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"people just weren't naturally meant to be vegans."

I've heard this argument time and time again...but, my view is if I'm not going to go out and kill it/harvest it, then I have no business eating it.

I'm ready for the flaming, and I know it's coming...

[Edited on May 10, 2007 at 2:30 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/10/2007 2:28:05 PM

as long as you don't believe that everyone else should follow the same rule, I have no beef with that.


(pun intended)

5/10/2007 2:31:11 PM

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"I've heard this argument time and time again...but, my view is if I'm not going to go out and kill it/harvest it, then I have no business eating it."

I'm not flaming veganism at all, but that statement could just as easily apply to vegetables unless you are saying that you grow/harvest all your own food. It certainly doesn't harvest itself.

5/10/2007 2:32:37 PM

I've never forced in on anyone. I see this as one of the main factors people are so turned off by it. If someone is interested they will ask/make their own decisions.

Edit: Not saying I grow my own veggies, process soy, and extract nutrients...just that morally I have no problem picking a plant out of the ground if I had to. I would never go out and kill an animal if it was 8:00pm and I craved a steak while playing WoW.


[Edited on May 10, 2007 at 2:36 PM. Reason : asfd]

5/10/2007 2:32:51 PM

come on, non-vegetarian parents fuck up and kill their babies all the time. just cuz the idiots made one enlightened decision once in their lives doesn't mean they aren't idiots

5/10/2007 2:37:04 PM

we're at the top of the food chain for a reason. pass the A-1.

5/10/2007 2:38:04 PM

No problem with that, learned very quickly that you are not going to stop people from eating meat by trying to take it away from them. Just lead by example.

I never once have I told my GF to become a vegan. But since dating me and learning more about what you can and can't eat/seeing how easy it is to survive with a somewhat normal diet she actually prefers making vegan food now.

5/10/2007 2:43:30 PM

lol she's gonna quit when u break up

5/10/2007 2:48:58 PM

i don't have anything against eating most vegan food......






























as long as it comes with a t-bone.

5/10/2007 2:49:51 PM

just don't go to applebees

5/10/2007 2:50:51 PM

Did someone just try to equate starving your son to aborting a fetus?

There's a pretty distinct scientific difference between a cluster of cells 3 months into pregnancy and a full developed baby about to be born 8 months in.

Don't be THAT guy.

5/10/2007 2:57:14 PM

Vegan or not, a diet "largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice" could not possibly have enough calories for development/survival. Soy milk isn't suitable for babies that are less than 6 months anyway, but (as has been pointed out many times already) breast milk is. A vegan's breast milk is also significantly lower in toxins and pesticides. As a side note, it's not really recommended for any baby to have cow's milk or eggs while they're infants.

Speaking from my own experience, I know many children (5 and under) that have been raised vegan, and it does take a great deal of vigilance/awareness on the parents' part. Although it is pretty challenging, you can raise a healthy, vegan child from birth (and though it's another discussion, they are many times healthier babies than their non-vegetarian counterparts). Typically vegans are much more conscious of their dietary needs and are more dedicated to supplementing their diets. These parents were obviously not, and veganism aside, they were negligent and incredibly irresponsible.

[Edited on May 10, 2007 at 2:59 PM. Reason : *know]

5/10/2007 2:58:23 PM

Time to bring back selective sterilization.

5/10/2007 2:59:05 PM

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"they fed the kid soy milk and apple juice...is it too much to also feed him some mashed up fruits and vegetables?"

I've been through this over the past year (she turns 1 in two weeks). Our pediatrician gave us two rules:

1. Only breastmilk or formula until five months old, and formula only if absolutely necessary (apparently mom's body develops the correct balance for the individual child as it grows in the womb).

2. see above.

Why? No other milk has the correct balance of fats, protein, and vitamins. Look at the nutrition information on the side of a formula container. Compare it to milk. Compare it to soy-anything. There is absolutely nothing that can substitute for these nutrients during the first several months. Breast milk is made to order - our pede told us that an infant's body will completely digest it within an hour - which is why they're so damn hungry all the time in the beginning.

I don't have a problem with vegans per se, but I do have a problem with shit-for-brains dullards who buy in to the bullshit movement jargon that tells them that their new lifestyle is really the "natural" way and who don't temper their blind enthusiasm with a little fucking common sense. The irony, of course, is that human beings lost touch with "natural" so long ago that some of them will consciously choose to avoid one of the only "natural" aspects of our existence that still remains. It's not the first time I've heard of vegans starving their children to death, and I bet if you searched LexisNexis you'd find plenty of hits.

Sorry. No more words. I get a little protective:

5/10/2007 3:51:26 PM

^ That is a cute outfit.

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"I never once have I told my GF to become a vegan. But since dating me and learning more about what you can and can't eat/seeing how easy it is to survive with a somewhat normal diet she actually prefers making vegan food now."

That sounds a lot like my situation, only I'm the one that eats meat. My girlfriend has been a vegetarian since she was 11 years old. She knows I'm not going to change and vice versa.

5/10/2007 4:00:39 PM

^^well i didnt know the specifics of what to feed babies up to what age...however if i didnt know, i'd ask somebody instead of letting my kid starve to death

5/10/2007 4:07:00 PM

For some reason this thread reminded me of those parents who put their kids through the "re-birthing" process by rolling them up in blankets/rugs and having them "re-emerge from the womb". Not all of them make it back out alive

5/10/2007 4:10:50 PM

ALL OF THIS CRAP ASIDE

THEY ARE RETARDED FOR NOT EATING MEAT

5/10/2007 4:18:05 PM

Ok, I feel obligated to respond to this thread. I have two children and am a vegetarian. I am raising them both on diets with no meat. Granted, we do consume some animal products (milk, fish, etc). I guess we aren't true vegetarians since we eat fish, but our diet is still limited. When my son was a baby, he was breastfed until I learned he had a severe milk allergy and had to be put on special super expensive formula (read $27/can). Now he is 2 and a half and eats tons of fruits and veggies, beans, lots of cheese, vitamin supplements, and a lot of soy protein. Everytime he goes to the doctor, his weight, heigh, iron level, etc, are perfect. My daughter is just 5 months old and I am breastfeeding her. She is getting rice cereal now too. I plan on doing the same with her as I did my son. People like this sicken me. It's not that hard to read a little bit and figure out what your baby needs. There are plenty of vegans out there raising perfectly healthy children. The baby should have been breastfed or on formula. They make soy based formulas, so he could have had that. Babies are supossed to begin solids (rice cereal) between 4 and 6 months and then babyfood at 6 months or later, therefore the baby couldn't have had mashed veggies or anything, just formula or breastmilk. He should have been eating at LEAST every 4 hours as a 6 week old.

Oh and couldn't resist:

5/10/2007 4:26:21 PM

FISH IS FUCKING MEAT

fish is meat

[Edited on May 10, 2007 at 4:29 PM. Reason : *]

5/10/2007 4:29:12 PM

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"I guess we aren't true vegetarians since we eat fish, but our diet is still limited."

5/10/2007 4:33:28 PM

hence my strikeout

5/10/2007 4:36:13 PM

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"I guess we aren't true vegetarians since we eat fish"

At least some people admit that.
And I don't care what diet you put your kid on. At six weeks old, 3.5 pounds is messed up whether he is vegan or on atkins.

5/10/2007 4:58:07 PM

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""You know we've been vegetarians," said Lamont Thomas. "We're against animal cruelty. So why would I be cruel to my son? We're against animals being burdened. Why would be cruel and burden him and try to drive around and do something with his body? We're going to jail for no reason.""

This guy sounds really smart. Great logic there.

5/10/2007 5:00:53 PM

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"Why would be cruel and burden him and try to drive around and do something with his body?"

wtf

5/10/2007 5:09:21 PM

lots of people call themselves vegetarians and only eat mac and cheese. lots of christians are idiots. lots of atheists are nice people. lots of blacks are poor. lots of jews like money. it's ridiculous that someone as intelligent as you, bobby, would make a statement like "vegans are retarded" based on this case, when you've clearly argued against such pigeon-holing of religious people and the like many times.

as for veganism, more power to you, but I hope you're taking plenty of supplements and/or eating LOTS of protein-rich plant matter, beans, etc, because otherwise you're going to be unhealthy. Human beings are omnivores. We wouldn't exist if we hadn't eaten meat, and there's nothing wrong with eating meat. Now, the way our civilization raises animals and processes meat, on the other hand, is completely wrong and barbaric.

[Edited on May 10, 2007 at 5:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2007 5:24:44 PM

That kid was neglected, has nothing to do with a vegan diet.

5/10/2007 5:34:55 PM

fuckin vegans, they stuc

5/10/2007 5:44:39 PM

^^^ you missed my second post:

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"admittedly, my thread title was unnecessarily inflammatory towards vegans. I just don't like militant vegans, which are the only kind i've met. probably b/c the non-militant ones don't bother me with that crap."

5/10/2007 6:37:13 PM

I don't think the issue should be whether or not vegan is right/wrong. The fact is these idiots who are so concerned about not hurting animals KILLED their child.

It doesn't take a scientist to realize if the baby was born a normal weight and got smaller instead of bigger, something is wrong.

Besides, the baby would have died anyway. Without innoculations or mom's breast milk for maternal antibodies/defenses that babies need their first 6 months, the little sucker probably would have died with his first cold.

5/10/2007 6:45:43 PM

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"That kid was neglected, has nothing to do with a vegan diet."

thats not entirely true. being vegan lead them down the path to begin with. their stupidity and neglect compounded the problem of course.

5/10/2007 6:49:47 PM

vegans are just fuckin attention whores

5/10/2007 7:55:13 PM

back in the olde olde olde days, vegans would of died

5/10/2007 8:17:13 PM

^^ Haha, some vegans like to be as with any fads that put you in the minority. Me, I hate the attention because most people try to make me a hypocrite. It makes me a target...I only enjoy the attention when I get to inform people who are genuinely interested in learning.

5/10/2007 10:16:04 PM

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"as for veganism, more power to you, but I hope you're taking plenty of supplements and/or eating LOTS of protein-rich plant matter, beans, etc, because otherwise you're going to be unhealthy."

I'm certainly no athlete, but I think I'm about as fit as your average geek. (This, of course, isn't very fit.) I haven't died yet. I regularly bike to work. I even used to be able to do a decent number of push-ups, but that was in my youth (though still after I stopped eating animal products).

5/10/2007 10:36:28 PM

a diet rich in vegetables and fruits is several times better than the fast food shit that most americans shovel into their pie hole.

not all vegans eat healthy, but more vegans eat healthier than your average american.

5/10/2007 10:41:16 PM

M-1 and stic.man are vegan. They still stay healthy enough to kick the shit out of whitey.

5/10/2007 10:46:30 PM

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"Had they killed him 6 weeks ago, just a day or two before he was born, not only would it be perfectly legal, but also most of you crying in this thread wouldn't shed a tear, because "it is part of the woman's body." Wow, what a difference 6 weeks makes! "

Legal where? In your fascist country?

It's not legal in the US to kill a baby at 99% of the way to term. Most pro-choice people don't believe it SHOULD be legal at this point. Your entire post is a strawman.

5/10/2007 10:53:57 PM

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"I'm quite surprised with the lack of racism in this thread"

Well not a lot of Vegans are black. You know, because of the whole fried chicken thing. It just wouldn't work out. However, watermellon is A O K

5/10/2007 11:02:08 PM

HEY STUCKEY, 9.5 INCHES IN YOUR FACE

5/10/2007 11:15:12 PM

HAHA

5/10/2007 11:17:40 PM

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"so do drunk drivers and street racers go to jail forever if they kill someone with their car?"

ummm

yes?

drunk drivers are regularly charged with murder

5/11/2007 12:20:45 AM

Most don't get sentenced to life though.

5/11/2007 12:22:40 AM

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"In Georgia, either Felony Murder or Malice Murder are mandatory life sentences,"

5/11/2007 12:26:27 AM

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"I'm certainly no athlete, but I think I'm about as fit as your average geek. (This, of course, isn't very fit.) I haven't died yet. I regularly bike to work. I even used to be able to do a decent number of push-ups, but that was in my youth (though still after I stopped eating animal products)."

For someone who knows goldenviper, granted you aren't fat, but I'd be surprised if you could bench more than the bar when weightlifting. Get yourself some protein!

[Edited on May 11, 2007 at 2:05 AM. Reason : ]

5/11/2007 2:05:35 AM

dude, stuckey, tell them about the vegan chilli in the trinity square chilli cookoff

your shit was the best!...although i think satan's blood had a little to do with it.

5/11/2007 5:18:44 AM

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"not all vegans eat healthy, but more vegans eat healthier than your average american."

5/11/2007 5:33:45 AM

^^ Yeah that was fun!

5/11/2007 8:40:10 AM

Beef, its whats for dinner!

5/11/2007 8:48:29 AM

I think this thread is pretty much dead in the water now...

5/11/2007 9:29:57 AM