I would have spent that money on groceries and gas

8/18/2007 10:14:03 AM

my mom bought herself a DS heh.

8/18/2007 10:19:15 AM

Just my personal take.....I own a Wii, and although it finds use when i have people over all the time with like warioware, rayman, stuff like that....it otherwise sits around and collects dust.

I liked zelda and RE4 port over to the controls (really works awesomely), there isnt shit out there. It really sucks, I was expecting all these original games, didnt care about graphics expressively, just fun unique IPs and stuff but it's been like drought city. Just minigame bullshit.

So yeah, although I think I've paid 3/4 of its price off in group fun, it's still a very barren landscape out there for it. Mario Galaxy and MP3 are a damn nice start, but it needs more fuel consistently. Let's hope it gets it.

8/18/2007 10:19:35 AM

Don't worry Kainen, when Samurai Waggle Warrior 32X comes out , it's going to revolutionize gaming as we know it!!!!!

8/18/2007 10:24:52 AM

yeah i was kinda disappointed. i only own wii sports current, which i played a good amount but teetered off. i was hoping paper mario would fill a slot, but it didnt so my wii sits in the other room most of the time. i now use it just for party fun and 90% of my gamefly rentals are for the 360.

that said, my other complaint is that my TV position makes it hard to play the wii in my living room. i have a 37" lcd mounted above my fireplace at a 15 degree angle. no matter how i position the sensor bar, it just doesnt register like you would hope it to, making games that require a lot of precision difficult. even warioware was difficult at times. kinda sux in a situation like that so it is in my other room on the 27" crt.

8/18/2007 10:25:15 AM

i'm really enjoying strikers charged, and there's actually a pretty long list of games comin out that i'm lookin forward to. whether they'll end up bein good or not remains to be seen, but i think the games that have been in production since the initial success are finally startin to make their way to the market. i think by this time next year, i'll have several games to choose from on a boring day instead of just strikers or wii sports.

i too am not a fan of the mini games, and its too easy of an out for a lot of company's just to make a game to use the controls rather than make a game that implements the controls into a real story. i think a lot of companies did this off the bat just to capitalize and get somethin out there, but as time passes, they'll start to put together a full game.

games i'm lookin forward to:

metroid prime 3
super smash brothers brawl
mario galaxy
nba live 08
battalion wars 2
guitar hero 3
wii fitness (jury's still out on this one, but it could be good. if nothing else, the balance pad opens itself up to some pretty cool possibilities. skateboarding or skiing games could be very cool)
there's a few rpg's and on-rail shooter games comin out that i cant remember by name that sound promising as well.

oh, and medal of honor: heroes 2.......i think thats the name of it. supposed to feature 32 player online matches, no friend codes required.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 10:52 AM. Reason : .]

8/18/2007 10:49:54 AM

i would try strikers, but the first one just didnt do it for me. soccer games are pretty hit or miss, though i imagine it is fun with other ppl.

8/18/2007 11:10:14 AM

Nintendo + beer

8/18/2007 11:10:36 AM

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"Let's see, so far 0 of you would have bought Wii had it cost more. Hmmmm......"

It was a stupid fucking question to begin with. If the Wii had cost more Nintendo would have to justify it with better technology (graphics) and features in the system.

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"I keep pointing out E3 and how there was almost 0 announcements of 3rd party games for the Wii, yet the only response I've gotten is "look at Metroid Prime 3!!!"."

If you were paying attention, I mentioned that several publishers announced their shifting more of their focus towards the Wii AND that regardless of graphics, publishers steer toward the system selling the most.

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/07/27/wii-success-took-ea-by-surprise/
EA admits that they were wrong to focus on PS3 and 360.

http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2007/06/01/activision-tries-to-one-up-ubisoft-at-being-sorry/
Activision admits they will be putting more effort into Wii titles, essentially making them a bigger priority.

Rockstar Games is also developing for the Wii, when they completely ignored the Gamecube.

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"no developer is going to risk shifting their focus to a fad that people might not care about in 2 years when the 360, PS3, and PC are sure things."

LOL, sure things? Calling the PS3 a sure thing is like calling Baghdad a thriving metropolis. And nothing's a sure thing in video games. A good game can be released on any system and sell like crap and at this point a release on the 360 or PS3 poses a MUCH higher risk because those systems cost more to develop.

Looking at the release date list at IGN

http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html

There are on average 3-4 games hitting the system every week from now until December, spanning everything including FPS, racing, sports, RPGs, action, and, yes, party games.

8/18/2007 11:35:22 AM

oh yea, add nitrobike to my list up there. could be pretty good

8/18/2007 11:58:06 AM

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"I just think it's hilarious that people think "legions" of hardcore teenage and young adult gamers are going to perpetually drive the video game market towards the PS3 and 360 given the success of the Wii, the losses incurred by MS and Sony, and the apathy by the general public towards HD. "

8/18/2007 12:12:43 PM

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"and the apathy by the general public towards HD"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

kind of like the general apathy towards CD's in the mid 80's?

fucking retard

8/18/2007 12:34:45 PM

Honestly, fuck HD for another couple years. Yes it looks damn pretty now, but until the majority of tv stations start showing stuff in HD then theres really no point. I don't like watching normal tv on hdtvs.

8/18/2007 12:36:52 PM

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"AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA kind of like the general apathy towards CD's in the mid 80's? fucking retard"

Yes, you can see a similiar trend.

The problem being, we're still in the apathy stage.

Are you a complete fucking dip shit?

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 12:47 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2007 12:47:09 PM

I think almost everything I watch on TV these days is in HD.

8/18/2007 12:48:58 PM

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"It was a stupid fucking question to begin with. If the Wii had cost more Nintendo would have to justify it with better technology (graphics) and features in the system."

No, it wasn't a stupid question. It proves that the only reason that the Wii has sold as many as it has so far was because of it's price. 11 million people have had no problem buying a 360 at $400, do you really think 11 million people would have bought a $400 Wii. Or even a $300 Wii? All it's done so far is capitalize on a very attractive price point.

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"If you were paying attention, I mentioned that several publishers announced their shifting more of their focus towards the Wii AND that regardless of graphics, publishers steer toward the system selling the most."

And if you'd been paying attention the gaming industry for past, oh, 20 YEARS, you'd know that game developers are notrious LIARS. They can say anything they want, hint to whatever else, and never deliver on it. That's what happening with the Wii. Developers are saying they are gonna focus on Wii games, but so far all I've seen is low budget garbage that is meant to do nothing else but cash in on a fad. Let me know when that changes.

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"LOL, sure things? Calling the PS3 a sure thing is like calling Baghdad a thriving metropolis. And nothing's a sure thing in video games. A good game can be released on any system and sell like crap and at this point a release on the 360 or PS3 poses a MUCH higher risk because those systems cost more to develop."

Christ you're retarded. It's like I'm making this stuff up. There are dozens if not hundreds of games already well in development for the 360, PS3, and PC, for the next 2-4 years. You know why? Because that's where the most loyal market of gamers are. These are the games that they know will sell, no matter what, because that's where the most rabid fans are. No company is going to switch focus, and start dumping millions of dollars into developing games for something that people could lose interest in overnight. No huge game studio is going to tell their lifeblood of hardcore gamers to go fuck themselves and depend on "casual gaming" to sustain them.

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"There are on average 3-4 games hitting the system every week from now until December, spanning everything including FPS, racing, sports, RPGs, action, and, yes, party games."

And unfortunately, they ALL look about as good as the aforementioned Samurai Waggle Battle, except for the scant handful of first party titles.

^^^HD will have a household penetration of 50% by the end of these year. That means, 50% of all people who own a TV, will have an HDTV. You'd be a fucking idiot to think that isn't significant to gaming.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 12:57 PM. Reason : :]

8/18/2007 12:51:52 PM

Because it sure dominated their minds in regards to console sales.

If you believe 50% of homes in america have an HDTV, YOURE FUCKING CRAZY.

8/18/2007 12:58:10 PM

Major Third party games to be released by christmas:
Blitz: The League
MySims (I fucking hate the sims, but theres a fucking huge market that loves it)
Dewy's Adventure
Tigerwoods PGA 08
Mercury Meltdown
Bleach
Zack and Wiki
GH 3
Geometry Wars
Lego Star Wars the complete saga (complete with lightsaber waggle )
NiGHTs
Nitrobike
Rayman Raving Rabids
RE: Umbrella Chronicles
Soul Caliber
Trauma Center
Table Tennis
Star Trek: Conquest

yup, all those seem like stupid waggle games which no one will care about.

8/18/2007 1:01:17 PM

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"That means, 50% of all people who own a TV, will have an HDTV."

You sure you didnt mean to type

That means, 50% of all people TVs purchased who own will be an HDTV . , will have an HDTV.

You realize there is a distinct difference correct?

8/18/2007 1:02:58 PM

http://marketnews.ca/news_detail.asp?nid=3012
http://www.dealerscope.com/story/story.bsp?sid=70232&var=story

48% in Canda, 36% in the USA. Not 50% but give it another year. It's still very significant.

^^Uhm, go look up all those games. They are all normal old games with PS2/Gamecube graphics + waggle. So yes, that's all they are.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 1:05 PM. Reason : :]

8/18/2007 1:04:03 PM

Shrike, you have Sony so far up your ass you are gagging.

You got burned by esgargs. That deserves a big el oh el.

You keep asking what Wii owners would have bought the Wii if it was $400. The real question is how many of us would have bought the XBox 360 if it was $250. Not I.

And in terms of HDTV . . . Best Buy just took down all the non-HDTVs from their stock. In 2-5 years it will be standard. Until then, it is a limited market.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2007 1:05:58 PM

I think it's safe to say that the people who can afford consoles and games are the people who can afford HDTVs. So the point is moot.

I'd even say that about 80-90% of 360 owners are also HDTV owners. The number is definitely higher for PS3 owners simply because you have to be a rich retard to buy a PS3.

8/18/2007 1:06:19 PM

^^That's funny, seeing as how I've mentioned Sony once in this entire thread. It's not my fault the #1 thing Wii onwers can say is "LOL, it's outselling the PS3!!!!". And how did I get burned by some moron who spent $800 on a party games?

8/18/2007 1:08:42 PM

Quinn's reason not to buy an hdtv percentage:

turn on your set top box

Count the number of standard definition channels

Count the number of higher definition channels

Apply this formula [(standard def)/(higher def + standard def) ] *100

That is how much of what you pay for monthly, looks worse.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 1:09 PM. Reason : patent pending revelation]

8/18/2007 1:09:06 PM

$800?

Are you like hell bent on proving yourself to be a total retard?

And, no...The PS3 sucks for more reasons than 10. The Wii's success has nothing to do with the PS3, although Sony did try to copy and got burned.

8/18/2007 1:10:24 PM

So now you're saying that developers are liars, but special interest groups, they're completely on the level.

8/18/2007 1:10:40 PM

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"The PS3 sucks for more reasons than 10"

The PS3 doesnt really suck.

Its price is lowering, you will get more for the same amount of money as someone 3+ months ago, and you havnt missed out on a single thing. I would argue the media playback on it is subpar, but its only been out for 3/4 of a year. You cant expect them to get mp3 playback right on the first go round.

So maybe 4 reasons but certainly not 10

8/18/2007 1:21:32 PM

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" Major Third party games to be released by christmas: Blitz: The League MySims (I fucking hate the sims, but theres a fucking huge market that loves it) Dewy's Adventure Tigerwoods PGA 08 Mercury Meltdown Bleach Zack and Wiki GH 3 Geometry Wars Lego Star Wars the complete saga (complete with lightsaber waggle ) NiGHTs Nitrobike Rayman Raving Rabids RE: Umbrella Chronicles Soul Caliber Trauma Center Table Tennis Star Trek: Conquest"

oh yea i forgot about table tennis. if they can do that with some 1:1 motions, it'll be awesome. that brunswick bowling game could be fun, but i've read some negative reviews.

tell me more of this star trek game.....and whats bleach?

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2007 1:25:11 PM

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"I keep pointing out E3 and how there was almost 0 announcements of 3rd party games for the Wii"

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"Games take 2 years to develop these days"

These two quotes were in the same paragraph in the same post. Self-pwnt?

8/18/2007 1:52:16 PM

^^ Bleach is some kinda anime shit that some of my friends are excited about, I don't really care. Not much has been said about the Star Trek game yet, but I have hopes.

8/18/2007 1:56:39 PM

^^ Not really, you can show games at e3 before they are finished.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 2:15 PM. Reason : Plus the fact that the ps3 hasn't been out any longer, and had impressive 3rd party games]

8/18/2007 2:15:16 PM

^
Touche.

8/18/2007 2:17:39 PM

A lot of stuff will be shown at Leipzig as well as E4ALL this year

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 2:24 PM. Reason : a]

8/18/2007 2:20:39 PM

^^^The shift in focus happened in the last few months though.

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"No, it wasn't a stupid question. It proves that the only reason that the Wii has sold as many as it has so far was because of it's price. 11 million people have had no problem buying a 360 at $400, do you really think 11 million people would have bought a $400 Wii. Or even a $300 Wii? All it's done so far is capitalize on a very attractive price point."

Price is one of several factors in the success of the Wii. You still haven't refuted the fact that the PS2 has a much more attractive library and a much better price point.

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"Christ you're retarded."

Oh really? You're the one making claims and not backing them up.

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"I keep pointing out E3 and how there was almost 0 announcements of 3rd party games for the Wii"

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"Games take 2 years to develop these days"

Props to Pupils Dil8t. I posted stories of developers switching gears (meaning it's going to be 1-2 years before we start really seeing good results) and the best you can come up with is "developers are liars"? Get real.

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"No huge game studio is going to tell their lifeblood of hardcore gamers to go fuck themselves and depend on "casual gaming" to sustain them."

How far up your ass did you have to reach to pull that out? Companies are passionate about one thing: making money. If that means dissing the hardcore crowd (or more likely, dividing their attention between them and the 'casual' crowd), so be it.

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"unfortunately, they ALL look about as good as the aforementioned Samurai Waggle Battle, except for the scant handful of first party titles."

I think several of them look fucking great (as in fun, not graphical powerhouses). If you'd actually look at the list, there are plenty of gems on the way.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2007 2:26:49 PM

Blah blah blah, whatever dude. I'm not the one saying that Nintendo has somehow ushered in some massive revolution in game design that will cause game developers to focus on cheap gimmicks from here on in, and not back it up with anything. I've pointed out that every game thus far and upcoming from Wii, short of 1st party, are extremely weak and unimpressive. Again, not my opinion, but the opinion of the overwhelming majority of the gaming community.

I've pointed out that nothing impressive have been shown from 3rd party developers thus far, and nothing has thus far even been announced. You counter with "But they said they are going too!!!!!". I could care less what they say. Show me screenshots, show me videos, show me gameplay demos, just like the vast number of extremely impressive showings for 360, PS3, and PC games coming in the next 2 years. Resident Evil 5 is still 2 years away, yet we have some very impressive video evidence of it's progress.

All you've done so far is point to sales figures and think that means anything. You know, Pokemon and The Sims have been the best selling games for the past 5-10 years. I don't see developers abandoning all other forms of gaming to focus strictly on shit like that.

Finally, you act like I somehow hate Nintendo. I LOVE Nintendo. Zelda is probably my favorite franchise of all time. I bought a Wii before any of the next gen consoles so I get could play Twilight Princess. Hell, I bought it twice, so I could play it on my Gamecube before I got my hands on a Wii. My only gripe is this insane line of thought that the Wii has somehow changed everything and game developers are going to completely focus all their efforts on creating games for a console with antiquated hardware, all the while, abandoning their hardcore base that has supported them for the past 20 years. I have seen nothing to that effect, and until I do, the Wii will be nothing more than a cheap fad.

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"You still haven't refuted the fact that the PS2 has a much more attractive library and a much better price point."

What is there to refute? The PS2 has sold over 100 million units and is still selling stronger than the PS3 and 360. What more do you want from a 7 year old console? Are you really that thick?

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 2:56 PM. Reason : :]

8/18/2007 2:53:50 PM

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"I've pointed out that nothing impressive have been shown from 3rd party developers thus far, and nothing has thus far even been announced."

And you are wrong. Check out Zack and Wiki. It sounds like Kings Quest + Myst + Motion Controls. I can't wait to see a real demo of it.

8/18/2007 3:07:30 PM

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"No, the entire reason they bought the system was because it was cheap. Now they are all sitting around with the damn thing collecting dust in their living room as they've all gotten tired of waggle and mini-games"

I would have agreed with you up until a few weeks ago when strikers came out. After I went through Twilight Princess all the way, I got a few other games like Warioware and Paper Mario and they were good for a week or so but got kind of old. But since I have gotten strikers, I have spent A LOT of time playing it online. Pretty much any idle time here at home where I would have been watching TV or goofing around on the internet, I have just been playing strikers online. If more games come out like this over the next year or so it is gonna be a lot more appealing.

And don't forget to add Manhunt 2 to that list of upcoming games.

8/18/2007 3:13:28 PM

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"Again, not my opinion, but the opinion of the overwhelming majority of the gaming community."

you'd think the 'overwhelming majority' would have more than one person here bashing the wii for no reason.

8/18/2007 3:19:13 PM

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"I'm not the one saying that Nintendo has somehow ushered in some massive revolution in game design that will cause game developers to focus on cheap gimmicks from here on in, and not back it up with anything."

I NEVER SAID THAT you fucking idiot. I said that the Wii is capable of every type of gameplay the 360 and PS3 are because it supports every type of input those systems have PLUS using the Wiimot. You're asserting that companies will never get a handle on the controls beyond "waggle", I'm merely saying it's a little premature to be say that definitely.

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"I've pointed out that every game thus far and upcoming from Wii, short of 1st party, are extremely weak and unimpressive. Again, not my opinion, but the opinion of the overwhelming majority of the gaming community."

False. 3rd party hits are few and far between, but Godfather (yeah, it's a port, but a nicely done one), Rayman, and Scarface were all pretty well received. A long list of anticipated 3rd party games coming this fall has already been posted. Manhunt 2's use of the Wiimote was celebrated before the AO-only rating.

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"My only gripe is this insane line of thought that the Wii has somehow changed everything and game developers are going to completely focus all their efforts on creating games for a console with antiquated hardware, all the while, abandoning their hardcore base that has supported them for the past 20 years."

I have never made that claim.

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"you act like I somehow hate Nintendo."

No I don't. I see you making a bunch of specious arguments about how the Wii is going to fail when it's flying off the shelves nine months after release. It didn't invent motion controls. It's not revolutionary. It's not going stomp the 360 and PS3 into the ground.

But it has been selling as fast as the Big N can make them. And consequently a lot of developers have been going back, looking at the public's response, and re-examining their priorities. Sales mean something because the industry is driven by money.

8/18/2007 3:20:58 PM

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"My only gripe is this insane line of thought that the Wii has somehow changed everything and game developers are going to completely focus all their efforts on creating games for a console with antiquated hardware, all the while, abandoning their hardcore base that has supported them for the past 20 years."

1. I haven't seen anyone here say that.

2. the 'overwhelming majority' doesn't give a shit about "antiquated hardware". observe the ps2 still outselling every current gen console. also see the DS, which not only outsells the technically superior psp but also every other console excepting the ps2.

3. the "hardcore base" is not the driving force behind the games industry. joe madden is. joe madden owns the cheapest console that lets him buy madden every year and maybe buys an occasional halo/gta/shit movie tie-in every few months.

4. by and far, jow madden is going to buy the xbox360 this gen. it has a huge head start and the ps3's price is blocking it from everyone except the hardcore market

5. the 'casual market' is the target that nintendo is taking over. parents/grandparents/etc are buying wiis because they are relatively cheap and provide a unique experience. these people are going to want more casual games. they are now a significant part of the market. they aren't the main driving force, but yes, party games and wagglethons will be made more and more.

6. that said, the games that hardcore players want are still going to get made. yes, they will almost always be on the 360/ps3. the growing casual market won't unmake them any more than the last 12 years of joe maddens have

8/18/2007 3:35:13 PM

I still don't think the Wii is affecting the sales of the 360/ps3 that much. Serious gamers who would buy a 360 or ps3 are going to buy one, they will not buy a wii to replace one of those systems if they want to play the best games.

More people are going to buy The Sims than Fallout.
More people will watch American Idol than Futurama.
More people will listen to Nickelback than The Strokes
And more people will buy the Wii than the 360.

8/18/2007 4:05:22 PM

wtf is a serious gamer?

someone who just plays FPS all day and loves buying the same rehashes of Doom/Quake month after month?

I am confused.

8/18/2007 4:07:58 PM

because being popular is a sure sign of something sucking.

the internet Gaming, its serious buisness

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 4:09 PM. Reason : a]

8/18/2007 4:08:29 PM

I didn't say any of those things suck, but they are more directed at casual fans, and will thus sell more.

8/18/2007 4:12:55 PM

I dunno about you, but there's nothing casual about Mario or Matroid.

8/18/2007 4:27:42 PM

Out of curiosity...how many people on here can afford to be "serious gamers" and sink more than an hour a day on video games? I like long in-depth games like Zelda, but often I'd rather just get in about 30 minutes on something casual like mario kart, strikers, etc

8/18/2007 4:29:34 PM

I often play Gears of War for 15 mins...does that make it a 'casual' game?

8/18/2007 4:30:25 PM

A casual game is something that girls like.

normal girls, who suck at real games.

8/18/2007 4:32:31 PM

I'm serious, whats the difference between a casual game and a serious game

8/18/2007 4:34:28 PM

I think that summed it up pretty well. A casual game is a game that someone who usually wouldn't enjoy or be any good at games would enjoy. Pick a random girl and give her a choice between Gears of War or Mario Party 45, which is she going to choose?

Not to say casual games suck, many are very good, or all hardcore games are good, but they are marketed to different people. You can't fault Sony or MS for targeting that market, because although they are smaller, they buy more games and are more dedicated.

http://www.megagames.com/hardcoregamer.html

8/18/2007 4:44:35 PM