two pages of vista blows donkey balls

12/14/2007 12:23:25 PM

I like Vista.

12/14/2007 12:47:03 PM

i like efficiency...vista is anything but

12/14/2007 1:01:33 PM

efficient how?

12/14/2007 1:09:34 PM

massive resource hogging for no reason in particular?

i know it's been debated in a number of vista threads, but since i couldn't for the life of me keep vista from using more than 1gb of memory just being ON, i don't see that as efficient...especially since there was no performance increase and the only thing it has going for it is looks...maybe

12/14/2007 1:12:56 PM

I guess it's all in how you look at it.

I'd rather put that RAM to work whenever it's not needed by other programs.

[Edited on December 14, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : s]

12/14/2007 1:24:07 PM

ah, but if i'm running 2gb, i don't want to max out my resources JUST because vista was poorly designed (which it was)...as you said, it's all in how you look at it and i'm the average user doesn't notice

12/14/2007 1:38:19 PM

^but that's just an opinion. I like it much better than XP. Runs smoother in my opinion too. I always get much more done than when i boot up the XP partition and i can do more in vista than i could in xp, mainly in the game department. I guess it's just personal preference. Plus i like the thing where you can cycle through all the open windows. Looks neat. Everyone complains about the new "aero" or whatever. I don't see any problems with it. Makes everything look smoother and feel better. XP just looks ugly now. I haven't had a reason to complain yet, so i haven't.

12/14/2007 2:10:01 PM

exactly...i've had EVERY reason to complain and found nothing redeeming about vista...so i dumped it and went back to an OS that isn't bloated

*shrug*...no worries, to each his own

12/14/2007 2:11:42 PM

That's pretty much how I feel. I know I'm supposed to hate Vista, but I can't find anything wrong with it. Once you get used to the (sometimes) screwy way things are tucked away, it's all gravy. My Vista HTPC runs without ANY hitches. The only time it gets restarted is when I install and update or something that requires it, really.

12/14/2007 2:14:01 PM

Yeah I never understood why people complain about vista. It's really the exact same as XP. Nothing much has changed. It isn't much more "bloated" than XP was. Microsoft kinda rushed in the whole gui department. They are planning the next big gui update with Windows 7 around 2010. Then people will have reasons to be critics.

^Yeah i love it as a HTPC. I had XP pro before and it didn't have media center. Now most of the editions come with media center, and it's even better than on XP media center. I rarely use the HD DVR because newsgroups is easier, but it still works flawlessly. I thought i was going to hate vista along with everyone else, but i have yet to find a problem with it.

12/14/2007 2:17:11 PM

I think it does a great job of scaling itself to your machine, too. I'm running it on a wide range of machines at home, and it runs better than XP on my Dell 700m (1.4ghz Pentium M, 1GB memory, integrated graphics).

12/14/2007 2:24:31 PM

got a story for you

just bought a new compaq laptop w/ Vista Home Premium on it.

got home, thought it would be fine, within 24 hours i had a blue screen and EVERYthing took forever to load up, wireless was easier to use, standby shutdown worked better in Vista, but performance was HORRIBLE

so i put XP on it just for kicks and i swear it performs at least 10-15% better, no issues, no blue screens whatsoever...

and get this, compaq only supports Vista for my laptop, they don't support it for XP at all

12/14/2007 11:12:17 PM

^that sucks. After playing around with the beta last year, I decided to buy it when it came out. My computer has never run smoother over long periods of time. I just restarted for the first time in 10 days, only because i installed some new drivers. Granted I have a rather hefty system, but I read up on the recommended memory and processors for vista before I built my computer. FOR ME, it is much more reliable and stable than XP ever was.

12/15/2007 2:32:14 AM

why is firefox so buggy in vista? i get "not responding" all the fucking time...currently i can not view these sites in firefox:

vista.ncsu.edu
http://ncsu.transloc-inc.com/
http://www.co.okaloosa.fl.us/

12/20/2007 2:10:31 PM

I dunno why you guys are having so many problems.... FireFox hasn't crashed on me once in Vista (on 3 different machines + with tons of plugins installed), yet Internet Explorer "stops responding" every 10 minutes or so.

go figure.

12/20/2007 3:03:52 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=504723&page=4

there is a link in this thread, to some photos...i click that link in firefox and it opens a new tab and then gives me the "not responding" thing


what i dont get is in xp, the not responding thing goes away with a quickness...where in vista, it just stays there and you gotta restart the program or open a different browser

12/20/2007 4:24:45 PM

Vista Ultimate x64 and Firefox: No problems at all.

12/21/2007 12:33:16 AM

I've been using Vista at my new job for the past 3 weeks.

I havent really figured out many secrets yet, but its not that bad. i like the graphics and "feel".

granted... i dont see how its really a big change from XP. they should have just rolled it out a stream of SP's.

12/21/2007 2:00:49 AM

Shoulda bought a mac.


I'm building my new vista machine...it will have Vista 64 no doubt.....that way I can put 4 gb of ram and it reallly recognize it. i'm buildinga HTPC....so if it doesn't work....i'll do hackintosh or ubuntu(which I really like)

12/21/2007 8:49:47 AM

just got vista. it's really cool


fuck leopard. go to hell mac

12/23/2007 7:40:22 PM

piece of shit macintosh. go to hell. and fuck all you shitwads who constantly email me and harass me at school and work about how much better it is.

12/23/2007 7:41:21 PM

wtf...i'm trying to upgrade my vista from basic to business...i wouldnt think it would need FIFTEEN gigabytes for that...

12/23/2007 7:47:30 PM

for mac you need 30gb to upgrade to fucking leopard

12/23/2007 8:25:45 PM

^ Huh?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

The "general" requirements are 9GB of space, and i'm pretty sure you could chop that down to 4 or 5 GB, maybe less.

12/23/2007 9:13:34 PM

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"I've been using Vista at my new job for the past 3 weeks. I havent really figured out many secrets yet, but its not that bad. i like the graphics and "feel". granted... i dont see how its really a big change from XP. they should have just rolled it out a stream of SP's."

i've been using vista business here for the past 2 months or so and it works pretty well. i hate not having admin rights to install java, quicktime, etc updates but other than that, it's fine by me

12/26/2007 9:23:47 AM

i think we can all agree that when a person says "vista [negative comment] because of [personal computer problem]" they dont really know what they are talking about

i.e. i have [stats of awesome computer] and vista runs so bad!!! it sucks so hard

ill give it up that when vista was first released for sales it was to buggy to be deamed worthy of buying

however, as i see it, vista's features are great, scalable, and effecient regardless of how it runs on my machine (which is great btw)

and obv after sp1 they have fixed alot and its becoming/become very stable

12/27/2007 2:55:22 PM

after the little bit ive used it on my friends laptops, my new laptop (that is waiting at home for me right now to open when i get home ) was ordered with XP. Even turning everything off I could think of to increase performance and decrease memory usage, their vista machines were still hogging more memory than they would on XP, and by the time I had turned everything off, there wasnt a reason to be running vista in the first place.

laptop i have coming tonight is:

2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo / 4MB Cache
100GB 7200 RPM HD
3GB DDR2 667MHz RAM
ATI Mobility 1400 128 MB graphics card

Hoping itll be quick and smooth on XP.

[Edited on December 27, 2007 at 3:10 PM. Reason : ]

12/27/2007 3:10:29 PM

Vista just isn't where it needs to be yet. It's similar to WinXP at release, but a little less stable. Microsoft should have spent some more time working on 64bit support and only released it as a 64bit OS only (with better 32bit program support).


I can't think of any 32bit cpu's that would run it well anyway. And ram is cheap enough now that running 4gb should almost be a bare minimum for any new system that ships.

12/27/2007 3:16:44 PM

i agree with your 32bit statement for the most part. but unless im misinterpreting your RAM statement, are you saying that not having enough RAM (as in 4GB) is another big problem in vista not running smooth?

because having an OS that doesnt run smoothly with less than 4GB at this point in time is poor design.

12/27/2007 3:32:04 PM

Vista runs decently with 2gb of ram if you have a decent CPU. If you want everything to run without any hiccups whatsoever though, you need more.

You can turn off the visual options of Vista, but that's at least 50% of their hype.

12/27/2007 3:34:33 PM

yea exactly. which is why i went with XP. for me personally, i just didnt see anything i would utilize with vista and i think i will get more out of my previously posted hardware on the laptop than i would with vista.

12/27/2007 3:55:57 PM

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"fuck all you shitwads who constantly email me and harass me at school and work about how much better it is."

Quote :

"for mac you need 30gb to upgrade to fucking leopard"

The quality of our trolls seems to be going down.

12/27/2007 6:28:34 PM

Im running vista right now.

My internet explorer process is using 578mb of ram. I have 8 webpages open. Thank god I have 4gb of memory.

Also stability doesnt make it good. I've not seen so much quirky behavior since Windows 98SE. Windows that wont close until 5 minutes after I click the buttom, extremely bizarre hibernation/sleep mode operation, programs that run sometimes and dont others, the entirely goofy UAC implementation. It's so badly designed, ugh.

12/27/2007 11:03:27 PM

^ I turned UAC off after about 5 minutes seeing it half a dozen time.

The other behavior you mention is also what i'm experiencing as well. I was thinking it was just me (but this is on a FRESH install on a quad core proc and stuff).

The thing that bugs me the most is how often programs seem to not respond, and when I click end program, half the time Explorer ends up crashing, and I have to either force it quit or restart (because I don't want to wait for it to do whatever it does when it ends program).

I would go back to XP but i'm worried that once I get settled in, they're going to stop making SW/drivers/whatever for XP and i'll have no choice but to switch back to Vista.

At least I have my Powerbook.

12/27/2007 11:17:27 PM

Vista only uses a lot of memory if you have plenty to spare. The only area I would like to see improved is the networking. transfer speeds aren't always so great. And I guess I wish it didn't take 1/2 hour to clear out the recycling bin.

12/28/2007 12:32:51 AM

so, from a user experience perspective, 2GB under vista = ?GB under XP?

and when the hell are they gonna release SP1? i almost don't even wanna bother with vista until that SP is officially released.

1/17/2008 10:46:57 AM

ive been running sp1 for a while, it actually does make a BIG difference. other than maybe win2k sp1, probably the best comprehensive service pack they've yet released

1/17/2008 11:30:54 AM

in my experience, 2gb in vista is like 1gb in xp...you can run it, and it might work just fine, but that's the BARE minimum

1/17/2008 11:31:23 AM

I have had an enjoyable experience with 3gb of ram running with Vista. Yes. It is quite enjoyable. No problems after 3 months.

1/17/2008 11:32:41 AM

^^I run Vista on an old 700m laptop with only 1.25 GB of PC2700 RAM and it runs just fine w/all the eye candy turned off.

1/17/2008 11:37:08 AM

wrong thread nothing to see here

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 4:14 PM. Reason : dd]

1/17/2008 4:14:13 PM

has anyone installed the SP1 RC and noticed any specific improvements?

1/19/2008 3:09:43 PM

i'm waiting for the official release.

1/19/2008 3:16:06 PM

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"^^I run Vista on an old 700m laptop with only 1.25 GB of PC2700 RAM and it runs just fine w/all the eye candy turned off."

in which case theres not much point to run vista

1/19/2008 3:52:27 PM

1. Can't uninstall Microsoft crap from the add/remove control panel like before.
2. "You do not have permission. Access Denied. You cannot delete something from YOUR computer"
3. Windows Genuine Advantage. 'nuff said about that
4. kernel panics and critical errors from what-the-piss-ville Iowa.

I've had it before. A couple times. The first time was the most successful. I'm only running it now for its mobility center, which after finding a modder for my video drivers, I probably don't need either. I spend as much time in Leopard as possible. And yes, I've used PC/Windows for years already. Macs only from here on out.

[Edited on January 19, 2008 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2008 4:24:08 PM

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"in my experience, 2gb in vista is like 1gb in xp...you can run it, and it might work just fine, but that's the BARE minimum"

I run Vista with 1GB on my laptop and I have had very very few issues. It also runs perfectly smooth, and is not slow at all. This is with Aero turned on with all the eye candy too.

1/19/2008 5:23:28 PM

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""^^I run Vista on an old 700m laptop with only 1.25 GB of PC2700 RAM and it runs just fine w/all the eye candy turned off." in which case theres not much point to run vista"

not true. I think Sidebar and the new Media Center are very worthy reasons to run Vista. Also, Vista is faster than XP to go into/come out of standby (on my laptop, at least).

1/19/2008 7:07:11 PM

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"has anyone installed the SP1 RC and noticed any specific improvements?"

Yeah i installed it a couple days ago. It seemed like transfer speeds were faster both over the network and from HD to HD. I also noticed it sped up the time it took to boot up and come out of stand by. These are issues SP1 was supposed to address and what I noticed the most. Saw a couple other things too but those were the main ones.

^yeah the sidebar is great and is less hassle than previous yahoo/google attemps. The media center is great too. I like it much better than xp media center edition.

[Edited on January 19, 2008 at 11:15 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2008 11:13:51 PM

Meh, if you actually use the sidebar you should disable it though. It takes surprisingly long to load at startup on some of the machines I've used. Heh, maybe that was fixed with the patch though.

1/19/2008 11:21:54 PM