thanks for the race card, again.

11/15/2007 7:50:46 PM

^ you are turning into a new TreeTwista10

11/15/2007 8:20:36 PM

what, cause I speak the truth?

11/15/2007 8:39:18 PM

Quote :

"Well, why in hell don't you put blame where it's due, Grumpy? In addition to overwhelming opposition on both sides of the aisle to Spitzer's plan, there is now strong evidence that Hillary Clinton/her camp told Governor Spitzer to drop the issue."

That's not my immediate concern. I can't think of a situation that would cause me to vote for Hillary Clinton. Besides, I can take a longer view of history.

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"Nice, race card coming out again. When you can't make a good argument, just call your opponent a racist, right? Thanks, Rev. Sharpton."

Now, aaorn, at the very least you are aware that racists still exist. I have to assume you have that much sense. But, before we go on, assume for just a moment that maybe I chose my words carefully.

In which case, I was calling the law xenophobic, and not you.

Now, no doubt, I think the law itself, as well as its proponents, have influenced you. And what they've used there is they're xenophobic propaganda. I don't necessarily think that you are essentially opposed to wetbacks -- maybe you are, maybe you aren't. But the reasons you espouse for the positions you hold are not reasonably tenable outside of that position. You will realize it in time, though perhaps after it is too late.

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"But seriously, if you think the law is soooooooooooo bad, then why don't you go out and try and get THAT LAW changed, instead of finding a multitude of ways to evade and ignore a federal law?"

Every time I write to a legistlator I bring this set of laws up. But until they are done away with, I will fight them however I can. I have to assume you would not have asked Harriet Tubman to petition her congressman.

I do what I can, as I can.

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"And, just for good measure, I'll add this in... I think that we should go out of our way to make the lives of illegal immigrants in the US a total hell. We should make it ridiculously hard for ANYONE to get by in this country without having a legal right to be here."

You know, even if I agreed with your general opinion on illegal immigrants, I would stop short of saying that we should make their lives hard at any cost, and say that we should not make their lives hard when it costs American lives, which is what the current drivers' license laws do.

11/15/2007 11:27:08 PM

The idea of issuing drivers licenses to known illegal immigrants is obviously absurd, and anyone who doesn't realize that is, to me, completely retarded on this particular topic. I understand its not feasible to "deport 20 million illegals" but there is no excuse to specifically cater to them

btw aaronburro, apparently any time you mention anything pro-sovereignty or legality, you are immediately labelled a racist or xenophobe or bigot or something else similar. Smear tactics is all that is.

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 12:43 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 12:42:18 AM

NO! ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ILLEGALLY ENTER OUR COUNTRY AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO DEMAND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING FROM THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. IT'S THE PROGRESSIVE STANCE![/sarcasm]

11/16/2007 12:48:23 AM

Quote :

" pounds head on desk: you're supposed to be the libertarian, surely the free trade ramifications of immigration should hold some sway over you?"

In an ideal liberatarian world, immigrants would pass freely into the country- finding jobs and adding to the rich fabric of life.

Unfortunately the reality is our gov't has set up a gigantic welfare system. Hospitals are required to treat everyone in the emergency ward regardless if they can pay. We have universal socialized medicine looming in our future. A Gov't provided education is guaranteed to all.

Most illegal immigrants are poor and adding little to the tax base, but still continue to use our infrastructure and consume our free services. Combine this all-too-attractive set-up with wide open borders and you have a recipe for national suicide.

Fix the nanny state, and this libertarian will stop griping about illegal immigration.

11/16/2007 1:06:46 AM

^ Oh, I disagree with the former part of your post. I would argue that the laissez-faire philosophy of protecting property rights and providing for the national defense necessitates the government do something about undocumented individuals entering our country.

But I certainly agree with the latter.

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:23 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 1:22:50 AM

Quote :

"The idea of issuing drivers licenses to known illegal immigrants is obviously absurd, and anyone who doesn't realize that is, to me, completely retarded on this particular topic. I understand its not feasible to "deport 20 million illegals" but there is no excuse to specifically cater to them"

How is it "obviously absurd?"

If you can explain this without using any circular logic, i'll give you a cookie..

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 2:01 AM. Reason : ]

11/16/2007 2:01:42 AM

hooksaw and TreeTwista10 have finally give proof that by default they attempt to counter, refute, then after not having enough credible source TROLL a topic in to submission. Hookbrah and Treebuddy you both know that George W has been intentionally lax on illegal immigration don't you. The DEMOCRATS who have large bases among the minorities and ignorant northern as well as mid-west white folk that bitch about Jose hopping the fence.

I haven't seen a single topic unless started by either of you, in which you have supported the poster opinion. If nothing else cheers to you guys for at least drawing attention to the counter-point for what would otherwise be a homogeneous posting community. At least you guys bring forth debate and make us think hard and investigate our own positions on subject matter.

11/16/2007 3:44:08 AM

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"I'd rather teenagers be instructed on how to use effective measures against birth and disease transmission than not, especially since they will have sex either way."

That's the type of mentality that's going to bring this country to it's knees. "Well, I guess if it's going to happen it's going to happen. Can't do much about it. Might as well let it happen. We'll just patch it up later."

If a kid goes to the dentist because of some serious cavities, what's the first thing the doctor will tell the kid? LAY OFF THE SWEETS! Secondly, BRUSH YOUR TEETH. Note the order of operations here. You stop the problem at it's source. Not after the sugar has already had it's effect.

As an IT computer guy, what is my suggestion to the best way to keep from getting viruses on your computer? LAY OFF THE SHADEY SITES and PRON! Secondly, USE A RELIABLE ANTIVIRUS/ANTISPYWARE PROGRAM. You see what I'm getting at?

Same concept applies to a lot of problems in our society. Like obesity, poverty, illegal immigration, you name it, etc...

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying preventative measures aren't a good thing. They are great ideas. But, they need NOT be the first resort that we go to for solving our problems (i.e. as in this case with illegal immigration in NY).

11/16/2007 8:11:53 AM

Quote :

"In an ideal liberatarian world, immigrants would pass freely into the country- finding jobs and adding to the rich fabric of life. Unfortunately the reality is our gov't has set up a gigantic welfare system. Hospitals are required to treat everyone in the emergency ward regardless if they can pay. We have universal socialized medicine looming in our future. A Gov't provided education is guaranteed to all. Most illegal immigrants are poor and adding little to the tax base, but still continue to use our infrastructure and consume our free services. Combine this all-too-attractive set-up with wide open borders and you have a recipe for national suicide. Fix the nanny state, and this libertarian will stop griping about illegal immigration."

11/16/2007 9:16:16 AM

HUR and moron are truly two of the stupidest motherfuckers on this site

11/16/2007 10:32:36 AM

Quote :

"That's the type of mentality that's going to bring this country to it's knees. "Well, I guess if it's going to happen it's going to happen. Can't do much about it. Might as well let it happen. We'll just patch it up later.""

omg teenagers having sex; are you from the fucking 50's or something??

Quote :

"an IT computer guy"

ok.... this explains it. The hottie w/ the brown hair would not give you the time of day
in high school so now you are this rightous morale conservative who thinks people should
wait till marriage to have sex.

Unfortunatly you can not have it both ways. You are going to bitch about underage pregnancy
and the spread of STD's. Then you are going to bitch about the gov't teaching safe sex and offering
condoms. It is almost a complete contradiction if you factor in the anti-abortion stance.


It is not like the gov't is condoning murder. I guess instead of teaching safe sex and providing
condoms to prevent the spread of STD's and unwanted pregnancy; you would rather blissfully
act like teenagers do not have sex. Then cry bloody murder when the 16 yr old gets an abortion
from a pregnancy that would potentially not have happened if the gov't had enacted a more reasonable
non-dogmatic attitude regarding sex.

As far as illegal immigration and drivers Lic's; i guess it is better to blissfully act like jose' and jorge are not hopping the fence to come here. When we could at least minimize their negative impact on our society by giving them incentive to at least learn how to drive and follow the US road rules

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 11:23 AM. Reason : l]

11/16/2007 11:17:36 AM

i guess we could legalize drugs instead of blissfully acting like people dont use drugs

11/16/2007 12:02:21 PM

Excuse me Mr. HUR, but what was it about my "don't get me wrong" statement that you didn't get?

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"omg teenagers having sex; are you from the fucking 50's or something??"

Haha, you made a funny. But seriously, you need to get your facts straight. It was worse in the 50's.


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html

11/16/2007 1:14:56 PM

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"i guess we could legalize drugs instead of blissfully acting like people dont use drugs "

We should.

Quote :

"Haha, you made a funny. But seriously, you need to get your facts straight. It was worse in the 50's."

You just proved my point. During the 50's talking about sex was a taboo and
non-marital sex was a bigger taboo. In the modern times though thanks partially
to the sexual revolution, sex has become less taboo. Sex ed has also been
incorporated into most high school health class to encourage abstiance but
also teach safe sex.
Also Roe V. Wade allowed abortions to become more common.

Therefore your charts reflect that society's shift of a more realistic view toward
sex versus a dogmatic one has decreased the negative aspects of a more openly sexual population.

sorry for any spelling errors the computer i am currently on doesn't have spell check

11/16/2007 1:22:17 PM

actually we shouldnt legalize drugs...i thought most reasonable people would realize the negatives outweigh the positives

legalizing a problem is not a solution to the problem...it just makes it a problem thats now technically legal

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 1:24:09 PM

you guys do realize that by giving them driver's license, we're getting them in the system and therefore documenting them......

and another thing, during the debate last night there was a question asking if being tough on terrorism and stopping illegal immigration were the same/related/whatever.

they aren't, because the faggots that took down the WTC were here LEGALLY

11/16/2007 1:24:29 PM

you realize not all of them want to get into the system because they know they can already drive (albeit illegally) and they dont have to pay income taxes

let alone we are getting them in the system and therefore documenting them with a higher priority than immigrants who bust their ass and apply for legal citizenship and go through the proper channels

does that sound fair to you?

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 1:25:34 PM

Quote :

"The idea of issuing drivers licenses to known illegal immigrants is obviously absurd, and anyone who doesn't realize that is, to me, completely retarded on this particular topic. I understand its not feasible to "deport 20 million illegals" but there is no excuse to specifically cater to them"

How is it "obviously absurd?"

I'm still waiting on an answer.

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"let alone we are getting them in the system and therefore documenting them with a higher priority than immigrants who bust their ass and apply for legal citizenship and go through the proper channels "

You don't seem to have any clue at all about how the legal immigration process works, or what Spitzer's plan actually was.

11/16/2007 1:38:54 PM

Quote :

"HUR and moron are truly two of the stupidest motherfuckers on this site"

11/16/2007 1:44:01 PM

its absurd because its catering to lawbreakers...how much more simply can i explain it

Quote :

"You don't seem to have any clue at all about how the legal immigration process works"

i know the people who go through the necessary and legal channels in any process should get higher priority than the people who say fuck the system and "jump in line"...how can you even disagree with this???

11/16/2007 1:44:06 PM

I can't figure out why you've decided to resort to ad homs towards me. I thought this may have been it, but it seems really apt now:

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"If you can explain this without using any circular logic, i'll give you a cookie.."

And I posted this on page 1, and in your case, I seem to have been partially right (there ARE valid reasons to oppose Spitzer's plan):

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"I can't see why anyone would be opposed to this, other than for emotional reasons."

If you can't explain it logically, then it IS an emotional thing, isn't it?

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:47 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2007 1:45:45 PM

jcash already said it best on page 1, in case you missed it

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"The solution isn't to give a legal privilege to illegal residents . . . the solution is to create a system where illegal residents are encouraged to attain legal status"

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 1:46:33 PM

Quote :

""The solution isn't to give a legal privilege to illegal residents . . . "

There's nothing about driving that makes it inherently a "legal [as in legal residence] privilege." It is often defined that way. There's nothing inherent about being in a country that you weren't born illegal either. This is also the common definition. Therefore, it's circular to say it's wrong because it's illegal, and it's illegal because we say so. This is what you are saying.

Quote :

"the solution is to create a system where illegal residents are encouraged to attain legal status""

This is not mutually exclusive from allowing people who are going to be driving here, to have a license to do so, so its easier to hold them accountable.

Also, I posted this link on page 1 that a lot of people seemed to miss that some of you (particularly hooksaw-- because you don't seem to know what's going on) should read:

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" ... http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1193749447502.shtm After reading that though, it maybe makes it a little clearer why the latinos are so against it: it basically makes anyone with the 3rd tier license a second class citizen. Instead of them being able to stay under the radar, they'll have a big stamp on their ID that says "i'm here illegally." As it is now, illegally getting a "normal" license would be better for them, than going out of their way to get the second-rate license. Also, from the currently proposed REAL ID standards, i'd have to be against Spitzer's plan too."

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:59 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2007 1:51:18 PM

now see if you can address that point

how in the world is not catering to lawbreakers something emotional? how is catering to illegals before legals not obviously absurd?

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 1:52:42 PM

^x4 Um. . .concerning the explanation you requested, one reason is because driving in the Unites States of America is a privilege--not a right. Illegal aliens are not entitled to this privilege.



[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 1:52:47 PM

Quote :

"Illegal aliens are not entitled to this privilege. "

Why not? if you can explain it without using circular logic, i'll give you a cookie.

Quote :

"how is catering to illegals before legals not obviously absurd?"

That generally would be a bit absurd, but that's not what's happening.

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2007 2:00:55 PM

Quote :

"People are opposed to this for logical, ethical, and common sense reasons regardless of how practical it may seem. Aside from a perverted sense of pragmatism, I can't see why anyone would be in support of this, other than for emotional reasons. It would cause enormous problems, and fix nothing. It is a losing idea and one of the stupidest ever."

11/16/2007 2:23:21 PM

Without knowing what problems 392 thinks it would cause, I can't say I agree or disagree. Considering he followed that statement with "support for this issue is political suicide (except maybe in the socialist people's republic of california)" I bet though he couldn't name any actual problems this would cause.

11/16/2007 2:32:25 PM

do you not see the fundamental problem here? that we would be giving a privilege/benefit to illegal immigrants, effectively documenting them and making them legal in a sense, rewarding them for breaking the law

while we have people who have tried to do the right thing and follow the proper immigration processes legally over years and years, who don't get the benefit because illegals are getting the benefit instead of them?

it keeps sending the message, if enough people break the law, lets just get rid of the law

luckily Governor Spitzer already "is abandoning his plan to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, saying that opposition is just too overwhelming to move forward with such a policy."

The opposition is "too overwhelming"...but moron you don't see why there is overwhelming opposition?

11/16/2007 2:37:26 PM

I will laugh when some Illegal Immigrant driving his 10 amigos in the white van plows into TreeTwista10's car b.c he did not understand the yield sign. Then oh-shit! the driver will most likely be uninsured; sucks that you will have to pay for your car.

Whereas allowing them to get a D.L doesn't mean that coming here illegal is "ok"; but kinda like sending a heroin addict to rehab or supplying them with clean needles to at least try and prevent the spread of HIV/Hepatitis we are minimizing the negative effects when it is not possible to completely eliminate the problem behavior.

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"actually we shouldnt legalize drugs...i thought most reasonable people would realize the negatives outweigh the positives"

yeah b.c a stoner sitting on his couch eating Cheeto's watching Aquateen Hunger Force really has a negative impact on society compared to the jarhead slammin beers at the bar brawling with everyone that gives him the wrong look.

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"The opposition is "too overwhelming""

yeah b.c of all the ignorant fucks that go around saying "Dey Tukk Ourr Jerbs"

Treetwista10 if some 11 yr old illegal Mexican immigrant. was severely wounded and needed urgent medical attention to save his life would you throw him out of the hospital b.c he was forced to hop the fence with his parents???? Regardless of how people feel about illegal immigration even if they took your berry picking job you can not ignore their presence here.

The only real way to solve the illegal immigrant problem would be if we systematically imprisoning/executing/forcing into slavery every illegal found. As of right now the benefit of trying to enter the US illegally outweighs the punishment if found when factoring in the % chance of getting away with it.

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 2:44 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2007 2:38:20 PM

Quote :

"a stoner sitting on his couch eating Cheeto's watching Aquateen Hunger Force really has a negative impact on society compared to the jarhead slammin beers at the bar brawling with everyone that gives him the wrong look."

because clearly all drugs make you a passive couch potato...there are no risks at all with crack, crystal meth, etc...also i like how you reminded us how unruly and dangerous Marines are and how every one is a drunk just ready to SNAP and fight anyone

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"I will laugh when some Illegal Immigrant driving his 10 amigos in the white van plows into TreeTwista10's car b.c he did not understand the yield sign."

yeah cause giving somebody a driver's license automatically means they will become good drivers!

Quote :

"yeah b.c of all the ignorant fucks that go around saying "Dey Tukk Ourr Jerbs" OMG THESE IMMIGRANTS JUST WANT A BETTER LIFE! HAVE COMPASSION! "

11/16/2007 2:41:16 PM

Quote :

"yeah cause giving somebody a driver's license automatically means they will become good drivers!"

At least we know they passed some standards. Even if they are minimal.

11/16/2007 2:45:41 PM

there are tons of wrecks every day and many of them by people who passed those same minimal standards

and regardless of any potential positive impact on traffic safety, its still rewarding lawbreakers...i dont think the government should reward lawbreakers, and neither does Gov. Spitzer anymore...Hillary was obviously waiting to feel out what public opinion was before he took a stance on either side

Let me propose this question...how would some of you feel about this...lets say illegal aliens have the option to come forth and get a driver's license...but what if one of the prerequisites of getting a license was to pass an English test...I mean, they would HAVE to know words like "STOP" to be a responsible driver, right? So would you have a problem with an English test and if they failed the English test they couldn't get their license? Just throwing the idea out there

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 2:48:58 PM

Quote :

"The opposition is "too overwhelming"...but moron you don't see why there is overwhelming opposition?"

Have you just been imagining what my posts say? Because you clearly haven't been reading them. I said on page 1

Quote :

" http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1193749447502.shtm After reading that though, it maybe makes it a little clearer why the latinos are so against it: it basically makes anyone with the 3rd tier license a second class citizen. Instead of them being able to stay under the radar, they'll have a big stamp on their ID that says "i'm here illegally." As it is now, illegally getting a "normal" license would be better for them, than going out of their way to get the second-rate license. Also, from the currently proposed REAL ID standards, i'd have to be against Spitzer's plan too."

But your rationale that

Quote :

"? that we would be giving a privilege/benefit to illegal immigrants, effectively documenting them and making them legal in a sense, rewarding them for breaking the la"

Is not valid. Illegals can already get a federal tax ID which documents them on the FEDERAL level. Spitzers plan would give them a license to able to be used for only driving (not a valid ID for flying or traveling or any other federal purpose) and also have very clear markings that it wasn't a federally compliant ID (essentially a tag that says you're here illegally, since any legal person would get a normal ID).

Quote :

"while we have people who have tried to do the right thing and follow the proper immigration processes legally over years and years, who don't get the benefit because illegals are getting the benefit instead of them?"

If these people could get here, they'd be able to get the same ID. Heck, if you lived in NY, you'd be able to get the gimped ID if you wanted.

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"it keeps sending the message, if enough people break the law, lets just get rid of the law"

Not exactly. They're not getting rid of any laws, they are adding more laws. It's only been illegal for an illegal immigrant to get a driver's license in most of the country (maybe all, i'd have to check) for that past 2 years or so.

11/16/2007 2:50:35 PM

Quote :

"Spitzers plan would give them a license to able to be used for only driving (not a valid ID for flying or traveling or any other federal purpose)"

if there are no other benefits of this license besides driving...ie you dont get citizenship...you cant use it as federal ID for other things...no benefits aside from being able to legally drive...why would illegals even want this license? seriously dont you think many illegals would view it as some "come on...i promise if you put your guns down we wont shoot you..." type of trap?

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 3:08 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2007 3:06:50 PM

Quote :

"its still rewarding lawbreakers"

How is this "rewarding" illegal immigrants. Not like the gov't is providing them a car and auto insurance. This is a measure to help protect American citizens by encouraging those evil dirty Mexicans that are taking our jobs to get car insurance and become decent drivers since they will drive anyway (legally or illegally). Jose can hop in is car with or without a D.L. So unless we force auto manufacturers to install drivers license readers into all cars then your point is irrelevant. BTW yes i think it should be mandatory to speak English regardless of their immigration status; nice straw man attempt though.

This is even forgetting that illegal immigration is a federal issue while driving privileges is a State Issue.

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"why would illegals even want this license"

some are too stupid to think of the negatives of having them on record. Also from a law perspective if they get pulled they are fucked for not driving w/ insurance or a D.L. Whereas is they had a D.L and insurance; the cop may or may not feel like taking the time to bring him in and call up the I.N.S.

Do you really think cops arrest every illegal immigrant they come across?? The holding jails at the sheriff's office would be bursting at the seams.

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 3:21 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2007 3:18:46 PM

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"This is a measure to help protect American citizens"

A plastic card is the best way to help protect American citizens...I feel safer already!

11/16/2007 3:21:18 PM

Even if this was implemented, it would prove to be a big flop. Illegals aren't stupid enough to walk into an office and claim that they're illegal just to get some crummy license when they can just as easily go and drive without one. Come on, do you think they WANT to pay insurance? I sure wouldn't.

Like TreeTwista10 said, unless you are giving them some serious incentive for getting a license, then this thread is done.

11/16/2007 4:03:03 PM

^

Maybe grandma emilia has some conscious, it was a morale dilemma illegally crossing the border, but now that she's here driving anyways she'd like to be insured to cover any at fault accident she causes.

Or as i said before a cop may or may not notify INS if he encounters an illegal but you are fucked if caught breaking the law by driving w/o insurance and a lic.

If nothing else this is a States rights issue whereas illegal immigration is a federal one. I think some of you guys argue just to hear your own voice sometimes. This is catering to the illegals

11/16/2007 4:48:03 PM

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"now that she's here driving anyways she'd like to be insured to cover any at fault accident she causes."

no...no she wouldnt

Quote :

"Come on...I'm not gonna hurt ya.....I'm just gonna...BASH YOUR BRAINS IN"

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 4:51 PM. Reason : shinin]

11/16/2007 4:49:49 PM

Not everyone's a heartless bastard like you tree.

Do you honestly take everyone's posts and just find some reason to disagree just to keep the argument going??

I know everyone has their own different opinions but I do not see how it is possible for someone to completely reject 100% of the viewpoints discussed in TSB. unless its hooksaw of course.

11/16/2007 4:57:40 PM

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"Not everyone's a heartless bastard like you tree."

i'm heartless for thinking its fucked up that ILLEGAL immigrants would stand to get drivers licenses before LEGAL immigrants who have patiently gone through the proper channels? Riiiiiight

Its funny how bad you bash me and my posting when most people in TSB think you're a big fucking idiot yourself...its funny when you bash me for taking a jab at liberals when all your posts are filled with anti conservative verbal diarrhea....oh well, Governor Spitzer saw how dumb of an idea this was...maybe you will eventually

But please call me heartless which is basing your reasoning on emotion...you might want to argue with moron cause he thinks the only way somebody would have a problem with this would be emotion

11/16/2007 5:00:56 PM

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"i'm heartless for thinking its fucked up that ILLEGAL immigrants would stand to get drivers licenses before LEGAL immigrants who have patiently gone through the proper channels"

WTF. how would the illegals get a lic before the legal immigrants, u, or me?????

They would have to get insured, get the $25 fee, and sit in the 3 hour line like you or me. Go through all the same channels as the rest of us. I think you are confusing citizen or work visa status and an attempt to reduce the uninsured shitty driving Mexicans on the road.

I wouldn't say my posts are anti-conservative. A lot of my economic views are very conservative, i think we have agreed a few times in threads related to such. I am just more anti-establishment

[Edited on November 16, 2007 at 5:08 PM. Reason : k]

11/16/2007 5:07:39 PM

Quote :

"go through all the same channels as the rest of us"

except for the legal immigration channels that the illegal immigrants DID NOT go through

just a "minor" detail that you are overlooking

you know Immigrant A, who has been filing the proper paperwork for the last couple years attempting to get legal citizenship...is still waiting for citizenship...while Immigrant B, who came over the border illegally a couple months ago, is now eligible for this license

you've gotta be pretty heartless to want a bunch of Immigrant B's to get these licenses while the hardworking and law abiding Immigrant A's are shit out of luck...and you say I'M the heartless one...

11/16/2007 5:10:56 PM

Quote :

"except for the legal immigration channels that the illegal immigrants DID NOT go through"

irrelevant

11/16/2007 5:34:52 PM

Ok troll

Hey I guess if I break into a police station they should just make me a cop since I'm already there

I mean its irrelevant how I got there

11/16/2007 5:38:46 PM

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"I understand its not feasible to "deport 20 million illegals" but there is no excuse to specifically cater to them"

It's like...you know what "specifically cater to them" means, and then applied that term to something completely different.

Pretty much any criminal whose offense was not automobile-related gets to keep their driver's license.

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"ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ILLEGALLY ENTER OUR COUNTRY AND IMMEDIATELY BEGIN TO DEMAND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING FROM THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS."

It's not a question of their demands or anything else. I would be in favor of letting them get driver's licenses if not one of them had asked for it yet, for the simple purpose of safety.

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"apparently any time you mention anything pro-sovereignty or legality, you are immediately labelled a racist or xenophobe or bigot or something else similar."

Historically our immigration laws have been based on race. Hell, we barely had immigration laws until the people coming in started being yellow or brown. Maybe you're not racist, but you support a racist law.

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"Most illegal immigrants are poor and adding little to the tax base, but still continue to use our infrastructure and consume our free services."

I have repeatedly demonstrated in a number of threads that illegal immigrants pay more into the system than they take out of it.

11/16/2007 7:15:35 PM