why do you give a shit

thats a shit post too

you're not adding anything

9/14/2007 6:12:31 PM

indeed i'm not. but when you say that you don't fuck up threads, this is definite evidence to the contrary.

9/14/2007 6:14:59 PM

Quote :

"people hated powell for years...now they're just like WHOOPS"

They? Who they? This is blanket statement that you have no real justification to make. If you're going to make the argument that ALL liberals were hating on Powell, and now ALL liberal love him, you better come up with an explanation better than "because I said so."

Extreme liberals hate everyone who promotes war. Extreme liberals are the ones you're referring to. Leave me and the rest of us reasonable liberals out of your pissing contest.

9/14/2007 6:25:52 PM

and to add some real opinion of my own here:
i certainly did hate on powell for lying to the UN. the iraq war is about the only thing i've faulted him on. if he had refused to say the things he did to the UN, we may very well be in a different place than we are with the war today, but I doubt it. anyhow, despite his testimony to the UN, he still has said things in this interview that i stand behind.

is his image tarnished by his testimony to the UN? sure
does it make me a hypocrite to still respect his opinion now? of course not

9/14/2007 6:35:14 PM

the main point i was getting at, and i apologize for making a blanket statement, was that people are so quick to judge a person in power...for good or for bad...and then something comes out and SOME PEOPLE (not all people) do a quick 180 as if they had never held the original opinion...this is simply one example of that and TSB is filled with hundreds of examples of it...lots of people say they want accountability if someone fucks up...well they should be accountable when something they've originally said turns out to be pretty much completely wrong...i'm not going to spend hours reading through other threads or posts about colin powell to find out who specifically said what, i figured most people would easily know what i meant

9/14/2007 6:40:40 PM

Hey pothead, don't hate the Arab, we don't have all the evidence yet to prove they were alone in the 9/11 attacks. Maybe this administration was behind the attacks after all....don't judge too soon.

[Edited on September 14, 2007 at 7:04 PM. Reason : o]

9/14/2007 7:03:42 PM

nice contribution and nice patented use of a pothead joke...james carvelle uses that method in his debates

9/14/2007 7:14:32 PM

This isn't chit chat. The thread is pretty much ruined anyway, but unless you have something substantive to say about the content of the interview, stop wasting everybody's time.

9/14/2007 8:06:58 PM

Quote :

"people are so quick to judge a person in power...for good or for bad...and then something comes out and SOME PEOPLE (not all people) do a quick 180 as if they had never held the original opinion [...] well they should be accountable when something they've originally said turns out to be pretty much completely wrong."

I assume I'm SOME PERSON

I hated on Powell for lying in front of the UN. Towing the line or not, it's still pretty eff'ed up to lie when making a case for war.

Now after Woodward's books and this interview, I can say that "It's pretty tragic how the Bush Administration purged itself of all rational thought."


How does that constitute a 180? He was a lying shill. Nothing changed that. I was just commenting on the fact that of all the lying shills in the Bush Administration, he at very least wasn't blinded by whack ideology.

9/14/2007 8:46:30 PM

You can't argue logically with TreeTwista. The best you can do is wait for him to pull an ad hominem attack, and the chalk the thread up for a loss and move along.

He'll come back to this thread and point to this post as somehow detrimental to this thread, and not adding anything (lack he did with sarijoul), like it somehow validates his douchebaggery.

Apparently, the only alternative is to not reply to him, or reply to him and kill the thread.

9/14/2007 9:07:10 PM

this is actually an important issue. lets try and get it back on track.

I'll address TreeTwista's comments.

regarding Twista's (and others?) assertions that "Liberals" somehow "hated" Powell as Sec of State....

I, for one, have always admired Powell since Gulf I. I thought he was an excellent general, an excellent Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and an excellent choice for Sec State.

It was very apparent, very early on, that Powell was at odds with the neocons in the Bush admin, notably Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, and Wolfowitz.

At any time, if/when I EVER believed ANYTHING that came out of the Bush administration, it was when it came out of Powell's mouth. it was his only due to his enormous credibility that the otherwise unconvincing case for war was made convincing.

At the time, i knew the rush to war was terribly ill-conceived, not to mention inherently immoral and illegal. I've been vocally against it before it started. But Powell's credibility actually made me take pause and consider, for a moment, that maybe it was neccessary.

when in hindsight, it quickly became apparent that the intelligence cited was cherry-picked and in some cases, dowrnright flawed, I was terribly disappointed.

I felt then, and still feel now, that Powell was either manipulated, deceived, or (as he tells it) just plain mistaken.

I have criticised the intelligence presented at the UN, but I have never critcised or otherwise "hated on" Colin Powell. And I dont ever recall seeing anyone here ever doing so, because if they had, i would have jumped on it in a second.

Powell will rightly go down in history as a true American statesman-general. I hope he gets/stays involved in American foriegn policy, at some level, for as long as he's able. He's a powerful leader, a brilliant mind, and truly decent person.

9/15/2007 12:21:07 AM

9/15/2007 2:02:52 AM

I don't see what great content Treetwista ruined here, I mean this first bunch of posts can be essentially summarized as I love Colin Powell isn't he the greatest, I'd have his baby if he asked...

Anyway the mainstream media has cast a favorable image of Colin Powell as long as I recall, its not that surprising that TWW at large generally thinks he's groovy.

9/15/2007 3:31:43 AM