2/23/2008 12:06:36 AM

^^ Total horseshit. Time magazine is not a right-wing publication in any rational person's mind and Joe Klein, the author of the excerpt below, is no right-wing writer:

Inspiration vs. Substance
February 7, 2008

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"And yet there was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism — 'We are the ones we've been waiting for' — of the Super Tuesday speech and the recent turn of the Obama campaign [emphasis added]. 'This time can be different because this campaign for the presidency of the United States of America is different. It's different not because of me. It's different because of you.' That is not just maddeningly vague but also disingenuous: the campaign is entirely about Obama and his ability to inspire. Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is [emphasis added]."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1710721,00.html

And a lot of this is a backlash:

Obama Fever Is Breaking On the Web
A Rash of New Sites Throws Some Cold Water On the Hot Candidate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022203063.html

BTW, The Washington Post--the paper that brought down Nixon--is no right-wing publication either. FYI.

In any event, these are just funny:

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

http://barackobamaisyournewbicycle.com/

2/23/2008 2:49:28 AM

^"In any event," you just got 8 shitty years with the dumbass douchebag of your chooshing...

2/23/2008 4:00:56 AM

If Obama had lost 11 straight primaries, we'd have a totally different headline...

2/23/2008 4:10:31 AM

I thought it was a pretty funny line.

2/23/2008 11:45:24 AM

^^^ My "chooshing"? Even your posts are slurred.

2/25/2008 1:36:41 AM

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"Total horseshit. Time magazine is not a right-wing publication in any rational person's mind and Joe Klein, the author of the excerpt below, is no right-wing writer"

You don't have to be right wing to be anti-Obama, but I guess we can just appeal to authority.

2/25/2008 8:20:26 AM

^ Obviously, you don't even know what an appeal to authority fallacy is. I was simply preemptively establishing that Klein is not a right-wing hack before some here began to attack him based on their lack of familiarity with his positions.

In any event, here's Hillary Clinton, no less, mocking Obama's messianic approach:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwRnELfu1Ak&feature=related

2/26/2008 12:54:26 AM

^He's right that you don't have to be right-wing nutjob to be anti-Obama.

In response to Klein's concerns, I'd like to point out that it's very difficult to teach "inspiration." That "substance" he refers to can be wrestled with later. In this particular election, I think we need a president who is inspiring, charismatic, and a good speaker; he or she needs to have those special innate leadership qualities. Hillary, bless her heart, is not inspiring. We're in a bad place right now, and ideas/substance are not going to be enough to carry us through. We need some magic, and Obama's the magic man...mama.

2/26/2008 3:14:21 PM

I can't wait for the debate today. Hillary is going to get booed off stage. Her horrible annoying voice when she gets mad or excited will come out, and she'll continue trying to slam him with her low blows and irrelevant bullshit. FUCK that bitch!

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"mocking Obama's messianic approach"

Way to go you fucking idiot Hillary... make fun of people who like the fact that he tries to inspire people to become active in America's political process. That's sure to get you more votes!

Does she not realize that as she stoops lower and lower her numbers are going lower and lower?



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/26/barackobama.hillaryclinton1

2/26/2008 3:33:42 PM

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"We need some magic, and Obama's the magic man...mama."

Yeah, I wonder why some people make fun of some of his supporters. Put magic man on a bumper sticker. LOL

Brid, you said we are in a bad place. Could you elaborate what you feel is so bad and why?

2/26/2008 3:37:08 PM

Economy, Military, Healthcare, International Perception to name a few. Or do you consider social issues more important than actually being able to live?

2/26/2008 3:40:58 PM

Economy is controlled by the president? Also, most feel the tax cuts helped us from a recession years ago. Is it your opinion we are in a recession?

Military, the war is going to be over soon. We are getting some good news, finally, out of iraq. Is it your opinion our military is stretch too thin? Or do you believe obama that our troops dont have enough ammo?(I still cant believe he said that)

Healthcare, are you not able to get healthcare? Noone is denied healthcare in this country. Or are you upset over the numbers who dont have health ins? Is this a new problem for you?

International Perception, yeah that really concerns me the most. Id love to have a president France and other dysfunctional countries approve of.

Im living just fine, as are you. Do we have starving people in the streets? Hard to believe when our poor population is defined as obese. Im curious what brid thinks is so bad.

[Edited on February 26, 2008 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2008 3:47:55 PM

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"I'd like to point out that it's very difficult to teach "inspiration." That "substance" he refers to can be wrestled with later. In this particular election, I think we need a president who is inspiring, charismatic, and a good speaker; he or she needs to have those special innate leadership qualities. "

Wow.

2/26/2008 3:49:43 PM

yeah socks, yet they get upset when people compare those statements to hitlers following.

Hitler inspired well. I think its important to see which direction they want to take you though.

2/26/2008 3:51:44 PM

^ I see starving people on the streets all the time

The president doesn't completely control the economy... but they can be very influencial for bettwe or worse

There are a few verified stories of brigades that were running out of their own - ammo - but they had a shitload of the iraqis' weapons so they didn't need to wait for more

our healthcare SUCKS - millions are uninsured - people have to go untreated until they're about to DIE before they even get looked at - makes shit more expensive

You may be living fine, but many people aren't, don't like the way our country is being run, and are turning out in record numbers to vote, rally, and view debates on TV

2/26/2008 3:54:54 PM

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"Or do you believe obama that our troops dont have enough ammo?(I still cant believe he said that) "

Maybe he said that because it was the truth? Hey look, a politician that actually listens to the people serving in Iraq and Afganistan!





http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i93McMPYxNe5I5luHeUstklGV2RgD8V25S2O1

2/26/2008 4:48:12 PM

terpball,

That's a list of problems you percieve in America. Not a list of policies that Obama will implement to hault those problems. Nor a defense of whether those policies will actually work.

Those are the actual important questions. The rest is...magic, man.

2/26/2008 4:50:49 PM

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"We need some magic, and Obama's the magic man...mama."

Obama's got the magic hands, huh, Bridget? Does he look right through you, too?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Wa0alIWRiQ&feature=related

Concerning "international perception" of America, the French voted for change, too--and they got a president known as "Sarkozy the American" who has strengthened France's relations with the United States.

Quote :

"'The French people have called for change. I will carry out that change, because that's the mandate I have received from the French people.' Sarkozy added that he wanted to tell his 'American friends that they can rely on our friendship ... France will always be next to them when they need us.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/05/06/france.election/

And Chancellor Merkel of Germany is pro-American, too.

2/26/2008 4:51:11 PM

Guys, I'm actually not a big Obama supporter.

And I happened to be rocking out to Heart when I posted earlier.

I'm just saying that he has those qualities that cannot be taught. Clinton and McCain will never be inspiring speakers like Obama. They simply do not have the charisma or the "magic" (AHA I can't believe I said that.) that Obama does. And the disparity between the candidates in that regard has so far proved large enough to make-up for an apparent lack of substance on Obama's part.

You keep whining. He keeps winning.

As an aside, I'd like to add that I really, really don't care what Republicans have to say about this particular election. You fuckers put us through almost eight years of misery. So forgive my half-hearted responses that revolve around classic rock themes. Your desperate criticisms of Obama fall on fed up ears.

2/26/2008 5:16:01 PM

brid, Ill ask again. How has your life gotten worse in the last 8 years?

2/26/2008 5:28:09 PM

^My life has gotten better. My parents are in one of the higher tax brackets so they made a lot more off Bush's tax-cuts than the measly few hundred dollars that most Americans took in. More money to them means they loosen their purse strings a bit, and I got to go on some slightly more expensive family vacations. Plus, they bought a mobile home on the inter-coastal waterway. I was pissed they cheaped out and got a mobile home, but I've found I kinda dig it.

2/26/2008 5:49:31 PM

wow, that does sound horrible. People getting to keep more of thier own money. haha. Democrats hate that. You do realize that if you pay more in taxes, if that tax rate is lowered for everyone, the people who paid more get the same percentage as everyone but get more money?

Where is your "eight years of misery" you've been through coming from then?


Oh, and consider me jealous about the house on the ICWW. Do you get to go often?

[Edited on February 26, 2008 at 6:19 PM. Reason : .]

2/26/2008 6:19:14 PM

^Not as often I'd like. I'm taking first summer session off to relax down there. We don't have a boat yet so I have to rely on other folks if I wanna get out on the water. But all in all it's a nice little place at the coast.

2/26/2008 9:26:47 PM

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"As an aside, I'd like to add that I really, really don't care what Republicans have to say about this particular election."

BridgetSPK

Fine. I'm not a Republican.

And I think your answer to eyedrb's question was revealing--and thanks for your honesty. Despite the problems with the housing market, I don't know one person in my circle of friends and acquaintances that is worse off than he or she was eight years ago--I swear it.

2/27/2008 1:47:19 AM

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"hooksaw: I'm not a Republican."

yeah, yeah, we know, already.

you're vice president of the state Constitution Party.

but still enough of a closet pragmatist to vote for Bush.

2/27/2008 2:10:18 AM

^ Um. . .my pragmatism was unaware that it had been closeted.

2/27/2008 2:20:59 AM