right to go around punishing people for their opinions and feelings. In fact, it's unconstitutional. Now, we have folks in this thread saying these boys should be punished for committing a hate crime, but the article says that he was attacked for "no reason." Not because he was white, but for no reason. That says to me that it was not a hate crime. LOL"

wow, just wow

5/8/2007 1:43:34 AM

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"My point is that Salisburyboy was personally saying "Too bad he didn't kill one of the little bastards (legally) in self-defense." Not because he supports a proper self-defense, but because he's racist. "

I support self-defense. And I'm also a so-called "racist." These are not mutually exclusive ideas.

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"Newsflash...so-called "racism" is not the "uber duber evil" the Jewish media and establishment would have you believe. "Racism" is nothing more than concern for your own family/people/kindred over others. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, and this is how people have operated for virtually all of human history...up until the last few decades with the radical "multiculturalist" agenda pushed onto the white western nations whereby they are forced to accept massive non-white immigration into their nations."

5/8/2007 7:25:17 AM