2 2 2 2 2 YAY!

11/24/2007 10:26:40 PM

marriage of conveniences are great, i want one too

but it is not something we should be condoning or accepting of

i really don't care too much about personal choices, etc

if gays want to suck dick, that's fine - i don't care, but once you get married, at least respect your wife/husband/life partner enough not to a. cheat and b. lie about it

11/25/2007 1:07:20 AM

Didn't read the rest of the thread, but unless the GOP comes up with someone worth anything I'll be voting for Hillary (and maybe even donating $$$ to her campaign too )...

11/25/2007 2:08:15 PM

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"vs. Giuliani who has jumped ship several times? I mean, you're faulting her for staying with her marriage... don't you think you are being a tad bit irrational?"

ummm, she stayed with her marriage FOR POLITICAL REASONS. At least Rudy said "fuck it, I can't stand this bitch." not that I would vote for that wolf in sheep's clothing anyway

11/25/2007 2:12:56 PM

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"Didn't read the rest of the thread, but unless the GOP comes up with someone worth anything I'll be voting for Hillary (and maybe even donating $$$ to her campaign too )..."

Now I trust this man's thoughts when it comes to politics even when I do not agree with them and for him to say that he would vote for Hilary it makes me want to re-evaluate my own position on the matter.

11/25/2007 2:34:55 PM

TGD don't know shit

11/25/2007 2:48:54 PM

I truly fucking hate politicians.


Their differences are absolutely nothing compared to their despicable similarities.

11/25/2007 2:54:06 PM

that's why you should vote for Ron MotherFuckin Paul. He's not a politician

11/25/2007 2:58:34 PM

i will vote for paul. I'm a registered libertarian (even though i don't really call myself one).

But paul will never be elected because the public is both stupid and complacent.

11/25/2007 3:03:17 PM

^
and he's fucking insane

Anyone who repeatedly votes *against* tax cuts b/c they "don't go far enough" is a fucking buffoon whose understanding of the political process is roughly equivalent to that of a prepubescent child

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"HockeyRoman: Now I trust this man's thoughts when it comes to politics even when I do not agree with them and for him to say that he would vote for Hilary it makes me want to re-evaluate my own position on the matter."

I assure you my motives are entirely selfish in nature...  

11/25/2007 3:41:45 PM

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"ummm, she stayed with her marriage FOR POLITICAL REASONS. At least Rudy said "fuck it, I can't stand this bitch." not that I would vote for that wolf in sheep's clothing anyway"

and what evidence, other then the fact they are stilled married, do you have to support this ridiculous assertion?

11/25/2007 4:57:57 PM

^^ the political process be damned. When a man has half his earnings taken away to support the gov't, then something is WRONG with the political process.

^ ummm, maybe the fact that they weren't living together around the time Bill started his presidential run should be fact enough for you

11/25/2007 5:10:16 PM

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"^ ummm, maybe the fact that they weren't living together around the time Bill started his presidential run should be fact enough for you "

proof?

11/25/2007 5:14:33 PM

positive

11/25/2007 5:18:25 PM

you can't provide it. Thought so. This is just like the whole lamp incident. Shit that was made up pre-1996 to discredit hillary clinton and were some how attributed to the secre service. Get real. You have no evidence at all.

11/25/2007 5:29:42 PM

As a registered independent I'm kind of at the mercy of voters from the two main parties, but if Hilary gets the Dem nomination I'll almost certainly be voting Republican... unless Guliani gets the GOP nod... In which case I'd have to forsake the American political system completely.

11/25/2007 10:23:12 PM

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"Shit that was made up "

Perhaps. But that doesn't change the fact that Hillary is a collectivist with her "It Takes a Village"
mentality. She prefers the state over the individual. We would be but mere subjects in her Big Gov't Kingdom.

11/25/2007 10:28:39 PM

I'm beginning to think she won't be the Democratic candidate. There just isn't enough widespread support for her and when the primaries really start to heat up in the next month and early January she's going to come under some heavy scrutiny.

It's like this one guy I met at a College Dems meeting said: "We seem to be stuck in this thinking that every election is going to come down to 2-3 battleground states and that it's not possible to win 400 electoral votes anymore. It is, we just haven't had a candidate in the past couple elections that could have done it." He was talking about John Edwards, but I think this applies to Obama as well on a slightly smaller level. Hilary's nomination will virtually guarantee the red state/blue state war.

11/25/2007 10:32:26 PM

i will vote against her, first and foremost, if she wins the candidacy... regardless of her opponent.

11/25/2007 10:35:15 PM

I'm so uninspired by and unenthusiastic about any of the likely candidates, I'll probably just write in "Bugs Bunny" or something.

11/25/2007 10:38:47 PM

if she makes it to the general election, i'll vote for her only because i want that glass ceiling to be shattered. likewise with obama, even though i vehemently disagree with both candidates on all issues

oh also, ^^^ don't front like you're doing all this analysis bla bla bla we all know you're just regurgitating this morning's Meet the Press. consider yourself both owned and called out.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 10:40 PM. Reason : ss]

11/25/2007 10:39:24 PM

^^^^Along those same lines... based on the political trends of the past few years, the Dems should be able to take the election easily this year, or at the very least get every swing state... but then Hilary became their leading candidate, and it turned into a race again. The only way the republican party stands a chance of winning is if she gets the nod.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ^s]

11/25/2007 10:39:30 PM

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"oh also, ^^^ don't front like you're doing all this analysis bla bla bla we all know you're just regurgitating this morning's Meet the Press. consider yourself both owned and called out."

Uh, I don't watch Meet The Press so those are all pretty much my own ideas. I am capable of some rational thought on my own. Maybe the ideas are the same but I definitely came up with them on my own. SO... consider yourself wrong and an asshole.

11/25/2007 10:52:24 PM

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"I'm beginning to think she won't be the Democratic candidate. There just isn't enough widespread support for her"

it's not about widespread support. it's about who has the greatest number of highly motivated and partisan activists that can convince similarly-minded people to get off their ass and go spend time at a caucus or a primary vote.

"widespread voters" generally dont do the primary or caucus thing.

11/25/2007 10:53:17 PM

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"i'll vote for her only because i want that glass ceiling to be shattered. likewise with obama, even though i vehemently disagree with both candidates on all issues"

people like you are the reason our govt is so fucked up

11/26/2007 6:48:44 AM

I disagree. Our govt. is so fucked up because people vote solely on name recognition and a "root for the winner" mentality.

11/26/2007 7:34:22 AM

Apparently not a lot of people would vote for Hillary..... new Zogby poll...

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"General election match-ups show the New York Senator would lose against every top Republican UTICA, New York – A new Zogby Interactive survey shows Democrat Hillary Clinton of New York would lose to every one of the top five Republican presidential contenders, representing a reversal of fortune for the national Democratic front–runner who had led against all prospective GOP opponents earlier this year. Meanwhile, fellow Democrats Barack Obama of Illinois and John Edwards of North Carolina would defeat or tie every one of the Republicans, this latest survey shows."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1393

11/27/2007 6:09:01 PM

^ that's the first poll that actually "sits right" with me. It just makes sense.
Now all the polls that show Hillary with double-digit leads over Obama and Edwards? I am very skeptical of them, because as others here have said, I just haven't seen or felt, anecdotally, much support for her.

11/27/2007 6:20:02 PM

A lot of it is people thinking that she can beat the republicans. A few more polls like this things might change. And who knows about Iowa. It's pretty much a dead heat right now. She wins Iowa, she's a dead lock for the nomination. Obama or Edwards wins, they will get a huge bump in NH, NV and SC.

Kerry was down like 33 points in New Hampshire before he won Iowa. Next day he was up by like 19 points....

11/27/2007 6:34:30 PM

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"She wins Iowa, she's a dead lock for the nomination."

why do you think that?

11/27/2007 6:43:47 PM

There are other Democratic candidates I would much prefer over Hillary.
Worst case and she won the election; she would get my vote unless....

the other candidate .....


-was giuliani and within the next year hopped off the pro-war bandwagon

-McCain went back to his moderate platform and stopped trying to suck Evangelical Christian dick; and like Giuliani got off of Bush's "Git-Er-Dun" lets blow up the world mentality.


- Ron Paul pulling the primary upset.

If Fred Thompson won; I would be packing my bags and moving to Australia. I do not really know enough about Romney but he seems to be on Bush's war and Corporate Welfare bandwagon.

11/27/2007 6:50:12 PM

^^Echoed. Plenty of people have won Iowa before and completely fizzled afterwards (Dick Gephardt comes to mind).

[Edited on November 27, 2007 at 6:50 PM. Reason : ^]

11/27/2007 6:50:28 PM

Just from what I'm hearing. She's a head in all of the polls and if she wins Iowa, she'll win NH and the other two will fall in behind.

11/27/2007 7:39:35 PM

I think the best way for her to get a head is to give some

11/27/2007 7:45:01 PM

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"fucking buffoon whose understanding of the political process is roughly equivalent to that of a prepubescent child "

That pretty much describes Libertarians in general.

11/27/2007 8:58:50 PM

bttt

11/29/2007 7:50:58 PM

^^ riiiiiiiiight. Libertarians understand the "political process." And that's why they hate it so much. They realize that we have forsaken our founding documents and that no one else gives a shit about it.

11/29/2007 9:20:09 PM

Hillary really isn't very anti-war anyway, honestly. She was a vocal supporter of the war until earlier this year. Maybe she honestly changed her mind, but the timing makes me think it was more a matter of political convenience for her candidacy. At least Obama voted against the war. I really do need to acquaint myself more with the other democrat candidates; there's a debate or two in December for that I think. Though North Carolina is so late that it probably doesn't matter anyway.

I would love Ron Paul to win the nomination, but he really has no chance. I might vote for Hillary over Giuliani or Romney (though it would be a tough vote to stomach either way), but I would probably pick McCain or Huckabee over her, even though I don't like their stances on the war one bit.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 12:16 AM. Reason : becase]

11/29/2007 11:58:47 PM

and obama was in an anti-war march when most everyone else was still beating the war drum.

11/30/2007 12:21:57 AM

i'll vote so that Bill Clinton is back in the White House

11/30/2007 1:20:08 AM

assuming ron paul wont be a choice - anyone but hillary 2008.

11/30/2007 8:26:58 AM

their are a few candidates that i abhor more then Hillary especially on the Repub side; but i'd prefer not having anymore of the clinton or bush monarchy in the white house

11/30/2007 10:25:02 AM