There are plenty of women only gyms or gym times that have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with women not wanting guys to stare at them while they use the vagina machine.


[Edited on March 10, 2008 at 8:43 PM. Reason : gd]

3/10/2008 8:30:02 PM

don't the majority of women go to the gym so that guys will like to look at their bodies?

3/10/2008 8:36:27 PM

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" but I'm curious as to why they'd have women only times. I dont see the point."

you've never been in a gym, have you?

3/10/2008 9:48:10 PM

haha for real

3/10/2008 9:49:12 PM

a lot of whiny men (if you can even call them that) in this thread. Next you'll be whining about not being able to give birth either.

3/10/2008 10:10:39 PM

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" So should they have to adjust their lives to fit your practices then? "

Yes. Ask the Supreme Court about Mormons and the polygamy controversy. Belief is one thing, practice is another.

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"Last time I checked, there was no mandate in the US that all rules had to cater to the christian male cultural ideologies. "

No mandate needed. It's not a coincidence that Judeo-Christian ideology is the primary basis for many of our values and systems though.

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"If you want to live in a place where the gov. caters to one race and culture, go live in Saudi Arabia (or australia). Otherwise, here in the US, we respect other people and their cultures (within the bounds of reason)."

Exactly why I don't shop at El Walmart anymore. I give respect when shown respect. Don't shit on me and then expect me to give you a hug.

3/10/2008 10:47:11 PM

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"It's not a coincidence that Judeo-Christian ideology is the primary basis for many of our values and systems though. "

Those values and systems that are based in "judeo-christian" ideology are found in every other ideology.

3/10/2008 11:26:29 PM

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"don't the majority of women go to the gym so that guys will like to look at their bodies? "

Most of them aren't there to sweat or build muscle from what I can tell. So probably.

3/11/2008 12:09:44 AM

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"Exactly why I don't shop at El Walmart anymore. I give respect when shown respect. Don't shit on me and then expect me to give you a hug. "

Huh? Who's shitting on you at Walmart?

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"You never answered my other question: Quote : "What if someone said they were religiously opposed to or uncomfortable with using a gym with those of a different race/ethnicity? Should the gym cater to them?" "

This is kind of a dumb question. You're comparing religious tolerance and respect for women to racism. What if Hitler wanted to use the gym, should we cater to him? And if you want to use a gym where a certain race or gender isn't allowed, there are plenty of country clubs around the country you can join that'll cater to you.

At Harvard university, an educational institution with a very diverse student group, it makes sense to accommodate women and muslims who want a women-only time at the gym. This is not an attack on Christianity, males, or anything your persecution complex convinces you that it's attacking.

I'm arguing that it's a very small compromise to let some muslims and other women use a gym for 6 hours a week without violating their religion or worry about men ogling them, and you're saying that all institutions in the US should conform to your personal views on decency, or they're unconditionally idiots. Which one do you think represents the values that Americans strive to achieve?

3/11/2008 12:17:22 AM

Once again, the issue is not their religion, it is that they want to work out in more comfortable clothing without men around.

3/11/2008 5:41:05 AM

markgoal wins

3/11/2008 7:56:31 AM

I don't see why this is such a huge deal. If guys want to work out during those hours, they can hit up one of the other gyms. It's not like EVERY campus gym is closed to them during those hours.

3/11/2008 11:03:07 AM

The issue for me isn't so much that the guys have to go somewhere else to workout during those minimal hours. It's that the rights of many were taken away to appease a smaller group for a reason I feel is unjustified.

I feel like I would be equally as displeased if a group of 6 males got all the women shut out of the gym for 6 hours a week because they didn't want to work out in front of girls. Gender has nothing to do with this in my opinion.

3/11/2008 11:08:22 AM

How are their rights being taken away? They can still work out and do anything they wanted to do beforehand.

3/11/2008 11:10:50 AM

Can they work out at that particular gym? It doesn't matter if it's not a big deal or not, it's still rights being taken away.

3/11/2008 11:14:05 AM

That's like saying schools shouldn't be allowed to hold special ed classes for the minority of disabled students because the majority of students could be using the classrooms they're held in at those specific times.

3/11/2008 11:15:02 AM

No... no it's not at all.

3/11/2008 11:16:03 AM

Well I dont know, you might consider alot of religious people mentally disabled.

3/11/2008 11:18:33 AM

^^ How is it different? The members of the minority get a facility (ONE facility, when there are several available for anyone to use) for X number of hours to accomplish what they need to do.

3/11/2008 11:22:08 AM

Because your scenario involves completely denying one group from something that is guaranteed to them. Plus, the learning needs of mentally handicapped children and normal children are vastly different, essentially requiring seperate facilities. There is no need to seperate men and women other than preference of those 6 women.

A more appropriate comparison would be if 96% of the time, all the children were in the same classroom. But for 6 out of 70 hours a week, the mentally disabled children get to kick the normal kids out because they're embarrassed at how much dumber they are. That's not fair at all, is it?

Plus, you compared women to mentally disabled kids. I don't think that's a good start to your argument...

3/11/2008 11:41:59 AM

yea retards need special facilities to learn because they have physical defects. Religion is a choice. And one of the principles of this nation is that choice of religion should not have any effect on others.

Now because its a private school the rules are different and its ok to exclude people based on religion, race, or sex. That happens alot in private institutions. But if it were a gym at a publicly funded university, it would be different.

[Edited on March 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM. Reason : .]

3/11/2008 11:43:11 AM

So, when do you get to the part where you bitch about the existence of Curves?

3/11/2008 11:47:33 AM

See, I don't give a damn about Curves because that's a private business. They can do whatever they want and if a guy goes there to complain about the women only policy, he should be thoroughly laughed at until he leaves.

I understand that Harvard is a private university, but I don't group the two into the same category just because they're both 'private.' A school should be held to different standards than a business.

3/11/2008 11:51:54 AM

Not to offend anyone....but this is fucking stupid. You shouldn't take away other people's right to use something they pay for just so a few people can be more comfortable working out. A more equitable solution would have been to offer to refund the gym fees for anyone (men, women, muslims, wiccans, aztecs...) who didn't want to work out at the gym for whatever reason. Then these women could have gone to a private women's only gym and paid for it themselves in part (or whole considering Harvard ain't cheap) with the refunded money.

But like people said, Harvard is also private so they can do pretty much whatever they like regardless of how dumb it is.

3/11/2008 11:52:00 AM

It's just a few fucking hours

3/11/2008 11:54:17 AM

IMStoned420:

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"The issue for me isn't so much that the guys have to go somewhere else to workout during those minimal hours. It's that the rights of many were taken away to appease a smaller group for a reason I feel is unjustified."

3/11/2008 11:59:44 AM

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"but I don't group the two into the same category just because they're both 'private.' "

You may not, but the laws governing this country do.

I don't like that many private colleges have banned greek organizations, but it is their right, as much as I may disagree with it.

3/11/2008 12:47:17 PM

I, for one, would be pissed if I regularly went to that gym during certain hours every day and then one day found out it was closed for this reason.

I'd be super pissed to not be able to use any part of a gym because 10 women wanted to run on an elliptical, off in the corner somewhere.

I've seen a number of gyms with "women's only" type areas; I don't understand why they can't do that rather than turn an entire gym "women's only".

[Edited on March 11, 2008 at 1:12 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2008 1:07:41 PM

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"I don't like that many private colleges have banned greek organizations, but it is their right, as much as I may disagree with it"

step in the right direction with the ban of greek organizations.

3/11/2008 1:21:38 PM

bttt for your thoughts on the policy that will do this exact gym closing scenario at NC State. I saw an article on the technician about it a few days ago.

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"Plus, you compared women to mentally disabled kids. I don't think that's a good start to your argument..."

10/10

4/9/2008 1:25:56 PM

For God's sake, people. I wasn't saying they were the SAME. I was saying they are both minorities.

[Edited on April 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM. Reason : and it's silly to tell the minority it can't have something because the marority could be using it]

4/9/2008 4:24:24 PM

^It's silly to tell the majority they can't use something they paid for because the minority is uncomfortable with them around.

4/9/2008 4:42:43 PM

this logic is flawed
take away from one group to give to another? based on religion?

4/10/2008 5:29:57 PM

I feel uncomfortable exersizing around homosexual men, which is connected to my Christian religious beliefs. Can we have one gym on campus be exclusive for a short period a few days of the week?

4/10/2008 10:45:27 PM

How long until vids of this start popping up?

4/10/2008 10:53:30 PM

of an empty gym?

4/10/2008 11:48:07 PM

Yuppers.

4/11/2008 12:24:37 AM