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10/9/2007 8:39:12 PM

I just learned more than I wanted about hermaphrodites. haha



Did we touch a nerve??? Are you one?

10/9/2007 8:46:39 PM

I'm not. But I thought that was an interesting read nonetheless...

10/9/2007 8:59:32 PM

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"So perhaps its not the most appropriate joke to use"

i didn't notice you were new here until i read this post

10/9/2007 9:20:34 PM

the androgens DHT and testosterone improve muscle quality in addition to making them bigger, so men have stronger muscle fibers than women because of androgen prevalence. trying to claim there is no difference in strength capabilities between male and female muscles is absurd.

that being said, bench press strength is overrated. squats and deadlifts are a better measure of strength. i'd rather pull big than push big anyday.

10/9/2007 9:48:16 PM

i lift three times a week

I dont see any gains as far as real gains in going up in weight on the bench, everywhere else i see them

whats the deal?

5 sets of pyramid lift

10(lighter)135lbs
8
6
4
2(heavy)

10/9/2007 10:20:51 PM

have you been doing the same chest exercises for a while now?

if so, you need to change it up...

also, work on your stabilizer muscles.. you need to develop the front delts, etc. incorporate dumbbell flies, dumbbell incline bench, etc into your chest routine

10/9/2007 10:33:13 PM

i will do bench one day, then 48 hours later do incline flies and such

i mix it up, i shock them about every 2 weeks

10/9/2007 10:35:57 PM

fuck bench

how much do you deadlift?

10/9/2007 10:59:43 PM

aaprior is ridiculously, horribly mistaken here. neither science nor empirical evidence is even arguably on her side.

10/9/2007 11:19:19 PM

D-bol is a helluva drug

10/9/2007 11:35:21 PM

haha, yeah it is.

never touched it or any other steroid, but that stuff is something else (i'm sure there's way better stuff out nowadays, but still).

10/10/2007 1:48:50 AM

One of my friends used Muscle Milk with his workout plan and shed a reasonable amount of fat and put on a fair deal of muscle pretty quickly. How bad is this stuff for you?

10/10/2007 4:10:30 AM

muscle milk is fairly high in saturated fat, but otherwise it's just your standard protein supplement.

10/10/2007 9:05:26 AM

a little d-bol and test-e will get you going just fine JT3bucky

10/10/2007 9:07:52 AM

^^Whats the deal with that? I know they claim it comes in the form of MCT's or short chain glyceride's, but do they really benefit you?

10/10/2007 9:22:12 AM

I'm torn. Should I keep calling out her inane babble or just laugh at it?

10/10/2007 10:06:29 AM

how do most of the people in here train for the bench, squat, and deadlift? 1 rep max? 5x5? 10 rep max? something else? the gains you make are largely specific to the style of training you perform. a person that trains for max effort might be able to bench 405 but couldn't hit 225 for 10 reps. alternately, a person that can rep 315 10 times might struggle to max 405.

I don't know why muscle milk has the fat composition it does. I've always just written it off as overpriced.

10/10/2007 11:18:29 AM

do your bench 10X, then do 25 pushups. then get back on your bench 10X then try 25 more pushups.

U WiLL FeEL It

10/10/2007 11:23:58 AM

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"a person that can rep 315 10 times might struggle to max 405."

i'm more this guy, but on a 90 lb lower scale

I definitely prefer the endurance

10/10/2007 12:03:29 PM

bench for me is 5x5 (flat BB) followed by 3x10 DB Incline or some 2-board presses


deadlifts, since they are so taxing, usually go something like 8-5-5-3-2-5, with the last 5reps being the only work set

squats are usually 5x5 or something like 5-5-3-3-2 as well, depends on the day/my goal

something new I plan to try is to start with OH Squats, when it gets too heavy go to front squats, when that gets too heavy go to back squats

rep range and sets will obviously going to depend on a persons goal


and "the burn" is nothing but an indicator of lactic acid buildup



[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 12:11 PM. Reason : ]

10/10/2007 12:04:34 PM

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"I don't know why muscle milk has the fat composition it does. I've always just written it off as overpriced."

Muscle milk came about in the late 90's did it not? If you remember, at the time, there was not a lot of research in how our bodies uses fats. The big trend was canola oil--an mct.

While being an okish fat, we now know it makes no sense to consume these around workout times. The carb to protein ration is not that great either for a pwo shake. I'm not sure of the source of carbs to speculate on its form.


If i'm not mistaken, isn't there an ingredient in it, which creates creatine--but at the same time creates a neurotoxin?

10/10/2007 4:16:55 PM

The way I train uses one day of Max Effort Bench 1-5RM and one Day of Max Reps.

10/10/2007 4:49:04 PM

I'm with arcgreek here, deadlifts should be the golden standard of weight lifting, you are seriously testing so many different parts of your body (from the muscles in the tip of your wrists to the bottom of your hamstrings) and it's the most crude and practical test of strength but bench has so much more ego behind it
even myself I used to do them real seriously when I wasn't even that strong and be able to deadlift about a hundred poudns above my bench but I haven't done one with serious weight on a barbell in two years

10/10/2007 6:03:57 PM

My current plan mixes sets of 3, 5, 7, 9, and 11. I'm about to start an oly plan that will have look a bit like restricted's westside, or go to a plan using crossfit's wod preseded by some low rep oly lifting.

[Edited on October 10, 2007 at 6:13 PM. Reason : ]

10/10/2007 6:11:45 PM

http://ncst.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=33281740&id=11814980

10/10/2007 6:16:44 PM

wow give the girl some credit, she manages to actually get some visible amount of muscle to show off while still maintaining to look attractive

10/10/2007 8:26:27 PM

squats are a bigger ego lift for me than bench or deadlift, because you can determine how deep you take the bar instead of being limited by the floor or your chest. taking a set of heavy squats ass to grass is such a satisfying feeling, and the soreness you feel the next day lets you know you really did something.

10/10/2007 8:27:06 PM

I inspired myself to do a pyramid of serious barbell deadlifts tonight and forgot how seriously painful they were on your lower back

10/10/2007 8:28:51 PM

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"Believe it or not male and female muscles can be trained to the same RELATIVE capacity. My entire point is that females (weighing the same as the male in the example-- 115lbs) are capable of a 130lb lift and that the scale shouldn't be adjusted "just because" they are females. In any case, both males and females are capable of meeting the same relative strength scores."

You are wrong, at least according to the research I have read.

Research has shown that while most females (with training) can achieve with their legs 90% of what an equally sized man could achieve (identical muscle cross-sectional diameter), with their upper body they can typically only lift 50% of what an equally sized man could lift.

10/14/2007 12:00:06 AM

yes, by just generalizing muscle tissue you don't take into account differences such as fast twitch and slow twitch muscles. there are also hormonal differences to consider as well.

10/14/2007 12:04:33 AM

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"On a side note, 1 in 20,000 people are born with said condition which means that statistically there are probably a few of them that are members of this online community. So perhaps its not the most appropriate joke to use..."

haha, that's comedy

10/14/2007 1:02:36 AM

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"Females who train hard can achieve the same lean muscle mass vs. weight ratio as a man"

Yeah, and they also cease to have menses.

10/14/2007 4:12:58 PM

quick question:

whats the usual weight of the bar? i'm trying to calculate exactly where i am. i may have seriously miscalculated here.

11/17/2007 1:47:23 AM

45 lbs

11/17/2007 2:07:28 AM

So does this chick still think women are just smaller versions of men?

11/17/2007 3:34:59 AM

yeah, i'd like to see her made to look foolish a little more.

11/17/2007 7:00:52 AM

between her biceps and politics im relatively impressed. Who cares about her men/women strength argument. That's a really gay reason to be turned off by a girl.

The only downside is she appears to be a religious zealot.

11/17/2007 11:11:35 AM

wait a minute here....



Since when did they start putting weight benches in kitchens?



(/chit chat)

11/17/2007 6:14:20 PM

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"I meant in terms of strength "

doubtful, women's tendons do not have the overall strength of a man's nor the capacity to strengthen.

thus it's more likely for a woman to severely injure herself with bigger weights compared to a man.

a good example is one of the biochem teachers at state, she was a gymnast and her coach had her try the rings, she tore a few muscles badly enough to have to quit gymnastics forever.

11/17/2007 10:13:25 PM

i got to the dukes first post and stopped reading because it was good enough to not need to read the rest of the thread

hope that helps



aaprior btw

11/17/2007 10:15:40 PM

little slow there dnl

11/18/2007 1:07:02 AM

?

11/18/2007 1:14:11 AM

saw a guy at the gym the other day bench pressing 405 without a spot, thought it was completely rediculous

11/18/2007 3:58:49 PM