Good for you. The point was not to turn this into a personal preference argument. It's about what devices have the current market momentum.

8/25/2007 10:28:43 PM

actually its about the zunephone....hence why i said go read the console war thread

8/26/2007 2:31:02 AM

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"Nintendo is owning the XBox"

Bullshit. The total console sales are less than 1% apart, and if the japanese weren't a bunch of xenophobes then 360 would be blowing away the competition (they have a 60% lead on Wii in the US and a 17% lead everywhere else). Also, 360 has more games and accessories sold than wii and ps3 combine in just the time since both launched. You are simply wrong on this.

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"Pocket PC sucks balls and hurts eyes."

Have you even seen a Windows Mobile 5 or Windows Mobile 6 device?

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"Did you hear how much of a success Vista have been?"

Yes, it is very successful. Anyone telling you otherwise is spouting pure bullshit.

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"Or did you hear that Apple's laptop market share is more than 15% now...consider now that they make money on hardware as well as software."

First off, those increases are significantly helped by Apple finally allowing dual boot to Windows possible. Secondly, Ross Perot received 19% of the popular vote in the presidential election... they should be proud. Third, consider that Microsoft makes money on the OS, Office, and the servers.

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"Quote : "Windows Mobile Smartphones are doing pretty well..." Early market entry, no viable alternative until now. Nintendo is owning the XBox iPod is owning the Zune"

Wait, so you discredit Microsoft's success with Windows Mobile by saying it was early market dominance when there was little alternative, but then do a complete 180 when it comes to talking about mp3 players? Shouldn't you discredit Apple's iPod success over the Zune and others by the same basis?
The Zune is holding its own. They have met their goal of 1 million sold in the first fiscal year and has 10% of the hard-disk mp3 player market (the majority of iPod sales are going to be the smaller flash drives so it makes sense the Zune is doing well in its "relative market").

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"until you start listening to music or using its wifi."

Have you ever actually used one? I own one and it is stellar. In fact, my wife keeps saying she's buying a Zune next because her Nano drives her fucking crazy (the wheel is unresponsive and it never wants to do whatt she wants it to).

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"Fact of the matter us that the wii us outselling the xbox even in the US."

4.24M Wii's in the US, 6.75M 360's... oh and don't forget accessories and games.

8/26/2007 2:35:56 AM

I love fanboys

Why are you comparing the total sales? Didn't someone tell you that the 360 was released more than a year before the Wii was? Even then, I guess all the analysts are BSing when they say that the Wii US sales are going to overtake 360 sales in a week or so.

I don't care why Nintendo is winning...I don't care if the Japanese are faggots. You have fun with that. I just know that the Wii is kicking major ass and that the 360 is selling almost as well as the PS3, which is pathetic. I have both, so I have no reason to be a retarded fanboi.

Yes, I have used Windows mobile. Feel free to enlighten me by posting screenshots of it along with those of the iPhone. Heck, feel free to compare Vista's interface with that of OSX Tiger (I am not even talking about Leopard atm).

If Vista is so successful, why is every company boycotting it? Why did Dell start selling XP again? Why did Microsoft extend the lifecycle of XP? Why can't Microsoft get 64 bit right? Heck, even Tiger is 64 bit, and Leopard aims to be 100% 64 bit.

Again, have fun analyzing why Apple laptop sales are increasing. Every macbook sold has OSX pre-installed on it. If Microsoft didn't care about virtualization on macs, then why did it restrict the Vista license? Why did it promise to reconsider it, but then ate its own words? Apple is worth more than HP now, and that's telling.

So your wife can't get the Nano to work? I mean I must be really lucky if my wheel works like it should and if I could get it to do what I want to...which is play music. In any case, null and void argument because it is unsupported by facts and case studies.

You people talk about games and accessories. What accessories? 10 controllers? Games I can agree...but Nintendo makes more money on games than anyone else. Besides, what's that got to do with CONSOLE SALES? Wait, isn't Microsoft still losing money despite nickel and diming the gamers with the marketplace and selling groundbreaking accessories and games?

8/26/2007 1:49:23 PM

to be fair, ill answer your question as to which accessories ppl might buy. play and charge kits, wireless adapters, controllers, keyboard for the controller (soon), extra headsets, wheels or flight sticks, bigger hard drive, hd-dvd player, memory cards, vision camera, vga cable, media remotes, and im sure others. notice i didnt include faceplates and bags and the like.

8/26/2007 2:00:33 PM

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"play and charge kits, wireless adapters, controllers, keyboard for the controller (soon), extra headsets, wheels or flight sticks, bigger hard drive, hd-dvd player, memory cards, vision camera, vga cable, media remotes, and im sure others. notice i didnt include faceplates and bags and the like."

Wii has all those accessories, too. I just don't get the point.

8/26/2007 2:03:03 PM

his point was that the xbox has a higher accessory sales rate. that was the point. they are selling those things well.

8/26/2007 2:04:23 PM

Most of those accessories are third party.

Where is Microsoft making the money?

Same case with the Wii.

8/26/2007 2:05:54 PM

total console sales as of may
Xbox 360: 5.6 million
Nintendo Wii: 2.8 million
PlayStation 3: 1.4 million

8/26/2007 2:08:38 PM

fuck you and your biased numbers.

If you're talking about profits and accessories and all that crap, you obviously don't care about regionalization.

360 is selling in more countries than the PS3 or the Wii. I can goto Indian and buy a 360 today, while even the Gamecube isn't available there. So fuck you. I'll count the total console sales. Not Nintendo's fault that Microsoft couldn't get blue dragon right.

8/26/2007 2:11:05 PM

Total sales.

Now,

Wii: 425K
DS: 405K
PS2: 222K
PSP: 214K
360: 170K
PS3: 159K
GBA: 87K

NPD sales data for July 2007.

These are US sales

8/26/2007 2:16:34 PM

I said sales RATES, not total sales to date. That's because I'm not going to be a moron and ignore the fact that the 360 had over a year headstart.

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"Wait, so you discredit Microsoft's success with Windows Mobile by saying it was early market dominance when there was little alternative, but then do a complete 180 when it comes to talking about mp3 players? Shouldn't you discredit Apple's iPod success over the Zune and others by the same basis?"

Not exactly. If the Zune was gaining significant ground on the iPod or had the momentum of the iPhone in its respective market, you'd have yourself a valid point. Nearly every head-to-head comparison of the devices has picked the OLD iPod as the winner. This is to say nothing of the fact that Apple is going to unveil an updated line in a few days. Face it, the Zune is flaccid.

[Edited on August 26, 2007 at 2:49 PM. Reason : ]

8/26/2007 2:35:53 PM

It helps that the iPod 80GB version is less than half as thick and bulky as the Zune.

[Edited on August 26, 2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason : .]

8/26/2007 2:37:59 PM

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"I love fanboys"

That is some ironic shit right there.

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"I don't care if the Japanese are faggots."

Its an important note. The difference in sales in Japan have far more to do with xenophobia than with merit of the consoles. They will never choose a US product over a Japanese product.

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"Yes, I have used Windows mobile. Feel free to enlighten me by posting screenshots of it along with those of the iPhone. Heck, feel free to compare Vista's interface with that of OSX Tiger (I am not even talking about Leopard atm)."

First off, what good are screenshots? The visual appeal is completely subjective and you can emulate either interface method so it is pointless anyways. Just go look at a the Desktop screencap thread and you'll see that different types of users prefer vastly different styles and interface methods. You can't say yours is superior because you like the way it looks and still keep a straight face.

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"If Vista is so successful, why is every company boycotting it? Why did Dell start selling XP again? Why did Microsoft extend the lifecycle of XP? Why can't Microsoft get 64 bit right? Heck, even Tiger is 64 bit, and Leopard aims to be 100% 64 bit."

Companies aren't boycotting Vista. Corporate environments are always slow to adopt new OSes because its not an easy transition (for example, we are still using Windows 2000 at my work and just got XP test boxes this month... we have incompetent and scared managers). XP's lifecycle has been extended because its a killer OS that people love. People rarely want to initiate change if the status quo is working. This is the same struggle that Microsoft faced going from 98SE to XP. Still, Vista is exceeding sales expectations and has addressed the previous chief windows complaint of security. I run Windows Vista Ultimate x64 and have absolutely zero problems. No driver problems, no graphics problems, no security problems, no speed problems... its is the best OS I've ever seeb, far and away.

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"So your wife can't get the Nano to work? I mean I must be really lucky if my wheel works like it should and if I could get it to do what I want to...which is play music. In any case, null and void argument because it is unsupported by facts and case studies."

It keeps thinking that she is tapping the wheel when she is holding it down.. can't remember what specific functionalities are dealt with there but it drives here crazy... especially when trying to run. If you think people don't have problems with the iPod jogwheel then you are fooling yourself. The guy in the cuve next to me complains about it all the time. Says he likes the concept but there just needs to be a few buttons for smoother operation, especially from the pocket. My Zune plays great music and and the interface is great, I don't know why that is hard for you to believe.

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"You people talk about games and accessories. What accessories? 10 controllers? Games I can agree...but Nintendo makes more money on games than anyone else. Besides, what's that got to do with CONSOLE SALES? Wait, isn't Microsoft still losing money despite nickel and diming the gamers with the marketplace and selling groundbreaking accessories and games?"

Microsoft has greater accessory and game sales numbers and higher revenue numbers. Pretty much kills your point there. These numbers are important to console success because it shows active use, it shows people continue to enjoy the product enough to keep reinvesting in its products. I know you didn't just call out Microsoft for nickel and diming gamers... Nintendo is the King of extorting maximum money from its user base (GameBoy is a prime example and its not like VC is any cheaper than Live Arcade)

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"Wii has all those accessories, too. I just don't get the point."

The point is people aren't buying as many for the Wii as they are for the 360.

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"Most of those accessories are third party."

Not so, most are going to be official MS products (controllers, headsets, wireless, vision camera, etc.). I think its pretty safe to say that all the consoles sell the same proportion of third party accessories.

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"fuck you and your biased numbers. If you're talking about profits and accessories and all that crap, you obviously don't care about regionalization. 360 is selling in more countries than the PS3 or the Wii. I can goto Indian and buy a 360 today, while even the Gamecube isn't available there. So fuck you. I'll count the total console sales. Not Nintendo's fault that Microsoft couldn't get blue dragon right."

Wait, you just say we don't care about regionalization after saying that the xenophobic nature of japan is irrelevant? Make up your damn mind. Oh and Blue Dragon is made by Hironobu Sakaguchi, blame him. Eternal Sonata is MUCH better.

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" Wii: 4.24M 360: 6.75M Total sales. Now, Wii: 425K DS: 405K PS2: 222K PSP: 214K 360: 170K PS3: 159K GBA: 87K NPD sales data for July 2007. These are US sales 8/26/2007 2:16:34 PM"

You don't seem to understand a simple concept... if 6.75 million people already own a 360, they aren't going to be buying another one. Being out for a year earlier hurts the most recent monthly sales in that more people already have the console and therefore don't need to buy one. The 360 has sold 60% more than the Wii in this country and there is a finite market for this product... you can't expect the sales to never slow down as market saturation sets in.

FYI, here are the numbers for early August...

Platform	18-Aug	11-Aug
Wii		89,280	86,469	+4%
Xbox 360	59,118	52,484	+13%
PS3		47,928	41,499	+15%

8/26/2007 3:16:43 PM

Aha. Nice skew.

8/26/2007 3:18:20 PM

I'm sorry, does it only count if I stand in front of a white background and act act excessively pretentious?

8/26/2007 3:32:41 PM

It wouldn't hurt.

8/26/2007 3:42:40 PM

This is so off-topic, but I'll keep it going...

http://gameinfowire.com/news.asp?nid=10936

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"Nintendo Wii - the month's best-selling video game system in the United States Wii emerged as the month’s best-selling video game system of any type in the United States and achieved its highest weekly sales rates since December, despite pricing shifts in the industry, according to the independent NPD Group and internal Nintendo figures. Wii and Nintendo DS remained the two best-selling video game systems in the United States, with Nintendo hardware outselling all other systems – combined. But behind every great game platform are a lot of great games—and that’s certainly evident from Nintendo’s momentum: * Nintendo remained the top U.S. game publisher for the sixth consecutive month. * So far this year, Nintendo titles claim six of the industry’s top 10 best sellers, including the top three: Pokemon Diamond (overall No. 1) and Pokemon Pearl (No. 3) for Nintendo DS, and Wii Play (No. 2) for Wii. * Nintendo DS, with more than 300 titles available, has the largest game library for any current generation system. * Wii has added new titles (averaging nine per month since launch) at a faster rate than any other new home system. * Including an ever-increasing library of classic titles available for download on the Wii Shop Channel, American owners of Nintendo DS and Wii will have a combined selection of nearly 800 games to choose from by year end. * Nintendo expects momentum for both systems to continue, given the Aug. 20 launch of Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day for Nintendo DS and the upcoming Aug. 27 launch of the hugely anticipated Metroid Prime 3: Corruption for Wii. "

8/26/2007 3:45:16 PM

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"Nintendo titles claim six of the industry’s top 10 best sellers, including the top three: Pokemon Diamond (overall No. 1) and Pokemon Pearl (No. 3) for Nintendo DS, and Wii Play (No. 2) for Wii."

non of those games i would be caught dead playing let alone any serious gamers.

8/26/2007 5:28:55 PM

no one is denying that the DS is tearing psp a new asshole.

8/26/2007 5:42:11 PM

my wii is happy

8/26/2007 6:28:49 PM

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"non of those games i would be caught dead playing let alone any serious gamers."

You'll find more "serious gamers" playing Pokemon games than you will playing Bioshock or Forza or whatever else is popular these days.

8/26/2007 6:32:01 PM

i played pokemon once. it wasnt so bad, but i wouldnt play more than one of them.

8/26/2007 6:35:54 PM

^^i'm not into the whole little kids games.

8/26/2007 6:44:57 PM

That's great, except Pokemon is way too compicated much of a "little kid's game", despite what you may think you know about the property.

8/26/2007 7:07:09 PM

Stein, Stein, Stein...just cause you play pokemon doesn't mean little kids can't

8/26/2007 8:19:09 PM

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"You can't say yours is superior because you like the way it looks and still keep a straight face."

You'll eat your words when Microsoft copies iPhone just like it copied OSX. You will. Mark my words. No one on this planet will say that the archaic Windows Mobile interface is better than iPhone's. NO ONE!

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"Companies aren't boycotting Vista. XP's lifecycle has been extended because its a killer OS that people love"

haha bullshit. Dell has publically asked corporate customers NOT to migrate to Vista. And, Microsoft doesn't care about what people love. It's about profits, just like any other company out there. Windows 2k was killed the same way. If they want to force Vista down your throats, THEY WILL. And yes, Vista has been a failure. Heck, even Noen will tell you that.

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"I run Windows Vista Ultimate x64 and have absolutely zero problems. No driver problems, no graphics problems, no security problems, no speed problems... its is the best OS I've ever seeb, far and away."

I admit I haven't used it, but the net is full of driver signing/compatibility/general stability issues.

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"Microsoft has greater accessory and game sales numbers and higher revenue numbers."

Please quote these numbers. Microsoft is still running in the negative, though.

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"Nintendo is the King of extorting maximum money from its user base (GameBoy is a prime example and its not like VC is any cheaper than Live Arcade)"

Yeah, I just bought horse armor for $10 for my Mario RPG.

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"you just say we don't care about regionalization after saying that the xenophobic nature of japan is irrelevant?"

Yeah, how do you separate profits from US sales with sales in foreign territories? Post the numbers.

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"if 6.75 million people already own a 360, they aren't going to be buying another one. Being out for a year earlier hurts the most recent monthly sales in that more people already have the console and therefore don't need to buy one. The 360 has sold 60% more than the Wii in this country and there is a finite market for this product... you can't expect the sales to never slow down as market saturation sets in."

LMAO yeah 360's market is saturated. You are a funny one.

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"Platform 18-Aug 11-Aug Wii 89,280 86,469 +4% Xbox 360 59,118 52,484 +13% PS3 47,928 41,499 +15%"

Now, that's what I call an ass-kicking.

8/26/2007 9:12:21 PM

just wait till the Wii phase is over. they'll have nothing else to buy for it besides the console and a couple of games. Systems like the Xbox 360, once their console sale frenzy is over...it moves onto the accessories and games. To say that the 360 isn't very successful is to say the earth is flat.

8/26/2007 9:52:03 PM

No one said that.

And you keep talking about accessories. The webcam has been an utter failure...Just how many games have been out for it?

2 that I can count.

The HD DVD player has been pwned by BluRay.

8/26/2007 9:59:56 PM

This is getting stupid. Video was funny. Goodbye.

8/26/2007 10:13:56 PM

^^NOW it got stupid...

8/27/2007 12:23:15 AM

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"The HD DVD player has been pwned by BluRay."

whatever

anyone that thinks there's going to be a Wii phase is an idiot, they have solid games, in fact Madden'08 is just as popular on the Wii because of it's unique gameplay, and they haven't even BEGUN with the accessories for the Wii... just wait, the Wii is going to be like the ipod of video game consoles.

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 2:45 AM. Reason : .]

8/27/2007 2:44:02 AM

I mean, if you're gonna post July NPD numbers, at least post software sales.

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" 1. NCAA Football 08 (360) 397,000 2. Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s (PS2) 339,000 3. Wii Play - (Wii) 278,000 4. NCAA Football 08 - (PS2) 236,000 5. Mario Party 8 - (Wii) 177,000 6. NCAA Football 08 - (PS3) 156,000 7. Pokemon Diamond - (DS) 144,000 8. Transformers - (PS2) 143,000 9. Guitar Hero 2 - (PS2) 138,000 10. Guitar Hero 2 - (360) 108,000 "

Oops, that doesn't help your case though does it. Best selling Wii game is.........a Wiimote?

8/27/2007 7:37:05 AM

yep

it's just a Wiimote. And you're smart.

Also, momentary software sales has nothing to do with console sales. Madden 08 is multi-platform and the craze will last for a couple months. Consoles are staple diet.

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 7:41 AM. Reason : .]

8/27/2007 7:39:12 AM

Wow, are you dizzy from all that spin? Look, it's either a Wiimote, or a $10 game, neither is very helpful to your point. Do you really want to go up against the 360 for sales of $10 games?

3rd party developers aren't going to make games for the Wii if it isn't selling software, no matter how many hardware units are out there.

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 8:08 AM. Reason : d'oh]

8/27/2007 8:03:12 AM

Bestselling Xbox 360 games

Gears of War (4 million)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (3 million, includes PC release)
Call of Duty 2 (1.4 million)
Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (1.37 million)
Dead Rising (1.22 million)
Madden NFL 07 (1.1 million in US)
Perfect Dark Zero (1 million)
Saints Row (1 million)
Dead or Alive 4 (1 million)
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (1 million)

BestSelling Wii Games

Wii Sports (8.32 million) (packaged with system in all regions except Japan)
Wii Play (4.49 million)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (3.61 million)
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves (1.82 million)
Super Paper Mario (1.25 million)
Mario Party 8 (1.03 million)
Rayman Raving Rabbids (1 million)
Red Steel (1 million)
Total Wii games sold as of June 30, 2007: 44.82 million
Total Virtual Console games sold as of July 11, 2007: over 5.6 million

8/27/2007 8:05:05 AM

Wow, Twilight Princess couldn't outsell Gears of War? Surely one of the most storied franchises of all time should outsell an over hyped original IP from Epic. I knew it was bad, but that is embarrassing.

8/27/2007 8:39:09 AM

Yeah...wasn't Gears of War released in late 2006?

When was Twilight Princess released?

Didn't Bill Gates come out and advertise GoW as THE game that will catapult the 360 sales?

Yeah 400,000 is such a big number. I am sure Zelda will not sell more than GoW.

This is classic. Denial at its best.

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 8:45 AM. Reason : .]

8/27/2007 8:44:58 AM

You're obviously very good at using google.com, so surely you can discover on your own that Gears of War was released a whole 2 weeks before Twilight Princess.

Hell, I'm not the one posting games bundled with consoles and accessories as evidence of strong software sales. I tried to help you out by posting a monthly sales figure, in a month where the Wii dramatically outsold all consoles (even the DS), but you go ahead and post LTD sales where the Wii is getting summarily crushed in software sales. But thanks for playing.

8/27/2007 8:52:14 AM

this thread has gotten ridiculous.

8/27/2007 8:56:09 AM

Crushed?

LOL

Did you see the total sales? Only GoW is the 360 exclusive game that has sold as well as the Wii titles (not even counting the bundled games). Game sales over a week mean nothing. Look at the total sales. Then tell me the Wii is getting "crushed".

When you talk about console sales, it makes sense to consider momentary sales simply because of the huge delta between release times. Even if you consider total sales and divide it by number of months out, the Wii pwns any other consoles. I mean God, it just takes a brief review of various news sites and analyst reports to come to that conclusion.

8/27/2007 9:03:35 AM

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"The 20 best selling console games, not originally bundled. 1. Pokémon Red, Blue and Green (Game Boy - 20.08 million approximately, 10.23 million in Japan,[28] 9.85 million in US)[34] 2. Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES - 18 million)[25] 3. Nintendogs (DS - 14.79 million)[51] 4. Pokémon Gold and Silver (Game Boy - 14.51 million approximately, 7.6 million in US,[34] 6.91 million in Japan)[28] 5. Super Mario Land (Game Boy - 14 million)[25] 6. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2 - 13 million)[77] Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire (GBA - 13 million)[55] 8. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2 - 12 million)[78] 9. Super Mario 64 (N64 - 11 million)[28] Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2 - 11 million)[67] Grand Theft Auto III (PS2 - 11 million)[77] 12. Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen (GBA - 10.66 million)[47] 13. New Super Mario Bros. (DS - 10.52 million)[51] 14. Gran Turismo (PS1 - 10.5 million)[67] 15. Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS - 10 million)[58] Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES - 10 million)[25] 17. Final Fantasy VII (PS1 - 9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)[68] 18. Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day! (DS - 8.61 million)[51] 19. Gran Turismo 2 (PS1 - 8.5 million)[67] 20. Mario Kart 64 (N64 - 8.47 million approximately, 6.23 million in US,[36] 2.24 million in Japan)[28]"

Yeah, Nintendo has such a bad habit of getting crushed in software sales.

ROFL

I am done with this dude. Anyone else?

8/27/2007 9:07:17 AM

really WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK. why are you guys even arguing this lame as shit? the 360 offers the best experience overall, everyone knows that, and if you think otherwise you are only fooling yourself. who cares about pokemon or mario or smash brothers? i would not even think about playing such games, and any grown man that does it lame.

gargs just why do you feel the need to prove something to the internet. no one really cares.

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 9:09 AM. Reason : sdfg]

8/27/2007 9:08:35 AM

Good thing the gaming industry works on the basis of your preferences.

8/27/2007 9:09:54 AM

and it does. i buy what i want to buy, and not make a decision based on sales, or something lame like that or pokemon. could you imagine breaking out playing some pokemon? if so, wow.

8/27/2007 9:12:17 AM

I have never played it, but if it's fun why not?

It must be a good game if millions all over the world are playing it. I, personally, am tired of the same rehash of FPS games.

8/27/2007 9:14:17 AM

yeah, use the old rehashing argument. i would guess in real life that every sunday a football is a rehash of last week's games, right? but people love that shit, just as real shooter fans love new grounds to shoot on. i don't see why this concept is so hard to understand. anyway, if you stepped back, took a deep breath, and read this thread from a third person perspective, you would really see how lame you are and sound arguing this bullshit, and shut the fuck up. seriously, man give it a break. no body really cares.

[Edited on August 27, 2007 at 9:18 AM. Reason : asdfa]

8/27/2007 9:17:27 AM

"real shooter fans"

not all gamers fall into that category, as can clearly be evinced from software/hardware sales.

That said, Metroid Prime 3 just got a 9.5 from IGN.

8/27/2007 9:18:43 AM

I'm not exactly sure what total game sales since the original NES has to do with the Wii, but if it makes you feel like you've "won", good for you. It doesn't change the fact the Wii doesn't move software half as well as the 360. By your own list, it has half as many million+ selling games than the 360, and that's with almost negligible sales in the second largest gaming market in the world (Japan).

I'm wondering what you're going to say when Bioshock/Madden for the 360 top the sales charts for August/September. Or when Halo 3 rips everything apart in October (over 1 million pre-ordered already). Hell, look at that retarded list YOU posted. The most recent CONSOLE game from Nintendo on that list was on the Nintendo 64.

8/27/2007 9:20:02 AM

real shooter fans are going to get a 360 or a ps3, console-wise.

8/27/2007 9:20:21 AM