^ BUT THE EARTH TILTS, TOO

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?


See, I can be Treetwista, too.

7/11/2007 12:46:52 PM

^^please continue explaining the other bodies that experience climate change...i really am interested

^^^

Quote :

"sun = can affect climate sun = not responsible for current climate change"

why dont you just pick a word (affect/change) and stick to it so you can realize how much you're contradicting yourself...cause apparently using both the words 'affect' and 'change' are really hindering your understanding of such rudimentary logic

^SUN = CAN CHANGE CLIMATE

SUN = IS NOT CHANGING CLIMATE

SEE I CAN BE BOONE TOO

7/11/2007 12:48:14 PM

I'm not going to hold your hand, just pick one of these and read it:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=climate+change+other+planets&btnG=Search

7/11/2007 12:49:56 PM

^oh you just made it sound like it was so easy i figured you knew all about it and understood the interworkings of all celestial bodies and could easily explain it

7/11/2007 12:50:38 PM

I could, but anyone who really cares about the issue should seek out the information on their own. You'd be far more convinced if you read the information for yourself.

7/11/2007 12:51:51 PM

Quote :

"SUN = CAN CHANGE CLIMATE SUN = IS NOT CHANGING CLIMATE"

See, you do understand.

7/11/2007 12:52:35 PM

^^hey, you're the one who made the bold claim of "they are obviously not related to the Earth's warming"

I figured you should back up such a bold claim

^(carl face)...i feel sorry for your students

7/11/2007 12:53:21 PM

the thermostat controls the temperature in my apartment.

therefore,

if the temperature rises in my apartment, someone raised the thermostat.



Perfectly sound, according to tree.

7/11/2007 12:55:04 PM

that might literally be the worst attempt at an analogy that i've ever seen in my 27 year old life

i just hope you teach history at your high school and not anything science related

7/11/2007 12:55:52 PM

How is it a bad analogy? Explain how it doesn't represent your argument:

The sun effects climate

Therefore, if climate change is occurring, the sun is responsible.


I mean, you learned it in kindergarten, after all. Did you take a logic class somewhere between kindergarten and graduating from college?



Shit. I'm not doing this again. Study after study comes out. Tree tries to poke holes in them, and fails on the first page. Then the next 10 to 27 pages are spent trying to get him to understand why he failed on the first page.



[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 12:58:34 PM

^^^^ The "obvious" part for me comes in with the fact that other planets have drastically different atmospheres and orbits than us, so it would be impossible for them to warm the same way, even if the sun's output was the only thing that affected their temperatures.

Especially to claim a body like Titan or Enceladus which is so far out, has practically no atmosphere, and is in the shadow of their planets for significant amounts of time, to claim that the change in global temperature for them is the same as Earth, when their temperatures are swinging at rates and percentages not even close to Earth's, is ridiculous. And then to use what you admit is not well studied as the sole data point in a rejection of anthropogenic climate change, which is EXTREMELY well studied by comparison is absurd, and borderline delusional.

It's good to see though that the doubters are causing the scientists to look deeper in to the issues, but I doubt the reason for a lot of the global warming doubters are scientific, so it won't change anything really.

7/11/2007 1:04:20 PM

^well thats fine, but one thing that affects (thats spelled with an 'e' Boone) ALL planets and moons is the sun...every planet/body has localized impacts...but the Sun affects all of them...to say any temp changes on other planets are "obviously not related to the Earth's warming" is making some big assumptions

^^logical fallacy

7/11/2007 1:10:23 PM

He majored in Global Warming, after all.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/user_info.aspx?user=32786





^Yes, it is. And it's what you're arguing, genius.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ]

7/11/2007 1:13:03 PM

Quote :

"to say any temp changes on other planets are "obviously not related to the Earth's warming" is making some big assumptions"

That would generally be true, but I was making that against the background of what we know about Earth's climate.

And to me, it's an equally big assumption to say that their warming IS related to Earth, when you know at even a cursory level the ways in which they are warming are.

7/11/2007 1:15:34 PM

^nobody is saying the earth is causing other planets to get warmer...but it seems pretty logical that one of the things affecting the earth's climate (the sun) is also affecting the climate of any other planetary bodies in the solar system...so one of the things affecting the earth's climate is affecting other planets...so its not related to the Earth, but its related to one of the inputs that affects the warming of the earth

7/11/2007 1:25:22 PM

There really needs to be a new "Treetwista's Quotes of Brilliance" thread

7/11/2007 1:27:58 PM

i wish I had a 2 month summer vacation but im not a high school teacher

7/11/2007 1:28:28 PM

Apparently every day is vacation at your job. How do you manage to have such an important career in between your 100+ posts per day?

7/11/2007 1:31:00 PM

when all my equipment is working properly, it is a pretty relaxing day...if we have big problems i'll be working on those, not posting on here...btw its ~23 posts/day..not ~100/day...but you love completely butchering statistics dont you

so apparently i'm good at my job since i'm able to dick around on here

you on the other hand, are a high school history teacher...in some countries thats the penalty for shoplifting

7/11/2007 1:32:46 PM

You're talking crap, which should never occur if

A) You're an IT guy

B) You just said this:

Quote :

"nobody is saying the earth is causing other planets to get warmer...but it seems pretty logical that one of the things affecting the earth's climate (the sun) is also affecting the climate of any other planetary bodies in the solar system...so one of the things affecting the earth's climate is affecting other planets...so its not related to the Earth, but its related to one of the inputs that affects the warming of the earth"

C) You had this many posts yesterday, while at your oh so important job:

Contra for NES TreeTwista10 7/10/2007 5:49:26 PM
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What Should I Do??? TreeTwista10 7/10/2007 5:41:07 PM
damn what a beautiful face TreeTwista10 7/10/2007 5:38:38 PM
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How long is your morning commute? TreeTwista10 7/10/2007 5:27:44 PM
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I only count 96, so you're right, not quite 100.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 1:35:19 PM

^whats wrong with that quote? and i want you to try and answer me...dont just wait for moron or somebody else reply so you can base what you say off that

also you might want to try and get back on topic since you havent been on topic the entire thread...sure i've made fun of you for being a pathetic high school teacher, but i've also made plenty of comments relevant to the topic...too bad you havent

7/11/2007 1:38:10 PM

^^i already explained that when things are working at my job i have free time...not everyone has a "conventional" job like working at mcdonalds, collecting garbage or teaching high school history (i doubt its even an IB/AP class)

but thanks for proving how good you are at copying and pasting

7/11/2007 1:45:17 PM

Starting with this:

Quote :

"nobody is saying the earth is causing other planets to get warmer..."

You somehow interpreted "And to me, it's an equally big assumption to say that their warming IS related to Earth" is mean that moron was actually talking about the Earth causing climate change on other planets.

I don't even know how you did it. I mean... damn. Context, dude.

Quote :

"but it seems pretty logical that one of the things affecting the earth's climate (the sun) is also affecting the climate of any other planetary bodies in the solar system...so one of the things affecting the earth's climate is affecting other planets...so its not related to the Earth, but its related to one of the inputs that affects the warming of the earth"

And here you go again, making illogical assumptions. Sure, it makes sense that the changes in climate for the different planets could be caused by the sun, but this study just disproved that.

But instead of moving on from there, you keep arguing this point as if the fact that it would make sense stands up to this study's scientific research.


^And I can't really think of any respectable job that allows you to post on the internet all day. Can you help me out? Just a few examples?

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 1:48:22 PM

talk to any teacher. they'll tell you that teaching ap/ib is the best gig in school

7/11/2007 1:48:34 PM

Quote :

"it makes sense that the changes in climate for the different planets could be caused by the sun, but this study just disproved that. "

the study did not disprove that...read the study again...then go back to school and learn something and read the study again

^i think tenured professors would disagree...also i doubt he is teaching AP/IB...i would expect more experience requirements

7/11/2007 1:50:10 PM

^^For real. You don't have to do anything.

I bet I could rival Tree's posting habits if I taught AP.


^Most of the time it's half experience, half being put out to pasture. 100% seniority.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:52 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 1:50:16 PM

i'll bet i could rival your posting habits if my other accounts like boonedocks were locked and suspended for trolling

7/11/2007 1:51:16 PM

^^^that's why i said teacher. sure, a professor is also a "teacher" but i was clearly talking about hs teachers.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ^^^]

7/11/2007 1:51:49 PM

So please, Twista, explain how this study did not disprove the link between solar activity and climate change.

And don't so into semantics over the meaning of the word "prove."

7/11/2007 1:53:39 PM

Quote :

"I think just looking at Mars is a good example on how its solar activity and not human...not saying that we should make significant changes to the way our society operates, but I don't believe we caused this"

Same idea but lets allow that other factors other than solar output change the extraterrestrial climates (as moron has pointed out on the last page). One thing I hope we can all agree on is that man is not causing the climate on other planets to change. This should at least urge a but of caution towards those scientists, or history teachers, or rock stars etc... who claim that man is the primary source of climate change.

The climate is always changing, we don't completely understand why yet.

I'm sceptical of this report, I await a more educated analysis of it by an actual critic.

7/11/2007 1:56:47 PM

^^i already did that on the first page but here i'll do it again

- the study studied only one thing: the relationship between solar radiation and earth's temperature over the last 20 years
- it showed that while solar radiation has decreased, earth's temperature has increased
- i already brought up the concept of lag which you chose to ignore but is certainly relevant to any comparison like this
- i questioned the objectivity of any scientist who would literally say "This should settle the debate" which, amongst people who know science, is a big no-no
- just because temperatures have risen and solar radiation has decreased over the last 20 years doesnt mean solar radiation has no effect on earth's temperatures...it simply means the observed effect over the last 20 years has a net negative
- even if solar activity hasnt had any effect on climate in the last 20 years, thats not the same as you claiming this study "disproved the link between solar activity and climate change"

Quote :

"man is not causing the climate on other planets to change. This should at least urge a but of caution towards those scientists, or history teachers, or rock stars etc... who claim that man is the primary source of climate change. The climate is always changing, we don't completely understand why yet. "

and thats all people on my side have been trying to say for years worth of TSB topics...the climate is changing and we dont know why...the problems tend to arise when people say "there is no debate that man is causing this catastrophic problem"

7/11/2007 2:00:27 PM

but that's very suspect coming from you when it seems the only ideas in those threads that you contend are ones that are in support of anthro-climate change

7/11/2007 2:13:22 PM

whats very suspect? i just have a problem with people saying "everyone in the scientific community knows for a fact that its humans and co2 that are causing catastrophic global warming"...i'll be glad to call them out on it because they're completely jumping to conclusions about things they don't understand

if somebody says "global warming is a complete farce made up by the environmentalists and the temps havent even risen" there are plenty of people who would shoot that down before i even got the chance to do it

and i still wonder if nutsmackr knows what a sunspot is

and i think i'm literally having to convice Boone that the sun affects the climate on the Earth...i mean i think most animals realize that

7/11/2007 2:17:18 PM

I don't believe it. A thread involving TreeTwista where there was a misunderstanding about word choice, and an accusation of semantics was made. It's...shocking.

7/11/2007 2:40:37 PM

i dont believe it...blind hate comes in and talks about me without cussing or calling names...shocking

7/11/2007 2:43:55 PM

If scientists keep on feeding us shit like this, they're going to lose the little credibility they have left.

Everyone knows the sun warms the planet. I only have to step outside to see that.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 3:08 PM. Reason : fail]

7/11/2007 3:08:31 PM

needs italics and scare quotes.

"scientists"

7/11/2007 3:51:50 PM

the sun doesnt have any effect on the earth's climate

7/11/2007 4:01:00 PM

Science is the biggest liberal hoax yet. We've been deceived by it for decades, but the tide is finally turning.

7/11/2007 4:02:00 PM

^^Are you so terrible at arguing that you need to resort to strawmen like that to save face?



[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 4:04 PM. Reason : rhetorical question]

7/11/2007 4:03:11 PM

lol i'm not the one that needs to save face

after all i'm not the one to put a BBC article over the common sense that the sun plays a part in the climate

but i guess since your fellow history major nutsmackr posted it, it must be true!

7/11/2007 4:07:29 PM

I was listening to Rush earlier today. His reaction to the report was about the same as Twista's. Obviously, the idea that sun doesn't warm our planet doesn't go over well with the common man.

Scientists have gone too far this time. They must think we'll believe anything.

7/11/2007 4:10:30 PM

I totally talked to one of my professors for 10 minutes after class one day. He said the same exact thing.

7/11/2007 4:13:20 PM

Now wait, did someone say in these articles that the sun doesn't affect climate? That's not what these researchers are saying at all, if that's how someone's understanding it.

They're saying that the sun and cosmic rays don't affect the climate AS MUCH AS we are currently seeing, and carbon has a MUCH larger effect.

Quote :

"The IPCC's February summary report concluded that greenhouse gases were about 13 times more responsible than solar changes for rising global temperatures."

Quote :

""I do think there is a cosmic ray effect on cloud cover. It works in clean maritime air where there isn't much else for water vapour to condense around. It might even have had a significant effect on pre-industrial climate. But you cannot apply it to what we're seeing now, because we're in a completely different ball game," said Lockwood, commenting on the validity of the cosmic ray hypothesis."

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : k]

7/11/2007 4:15:32 PM

^^nah actually i think when i was about 3 or 4 years old my parents told me that the sun heats and lights the earth

but you totally read a BBC article that your fellow history major posted

7/11/2007 4:15:34 PM

I was also a history major. Maybe that explains things.

7/11/2007 4:25:39 PM

^^^ Don't even argue against that. He's just being retarded.

[Edited on July 11, 2007 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/11/2007 4:25:58 PM

At least he's not a scientist.

(Yes, it's becoming a dirty word.)

7/11/2007 4:27:59 PM

Quote :

"So please, Twista, explain how this study did not disprove the link between solar activity and climate change"

well there IS a link between solar activity and climate change

so the article did not disprove the link

you still think there isnt a link?

^^^well at least you appear to have the common sense to realize that the sun affects the earth's climate

7/11/2007 4:29:21 PM

According the scientists, the sun's output doesn't explain the recent warming (since 1980 or so).

But who believes them?

7/11/2007 4:35:31 PM