good job les on his walden pond/thoreau adventure....

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"Grylls passed UK Special Forces Selection, serving as a sabre soldier, trained in unarmed combat, desert and winter warfare, combat survival, medics, parachuting, signals, evasive driving, climbing and explosives"

if i was trapped in the wilderness, i would rather have bear with me anyday

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"Grylls' first book titled Facing Up, went into the UK top 10 best-seller list, and was launched in the USA titled, The Kid Who Climbed Everest. Its subject is his expedition, at 23 years old, to climb to the summit of Mount Everest. The book details the climb, from his first reconnaissance climb on which he fell in a crevasse and was knocked unconscious, coming to swinging on the end of a rope, to the grueling ascent that took him over ninety days of extreme weather, sleep deprivation and almost running out of oxygen inside the death zone. "

not to mention he did this right after breaking his back from a 16,000 foot freefall



grant it, i enjoy watching survivorman, but man v wild is far more entertaining and informative. From what i have seen, Les just camps out and just braves the conditions while bear is out navigating harsh terrain and going 1 on 1 with nature's fury while trying to find help. Les just chills until the crew picks him up after 7 days.

7/13/2007 9:35:59 AM

I just found this show like 2 weeks ago, it's great. Even if he does do stuff like get stuck in quicksand on purpose.

Man, it'd be great if they had a show where they took someone who lived deep in the jungle and put them into the middle of a huge city to see how they survive.

7/13/2007 9:43:36 AM

ha yeah really. or a show where Bear/Les spend a day or two (maybe a week) teaching people how to survive in a particular climate. then they test if the people were listening and leave them stranded.

7/13/2007 9:48:51 AM

I learned a lot of this stuff in the Boy Scouts

and currently its the most popular show among the boys currently in our troop, they love asking if we are going to build shelters and stuff (which they will do for wilderness survival merit badge)

7/13/2007 9:50:35 AM

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"Les just chills until the crew picks him up after 7 days"

TKEshultz...you just lost all rights to comment any further since you are showing your ignorance

Les has never/ever waited for the crew......he does the same thing as Bear as far as "fighting nature's fury"

except Les doesnt intentionally jump in artic water BECAUSE HE IS BY HIMSELF UNLIKE BEAR WHO HAS A TEAM

7/13/2007 9:53:42 AM

hey gunzz, I hear there is a pointless argument over in soapbox with your name on it. just leave it that Bear teaches us how we want to survive in the wild and Les teaches you how you want to survive in the wild. I sure hope you always have that GPS on you though that Les carries.

7/13/2007 10:05:54 AM

never waited for the crew? you must have missed the episode where he was "lost at sea" in the blow up raft .. a storm comes and the crew was right there to pick his pussy ass up until it passed

...a crew is always everready to pick him up if needed

7/13/2007 10:14:57 AM

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"im sure he didnt climb the tree just for the hell of it or to show off hes an experienced climber / brit special forces trained and can do crazy shit like that for whatever reason"

can you think of one valid reason to climb a fucking tree in a jungle 'just to see where you are' ? you won't be able to see anything you wouldn't be able to detect in some other way.... and when he did it, he didn't accomplish anything either other than risk injury....

payoff-reward <<<< risk in this instance....

i know he's trained, i know he's an experienced climber, but it's still fucking stupid.

later he climbed down a waterfall in the water/wet part, when it probably would have taken him about 20 minutes just to walk around it....

i'm also saying if you did some of the things he does, you would end up as compost

7/13/2007 10:16:03 AM

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"can you think of one valid reason to climb a fucking tree in a jungle 'just to see where you are' ? "

you know it is not uncommon to lose your entire sense of direction in the heart of a jungle. people have died from this in the past. if it is possible to do so, climbing a tree to see over the canopy in order to get your navigational barings could keep you alive .. moss on trees isnt always reliable

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 10:21 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/13/2007 10:21:13 AM

my point is that in the jungle, it is not possible to 'get your bearings' by climbing a tree... mostly because at the near canopy level (slightly above assuming you find a tree that breaks the canopy to a extent that you can actually climb up to a point to see above the top most bits of most trees) you still cannot see much other than, the sky, the sun, and more canopy. you are unable to make out breaks in the canopy from this level of altitude or even to see very far. seeing as there are no open spaces really for using the sun for direction finding (similar to a sundial method he uses very effectively in other cases) climbing into the canopy serves very little purpose.... there is food up there that is true, but also most of the predators are in that level as well....

that said, when he did it, he was unable to accomplish anything by doing it... and instead just did what I thought he should have done in the first place, and what probably intending to do to begin with, head down hill until you find a stream, then follow it to a river, get on the river and hopefully float out of the fucking jungle.

7/13/2007 10:29:23 AM

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"moss on trees isnt always reliable "

Moss on trees is almost never reliable.

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"I sure hope you always have that GPS on you though that Les carries. "

So does he really always have a GPS with him? I do not get to watch the show much but I don't remember that part.

7/13/2007 10:30:05 AM

^^ o yeah, i remember that episode. that raft he built was pretty sweet. how the hell did the cameras keep up with him

^ yeah he has a GPS, that is how the crew finds him at the end of 7 days. GPS may not be the right word. he has a tracking device on him that the crew can watch. he doesn't have a GPS that maps the land

7/13/2007 10:31:45 AM

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The Dude is horrible at linking the right way

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 10:44 AM. Reason : lsjdf]

7/13/2007 10:37:27 AM

get out of here mexican

7/13/2007 10:38:24 AM

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 10:43 AM. Reason : yo]

7/13/2007 10:41:36 AM

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"never waited for the crew? you must have missed the episode where he was "lost at sea" in the blow up raft .. a storm comes and the crew was right there to pick his pussy ass up until it passed ...a crew is always everready to pick him up if needed"

oh you mean the ONE episode where he could have gotten killed?

shut the fuck up with that weak mess

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"...a crew is always everready to pick him up if needed "

god dude, you are an idiot and must have the inablility to read

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"My safety crew and I are trying to be as ready as we can. The crew is a number of miles away – I don’t know how many – I’ve been driving the dogs all day. I do know that my safety radio system is beyond it’s reach which puts me out of contact with them and therefore out of the safety zone. "

http://www.lesstroudonline.com/blog/

pwnt >.<

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 10:47 AM. Reason : sdf]

7/13/2007 10:45:31 AM

les was was recording folk music, building log cabins and reading boy scout handbooks while bear was in survival training for brit special forces and being the youngest brit to climb everest

you get a hardon for les's ability to make a shelter out of airplane scraps when any knowledgable eagle scout (including myself) with a little bit of common sense could manage to survive 7 days in many of the situations he "survives" through

7/13/2007 11:21:17 AM

Shut the fuck up with this debate already.

7/13/2007 11:22:50 AM

^ haha ive been waiting for you to say something

7/13/2007 11:26:14 AM

I just don't care anymore.

7/13/2007 11:30:15 AM

shit got real

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

7/13/2007 11:35:06 AM

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"(which they will do for wilderness survival merit badge)"

That one sucked.

7/13/2007 11:36:37 AM

..... you have to wait for the sun to move smartass... or till it's late or early in the day, but then you probably would not be able to see it anyways.

there are always, even in a jungle, a few patches of light that come through, so if you want to determine east west by that just observe the angle of the shaft of light coming down.... (actually all of them are at the same angle)

7/13/2007 11:38:49 AM

i edited it out before i saw your reply simply cuz arguing over the internet is lame, who cares why he climbed a tree

7/13/2007 11:39:33 AM

lol i had this same 'discussion' with my roommate... it was tedious

7/13/2007 11:40:32 AM

so where and when is survivorman on? i see science channel, wed at 9, but looking at the listings i dont see a science channel for twc


i know ive seen a lil bit of it once and thought it was ok, but i wanna go back and watch again and come to an educated conclusion

7/13/2007 11:49:15 AM

there has only been one season so far Saps...the reruns typically play on TWC chnl 111 [one of Discovery's]

7/13/2007 11:52:59 AM

aha found it! thx gunzz

usually its on 111 but tonight theyre showing an episode on discovery channel at 7

ima dvr that bitch

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 11:57 AM. Reason : .]

7/13/2007 11:57:24 AM

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"situations he "survives" through"

so i guess that week he spent at the artic circle was your typical trip. i mean, it wasnt like he was there during the worst time of the year....[between winter and spring is the most dangerous time to be on the ice] OH WAIT...HE WAS

i mean, he did have seal blubber to eat [where as Bear would have killed a polar bear with his bear hands and he was only traveling through one of the most densly populated regions for polar bears [during mating season mind you]

i mean, I am an Eagle Scout also [so dont try to pull that shit with me]. I've been on several wilderness survival camping trips with no tents and minimal water / food. no matches to start fires and no rope or twine to build shelter

7/13/2007 11:58:31 AM

and dont get me wrong...i enjoy the hell out of Bears show and im pumped to watch it tonight

but i just prefer to watch Les b/c he teaches you more....

I compare Bear to Chuck Amato with all that flash and his accent gets on my nerves...other than that its a good show

7/13/2007 12:00:25 PM

both shows are entertaining however i prefer survivorman because he does things without the crew and without all the unneeded flare that bear does it with

7/13/2007 12:08:58 PM

7/13/2007 12:21:06 PM

He's mentioned in several episodes that the camera crew is not allowed to interact with or aid him in any way unless he is at the absolute brink of collapse.

Im inclined to believe it, since in this one episode, he catches a fish and takes a huge bite out of it, still wriggling, without camera cuts. He swallows and continues talking normally for a while before the camera cuts away.

7/13/2007 12:23:15 PM

doesnt matter, he is not ALONE

he doesnt have to worry about surviving and filming as Les does

imagine everything Les could accomplish if he had a camera crew

7/13/2007 12:24:05 PM

good arguments on both sides

but I just watch it to be entertained... and MvW entertains me more than surv.


^I'm 75% sure I read that MvW has done a few of his shows by himself, setting the camera up alone etc.

not all the time though... both of them are badass

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2007 12:24:36 PM

i will admit

i wanna punch the tv evertytime bear says glassiers

ITS GLACIERS YOU FUCKIN COCKAMAMIE BRIT



[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 12:26 PM. Reason : ^exactly, thats why i like it better too]

7/13/2007 12:26:32 PM

i <3 Man vs. Wild

7/13/2007 12:32:38 PM

I like both shows, but Bear gets on my nerves sometimes. He seems like kind of a ham, a pretty-boy version of Grizzly Adams.

7/13/2007 12:49:50 PM

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"i wanna punch the tv evertytime bear says glassiers"

its Vitamin with me....he says VitMen and i hate it

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"^I'm 75% sure I read that MvW has done a few of his shows by himself, setting the camera up alone etc"

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" The format of this show is similar to that of Survivorman, with the exception being that Survivorman is recorded by the host, while Grylls travels with a two-man camera crew during daylight. Grylls contends that the crew is "under very strict instructions not to get involved or help" unless he is in a fatal situation.[2] "

7/13/2007 12:58:15 PM

yeah if Les bites it, it'll be while he's actually trying to survive.
When "bear" bites it, it'll be because he was doing something out of "Point Break 2: Wilderness Break"

it also bothers me that no matter where they drop him off, bear appears to know more about the local plant and wild-life than a biologist. i.e: off screen he just googles "bumfuck outlands" and gets to look like he just happened to know every aspect of anything in the area by name and appearance.

but as long as we're talking about people who risk their asses with nature, NOBODY is as fucking stupid about it as that "Snake Master" guy. There's a difference between being brave and having "no fear".
That austin guy couldn't react rationally when confronted with danger if it fell out of the sky, landed in his lap and started to wiggle. I don't think he's even trying to be "daring", he's just a very experienced stupid dim-wit that thinks it's hunky-dory to hold a taipan by the mid-section while he fills out his golf score-card

7/13/2007 1:31:33 PM

entertainment people... entertainment

7/13/2007 1:53:52 PM

bear is going to attempt to be the first man ever to fly over the summit of everest in a powered paraglider soon

7/13/2007 2:45:40 PM

that and mossies or mosskeetos

7/13/2007 2:47:41 PM

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" will admit i wanna punch the tv evertytime bear says glassiers ITS GLACIERS YOU FUCKIN COCKAMAMIE BRIT "

I don't know where abouts in the homeland he is from. But I pronounce it GLA-SEE-ER, the way he pronounces it annoys the hell out of me too.

7/13/2007 2:52:11 PM

bear has nice bolg to read as does les

i've posted Les' blog up top and here is Bear's: http://beargrylls.blogspot.com/

7/13/2007 2:53:17 PM

I love Bear and Les, but did you see the episode of MvW a few weeks ago where he talked about the show being so hard to do because he is alone out in the wilderness by himself and the lack of human contact is draning.. HELLO! There is a fucking camera man/crew following you. That part just really got on my nerves, even though I love the show.

7/13/2007 4:49:38 PM

but he's talking to the camera, not the camera man.

I can understand what he is saying...for the credibility of the show, I am sure they dont just stop recording and whip out a 12 pack and some playing cards. I love the show...my wife and I have the DVR set for tonight at 9:00pm

7/13/2007 4:54:07 PM

I think we might be onto the newest nerdrage craze here.
ANYTHING but the tired "magician" debate with those two prancing faggots cris angel and that other swarthy fellow (also a faggot)

7/13/2007 5:38:59 PM

^^But he isn't alone, which is what he is bitching about. There is someone with him!

7/13/2007 6:01:57 PM

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"bear is going to attempt to be the first man ever to fly over the summit of everest in a powered paraglider soon"

Um, he's already done it. He said it was scary as shit.

7/13/2007 8:58:41 PM