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3/17/2008 10:04:52 PM

Without adding (so much) to the debate, can we move this back to trying to organize participation of the protest here. Everyone has an opinion, and I think for those of us who are pro concealed carry on campus, this is a great way to show it.

3/17/2008 10:05:42 PM

it doesnt matter if you think its a stupid idea

i dont want to carry a gun around either (i do like the idea of having one in the home as long as its not anywhere a kid could get it)... but i respect the right of other people to carry guns if they want to. if they've taken their classes and they're law abiding non-convicted felons, then you're really being a douchebag by stepping on people's rights like that.

i think homos are stupid too for not liking pussy but they still have the right to suck balls. and what right do we have to stop them from taking it in the ass? seriously.

3/17/2008 10:07:21 PM

Scrumples, its not a matter of wishing to use the gun, its being prepared in case God forbid, you need to use it to save a life.

3/17/2008 10:11:28 PM

don't take your guns to class, son. don't take you guns to class...


[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 10:14 PM. Reason : j]

3/17/2008 10:12:00 PM

Scrump, try to keep it mature

3/17/2008 10:13:49 PM

Ah, the first annual meeting of the "want to be a hero" club

3/17/2008 10:15:40 PM

i'm much more a democrat than a republican, but its issues like this that keep me from calling myself a liberal. because they are such pussy douchebags when it comes to guns and i dont want to get lumped into that group.

3/17/2008 10:17:31 PM

join the conservative democrats for lawyers, guns and money group I just made up

3/17/2008 10:20:12 PM

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"Why not? What makes campus any different from any place else? Other than being the only place where you can be mugged in broad daylight by a man with a gun, and have no chance at self defense because the law requires you leave your own gun at home? "

first, you aren't going to shoot anybody in self defense... you will be cowering under your desk with the rest of your classmates in the face of danger.

Second, this is a place for learning...not gun slinging. There is no reason anyone should be carrying on campus unless you're a police officer.

Third, shooting someone, self-defense or not, will still get you a round trip ticket to pound me in the ass prison.

3/17/2008 10:20:29 PM

it sounds like a good group

gun toting democrats that demand fiscal responsibility

3/17/2008 10:21:12 PM

Glovko

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 10:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2008 10:22:18 PM

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"Second, this is a place for learning...not gun slinging."

once again with the school is sacred bullshit.

its not for socializing either, wanna ban phones? hell, its not for making a fashion statement either, lets wear uniforms. nothing allowed on campus but books, paper, and pencils.

also, lets prohibit females from carrying pepper spray. cause school isn't for protecting yourself, its for learning

and we know youd be crying for mommy under the desk, but that doesn't give you the right to project it onto everyone else

3/17/2008 10:22:31 PM

3/17/2008 10:25:38 PM

lol mark you're gonna lose this battle.

3/17/2008 10:27:39 PM

good points jackleg

3/17/2008 10:28:50 PM

no jacklog, but they should probably ban drugs then maybe you'd have a shot at a future.

3/17/2008 10:32:50 PM

eh i guess. they're all common sense. hahaha. its not like anyone is trying to argue that school is for gun-toting. im just saying that we live in a crazy world. plus the main point is that people are already carrying them like everywhere else you go. so why not school... whats so goddamned sacred about school that should make these people have to leave their guns in their car when they get to campus? hahaa

3/17/2008 10:33:07 PM

well nobody wants some high, crack head like yourself carrying a concealed weapon anywhere, especially school.

3/17/2008 10:34:35 PM

JACKLOG

3/17/2008 10:35:36 PM

I'll just wear a bulletproof vest to school

3/17/2008 10:35:39 PM

hahhaha they should ban drugs. thats been old for..... 20 months now its pretty funny, though, that you feel so out of place in an intelligent conversation that you'd have to resort to such lame shit.

ps im so far out of that "hole" that we might as well pretend that i was never in one

3/17/2008 10:35:59 PM

[stirring the pot]

didn't read the whole thread, so it may have already been stated, but you can't ccw until you're 21, so about half the students couldn't legally carry even if it were allowed on campus for those with ccw. i don't see why we can train an 18 year old and send him overseas to shoot and be shot, but he can't carry a concealed handgun when he comes home. an 18 year old who is mature and skilled enough to pass a ccw class should be able to protect himself like the people who have magically been transformed into smarter people on their 21st birthday.

3/17/2008 10:37:12 PM

this is a serious thread, jacklog. please leave your jokes outside.

^replace ccw with alcohol first...when that battles won then talk about ccw.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 10:38 PM. Reason : a]

3/17/2008 10:37:52 PM

^for sure

3/17/2008 10:40:03 PM

hahahah i cant help myself.

id much rather have a past involving drug abuse than a past involving sticking my dick in sweettreats

goodnight

3/17/2008 10:41:53 PM

the amount of drugs you do, is it even possible to stick your dick in anything but a blender? [no homo]

3/17/2008 10:43:21 PM

No amount of arguing is going to convince someone who has already made their mind up that having more deadly weapons that exist solely to be deadly weapons in areas where they're unnecessary is a good idea.

3/17/2008 11:20:27 PM

BUT OMG THEY HAVE ANTHRAX AT THE MED SCHOOL

3/17/2008 11:21:35 PM

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"because they are such pussy douchebags when it comes to guns and i dont want to get lumped into that group."

true.

3/17/2008 11:29:58 PM

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"are statistically the LEAST likely to commit gun crime/violence"

you know who is least likely to commit a gun crime? THOSE WITHOUT FUCKING GUNS

3/17/2008 11:57:10 PM

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"you know who is least likely to commit most likely to be victim of a gun crime? THOSE WITHOUT FUCKING GUNS"

3/18/2008 12:06:22 AM

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"you know who is least likely to commit a gun crime? THOSE WITHOUT FUCKING GUNS"

Shit why didn't we think of this before!

We should just put up signs that say "no guns, especially if you plan on killing someone with them"

3/18/2008 12:58:15 AM

The percentage of people who get a concealed gun permit is very low, because it's a bitch (have to be 21, large fee, training, tests, fingerprints, background checks, etc). The state of nc isn't handing these out so people can feel like badasses or go commit crimes, there giving you these so that you can be prepared for any situation/any location in which your life or others may become endangered.

More importantly, I don't see how campuses are any different from all the rest of the places a permit holder can carry their concealed gun at (this is my main reason for supporting). I would agree it should remain concealed in the classroom so it can't/won't be a distraction.

In addition, I would say campuses are much more dangerous then the other places you can carry at for various reasons. I mean shit there dark as hell at night, there are people out walking around at night, there are so many locations to be held up at, you're going to have students walking around alone (for various reasons), criminals know there unarmed, etc. Hell getting held up in broad daylight by an armed robber is possible here now at state (few days ago).

Most people against just go back to the "we shouldn't promote more people toating/owning guns" response. Sorry folks but getting a concealed permit/or a gun is allowed, so they need to address why it should be specifically forbidden on campus as compared to permited at other locations.


[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 1:57 AM. Reason : .]

3/18/2008 1:34:15 AM

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"More importantly, I don't see how campuses are any different from all the rest of the places a permit holder can carry their concealed gun at (this is my main reason for supporting). I would agree it should remain concealed in the classroom so it can't/won't be a distraction"

exactly. it keeps going back to the thing that keeps blowing my mind. one group acts like the church is the most sacred place on earth, and the other group acts like the university is the most sacred place on earth. somewhere like the atrium is no different than burger king... i think the problem is that these people don't SEE the concealed weapons that people have everywhere, therefore they've tricked themselves in to thinking that they're not "at danger" like they would be if the guns came onto campus.

also, i think that by NOT allowing people to carry guns at a PUBLIC university, after they've earned the right to carry legally, you're totally fucking people out of their rights. i don't carry a gun, i don't have a concealed carry permit, but i will always be an advocate for people's rights. and responsible gun owners have never made me feel threatened.

3/18/2008 6:10:49 AM

god damn liberal hippies and their protests. don't they realize this won't do anything?

3/18/2008 7:16:21 AM

Leave it up to the teachers and students. Have a campus-wide vote. If students aren't comfortable with their peers walking around with guns then they shouldn't walk around with guns. If teachers don't want guns in THEIR classroom then they should be able to say so as well.


This is a democracy motherfucker

3/18/2008 7:58:10 AM

Too bad the majority of the population would be too ill informed to make any sensible decision.

Just look at this stupid thread where people have jumped to the conclusion that concealed handgun carry perople are no good and campus would turn into the wild west.

3/18/2008 8:05:41 AM

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"Too bad the majority of the population would be too ill informed to make any sensible decision."

That's the whole problem with democracy, you have to make people care about your issue and become informed. Then, when you lose because people have this "irrational" fear of weapons you get to bitch that everyone is a 'stupid uninformed hippy and they just don't KNOW.'


Of course, my answer would be, 'this isn't the fucking wild west and you have a greater chance of being struck by lightning than a situation coming up where you need that gun.'

3/18/2008 8:12:07 AM

No, it's not the wild west, but people opposed to concealed carry think it would become the wild west if people were allowed to carry on campus; again, because they don't know NC's concealed handgun laws.

BTW, I've known more than a handful of guys who could have used a pistol at one time or another. I only know one guy who was struck by lightning. I think your odds are wrong...


[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM. Reason : Ask Eve Carson what she thinks of concealed handguns on/near campus]

3/18/2008 8:29:41 AM

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"Ask Eve Carson what she thinks of concealed handguns on/near campus"

This is quite possibly one of the stupidest argument's I've ever heard, and you're a complete faggot/douchebag for even bringing it up.


In response, why don't you ask the victims of Colombine, VT, etc. what they feel about guns on campus since they were all shot by them? The VT killer had a legal gun license, remember?

You can rant and rave that people are safer with this all you want, but it only takes ONE fuckup to kill someone. These people are aberrations anyway. Are you going to be the vigilante that goes around and verifies that each person who has a concealed weapon has a license for it?

I suggest a democratic option and you summarily dismiss it because you know that the outcome wouldn't favor you. You would rather FORCE people to be uncomfortable and leave no choice to them. You can quote the 2nd amendment all you want, but you're completely un-democratic.

3/18/2008 8:37:45 AM

^ I am frequently walking back and forth from Poe Hall long after the university has technically closed, which puts me right on Hillsborough. I'm one of the more competent people that you know with my bare hands, but even I would rather not stand and slug it out with someone larger than me.
Besides, who says the gun would ever even be used? It is the fear of the gun, the possibility that "Hey, I might get SHOT if I do this" will deter more crime than anyone actually getting shot.
Now, I don't think this will deter "Cho" at ALL. He has a better chance of getting one in the head before he takes a bunch of people out, but people that have been pushed to that point know they are going to die anyway.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 8:40 AM. Reason : Hi, ln!]

3/18/2008 8:39:36 AM

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"Besides, who says the gun would ever even be used? It is the fear of the gun, the possibility that "Hey, I might get SHOT if I do this" will deter more crime than anyone actually getting shot."

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"but people that have been pushed to that point know they are going to die anyway."

These arguments are completely contradictory though. If this argument was true then concealed weapons would have a larger impact on crime outside of campus and campus's would be a huge crime center. I don't see concealed weapons as a crime deterrent at all.

From your argument the gun is merely there to make the carrier -feel better- which is the exact same reason why some of you are arguing that people are stupid for not wanting guns on campus.


-sup

3/18/2008 8:50:45 AM

DON'T BUY GAS ON TUESDAY

3/18/2008 8:59:53 AM

AND WE'LL NEVER, EVER BUY ANYTHING WITH A UPC

3/18/2008 9:04:07 AM

draw penis' on your papers

3/18/2008 9:16:38 AM

There would be a school shooting every time some depressed student failed out of college or got dumped by some broad. I consider young, potentially paranoid and emotionally unstable undergrads with handguns a real threat; much, much greater than whatever perceived threat students identify from random crime.

3/18/2008 9:18:41 AM

so these kid aren't a threat everywhere else in the country where they can carry a gun?

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 9:24 AM. Reason : t]

3/18/2008 9:24:51 AM

yeah really.

its like once they step on school grounds that they are on another planet.

3/18/2008 9:26:29 AM

setemup

3/18/2008 9:28:13 AM