hopefully this will be like 1996 with that old ass bob dole

4/20/2008 1:00:32 PM

Quote :

"I still have not heard any well-reasoned and likely explanation for how a "free" Iraq is somehow fundamentally better for America's safety in the short or long term."

Stability in the region is vital to our energy needs. Having a western ally sitting on top of the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world is a lot more important than you might think. No one in the middle east poses a direct threat to our safety, but they could threaten our economy and way of life with economic warfare.

4/20/2008 5:08:19 PM

Quote :

"McCain dismisses equal pay legislation, says women need more ‘training and education.’» Today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) skipped the vote on the Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which “restores the longstanding interpretation of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act,” overturned last year by a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling. In New Orleans today, McCain explained his opposition to the bill by claiming it “opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems.” Later in New Orleans, he added that instead of legislation allowing women to fight for equal pay, they simply need “education and training“: “They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households, as much or more than anybody else,” McCain said. “And it’s hard for them to leave their families when they don’t have somebody to take care of them. “It’s a vicious cycle that’s affecting women, particularly in a part of the country like this, where mining is the mainstay; traditionally, women have not gone into that line of work, to say the least,” he said. The issue is not “education and training.” When denied equal pay by her supervisor, Lilly Ledbetter was doing the exact same job as her male counterparts and received numerous performance-based awards. McCain has a long record of failure on women’s issues, earning him a 0 percent rating from NARAL ProChoice America six years in a row, from 2001-2007"

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/mccain-dismisses-equal-pay-legislation-says-women-need-more-training-and-education/

4/24/2008 3:34:10 PM

Linking to "thinkprogress", "DailyKos", "moveon.org" or the other ultra-left sites doesn't give your post any credibility. They knowingly obscure issues and do everything they can to smear the GOP.

Pay discrimination based on gender is illegal and has been for decades. The vote is a non-issue.

The change focuses on the length of time to file a discimination complaint. Saying McCain opposes fair pay is a lie. At most you can say he opposes expanding the time frame to file suit when a woman believes she has been unfairly discriminated against.

4/24/2008 5:03:16 PM

you have to file a suit within 180 days of the discrimination. how you're supposed to know necessarily if there's discrimination in that arbitrary time period is beyond me.

the more ridiculous part of mccain statement is saying that the problem is that women aren't trained. when the thing at issue is when equally qualified women are getting paid less for the same position as men. the woman in question was given many commendations during here tenure and then found out she was being paid significantly less than her male counterparts. this affects not only her income at the time, but her pension for the rest of her life. tell me how that's fair, especially since she didn't learn of this discrimination until later.

[Edited on April 24, 2008 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2008 5:14:31 PM

The supreme court and john mccain are all anti-women!!! OMG11111

4/24/2008 6:32:32 PM

i agree (well the 5/9 of the supreme ct and john mccain at least)

[Edited on April 24, 2008 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2008 6:33:26 PM

and here's some more detail on the bill, for those (like me) who didn't know some of the specifics:

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"There's been a lot of fuss about the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which Senate Republicans successfully threatened to filibuster yesterday. And since Senate members keep saying the legislation would eliminate any statute of limitations on when employees could file for redress--and the news media keeps liberally quoting without immediately correcting them--a few points bear mentioning. First off: Ledbetter v. Goodyear didn't create the requirement that an employee lodge charges within 180 days after experiencing wage discrimination. Congress did, under title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which declared a worker has to file a discrimination complaint within 180 days of the alleged unlawful practice. Before the Court ruled on Ledbetter last May, every time a worker received a new paycheck, that 180-day clock was restarted--because every unequal paycheck was considered a new illegal practice. What the Court did do was decide, instead, that the 180-day statute of limitation starts to run out from the moment the original, discriminatory pay decision was made. In other words: it's okay for employers to pay workers at unequal rates, so long as they can get away with it for at least 180 days. The Ledbetter Pay Act wasn't "designed to create a massive amount of new litigation," as Sen. McConnell would have it. What it does is restore the pre-Ledbetter interpretation used by nine Federal circuit courts and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Far from allowing victims to sue for unlimited amounts of back pay, the law would limit claims filed to a 2-year maximum. So even if the Senate could muster the support to pass the bill, much less override Bush's threatened veto, the best someone who'd worked for nearly 20 years at a discriminatory rate--like Lilly Ledbetter--could hope for would be two years' redress. And maybe some sense of restored justice."

4/25/2008 1:26:06 PM

Quote :

" "They're not listening to me because they're out of touch with reality and the Republican Party. We are the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan and this kind of campaigning is unacceptable," McCain told NBC's "Today" Show. "I've done everything that I can to repudiate and to see that this kind of campaigning does not continue," he added. Asked if the state party's unwillingness to heed his call raised questions about his leadership, McCain replied: "I don't know exactly how to respond to that." "

4/25/2008 3:58:04 PM

God, these guys look scary. 'Straight Talk Express' my ass.

Can't wait for the general!

4/25/2008 4:06:30 PM

Quote :

"the sooner you accept that Kainen is just an angry nerd the sooner you can begin to ignore his posts."

QFT

4/25/2008 7:28:37 PM

Quote :

"Senator Obama says that he doesn’t want to raise taxes on anybody over — making over $200,000 a year, yet he wants to nearly double the capital gains tax. Nearly double it, which 100 million Americans have investments in — mutual funds, 401(k)s — policemen, firemen, nurses. He wants to increase their taxes."

-John McCain
http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-mccain-on-abcs-this-week/

Capital gains taxes do not apply to 401(k) accounts in any way. Does McCain simply not know this, or is he lying?

4/28/2008 7:29:17 PM

thats weak...dems dont need to say shit like that...that makes them look like nit picky dweebs that are fighting for a foot to stand on, when in reality the stars are aligned for the dems this election cycle...nc repubs are in denile

[Edited on April 28, 2008 at 7:32 PM. Reason : .]

4/28/2008 7:30:51 PM

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"John McCain tured still hurricane-damaged areas of New Orleans and declared that if the disaster had happened on his watch, he would have immediately landed his plane at the nearest Air Force base. He offered a pledge Thursday to New Orleans residents that their situation will not be forgotten and that such a botched disaster response will never happen again."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080424/ap_on_el_pr/mccain;_ylt=AnJQhbz3MC5cLL5jWTjbMXis0NUE

(the photo was taken on August 29, 2005, btw.)

5/1/2008 1:35:56 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080501/wl_mcclatchy/2927033

5/2/2008 12:24:48 AM

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"My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will - that will then prevent us - that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East."

-- John McCain
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/05/mccain_suggests.html

5/2/2008 7:53:27 PM

yeah that one has some merit

5/2/2008 8:15:41 PM

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"My deepest fear is that drunknloaded gives us a closer look into the average American's psyche than anyone else on this board."

5/2/2008 8:44:04 PM

I'm pretty sure he was talking about the first gulf war.

5/2/2008 9:22:16 PM

Quote :

"Capital gains taxes do not apply to 401(k) accounts in any way. Does McCain simply not know this, or is he lying? "

I doubt he knows it because he's so wealthy anyway that he wouldn't miss the money if it were gone.

5/3/2008 12:04:57 AM

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"Now a conservative radio talk-show host, [G. Gordon] Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him. ... "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history---and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as "a prisoner of war." ... In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, he gave some advice to his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. . . . Kill the sons of bitches." He later backed off, saying he meant merely that people should defend themselves if federal agents came with guns blazing. But his amended guidance was not exactly conciliatory: Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn't enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets "Bill" and "Hillary" when he practiced shooting."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6061828.column

WHAT A LOVABLE MAVERICK!!!

5/5/2008 9:57:58 AM

i care about some radio talk show host that supports mccain even less than i care about reverend white

5/5/2008 10:00:48 AM

Agreed, just have to be wary of the people that push the Wright shit to the end of the earth but ignore other people's connections with convicted criminals who apparently seem to be advocating the murder of US officers.

5/5/2008 10:07:54 AM

^And vice versa.

Just because media coverage of Wright is excessive doesn't mean spookyjon's gotta be a douche and post about every idiot that McCain has ever been associated with.

5/5/2008 6:09:36 PM

As long as the incessant media coverage of Wright stays alive, I might as well post this shit. I'm far more concerned about the media's one-sidedness on the matter than I am about any of these associations.

Quote :

"I care about some radio talk show host that supports mccain even less than i care about reverend white"

Just be aware that by "some radio talk show host", you are actually talking about "some guy from Richard Nixon's inner circle who spent five and a half years in the joint for trying to steal the US presidential election for the Republican Party."

When the presumptive Republican candidate says "I'm proud of you...Congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great" about THAT guy, it should be of some nonzero level of concern to people who are into, you know, democracy.

5/5/2008 6:21:21 PM

if anything the media is now mocking their stupid coverage of it

5/5/2008 6:24:27 PM

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"As long as the incessant media coverage of Wright stays alive, I might as well post this shit. I'm far more concerned about the media's one-sidedness on the matter than I am about any of these associations."

Congratulations then, you are perpetuating the cycle of douchebaggery in politics. You might as well have a radio show. How does it feel to be a partisan hack?

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 6:26 PM. Reason : 2]

5/5/2008 6:25:09 PM

yeah 2 wrongs dont make a wright(pun intended)

5/5/2008 6:30:22 PM

BA DUM CHH

5/5/2008 6:40:04 PM

Quote :

"Congratulations then, you are perpetuating the cycle of douchebaggery in politics. You might as well have a radio show. How does it feel to be a partisan hack? "

Everyone here is perpetuating the douchebaggery by discussing these ancillary issues. It does make you (or at least me) feel dirty though.

5/5/2008 8:59:13 PM

the pwnage continues

and with historic loses in illinois and nc coming up for obama, it's gonna be over.



c'mon wright!! keep on talkin!! where'd ya go you dipshit!??!??

5/5/2008 9:47:29 PM

^ the gap is closing. And when Obama gets the win in NC, it could put him back on top.

You overestimate the attention span of people.

5/5/2008 10:27:15 PM

Who gives a shit? The election is 6 months away.

5/5/2008 10:30:10 PM

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"Especially since our own infastructure is either insufficient or starting to crumble."

hey, we don't need more baseload plants. We'll just keep building the cheap nat. gas ones. That won't run out anytime soon...

I'm sure the price will go back down soon...

right?

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 11:46 PM. Reason : ]

5/5/2008 11:45:57 PM

i'm like 80 percent sure they are gonna split the states...that way they both dont really have any momentum and this keeps dragging on

5/6/2008 3:20:43 AM

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"As with Sens. Clinton and Obama, McCain's personal wealth is dwarfed by that of his spouse. Cindy McCain has assets worth an estimated $40 million, based on information McCain has provided annually in Senate financial-disclosure reports. Compared with his wife, McCain is decidedly middle-class. Based on his tax return, he collects his Senate salary ($161,708), a Navy pension ($58,358), and some Social Security income ($23,157). The money he's earned over the years writing books ($176,508 in 2007 and about $1.8 million since 1998), he gives to charity. And that's pretty much it. Aside from a Wachovia checking account, in which he keeps between $15,000 and $50,000 (wouldn't some of that money earn more interest in a certificate of deposit?), all of the couple's assets are in Cindy's name. John McCain's tax return is so anemic, so marginal to the couple's actual financial situation, that he doesn't even take a deduction for interest on his home mortgage. Presumably Cindy does, since disclosure forms indicate that she has several mortgages."

http://www.slate.com/id/2189898/

Michelle Obama has released her tax returns. Bill Clinton has released his. Cindy McCain? When asked on the Today show this week when she plans to release her tax returns, she flatly stated that she will NEVER do so--even if her husband is elected to the presidency.

Let us not forget the huge pressure from the GOP in 2004 on John and Teresa Heinz Kerry for being in almost exactly the same position.

MAVERICK!!!

5/9/2008 5:46:52 PM

Since Rat loves his Gallup poll so much, Obama is back on top:




Obama has him edged out by 1% (probably within the margin of error)

McCain has been slipping up some too (relative to Obama), a trend that will likely continue as he is forced to move more in to the spotlight.

[Edited on May 9, 2008 at 11:53 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2008 11:52:53 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080510/ap_on_el_pr/gop_convention_resignation;_ylt=Ai2OrZso18Wth8IYUymTViOs0NUE

i guess i'll post this one since rat felt compelled to post a similar story on obama yesterday

the guy picked by mccain had ties to a lobbying firm that use to represent the Myanmar government, so he resigned

5/10/2008 7:15:27 PM

it's ok marko.

when the true "wright" effects kick in, and people see how little obama's really done to serve the United States b4, and also when the fallout from hillary clears the horizon...

this will be yet another dukakis for you hippy lovers.

obama bowled a 37.. probably a prelude to the % of votes he's going to get come november. lol

5/10/2008 8:52:11 PM

This is probably the cutest thread on the whole board.

5/11/2008 1:22:04 PM

^^

you're talking to the wrong guy

it's cool though, there's some m's and o's in both our screennames

one time i got seotaj and sarijoul mixed up

[Edited on May 11, 2008 at 1:31 PM. Reason : +]

5/11/2008 1:28:31 PM

remember when people said bush didnt have enough experience in 2000


yeah obama wont be as bad as bush

5/11/2008 6:10:15 PM

So, in addition for two of his top campaign aides taking money from the Burmese Junta, we've got Tom Loeffler "managing McCain's interests across a variety of intersecting universes -- donors, lobbyists Capitol Hill and the executive branch."

Tom Loeffler, in case you didn't know, took in about $5 million dollars last year lobbying for Saudi Arabia. That's a good gig to have on your resume.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/03/mccain_elevates_loeffler.html

5/14/2008 2:12:24 PM

Quote :

"By Michael D. Shear COLUMBUS,Ohio, MAY 15--Sen. John McCain will pledge this morning that the Iraq war can be won and most American troops can come home by 2013 if he is elected president, a position that closely resembles those of his potential Democratic rivals. According to speech exerpts released in advance, McCain will say that only a small contingent of troops in non-combat roles would remain in Iraq five years from now. He predicts the drawdown will be possible because al Qaeda in Iraq will be defeated and a democratic government will be operating in the war-torn country. In the excerpts, McCain describes in detail the "conditions I intend to achieve" by the time his first term in office ends. He says he will "focus all the powers of the office; every skill and strength I possess," to make that future a reality. McCain until now has resisted offering a timeline for withdrawal of U.S. troops, saying that to do so would be tantamount to giving terrorists a timeline for defeat. "

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/15/mccain_outlines_troop_withdraw.html?hpid=topnews
Because if there's one thing McCain's good at, it's predicting how long we're going to be in Iraq.

5/15/2008 10:22:32 AM

^
Well, judging how long the US should stay in Iraq given the realities on the ground is much more difficult than simply looking at polls to determine one's position on Iraq. Obama seems to have done well politically following the second path, but don't expect great things from the man that let's Gallup do his thinking for him.

5/15/2008 10:28:34 AM

If only McCain was as a good of a speaker as Obama

5/15/2008 10:33:08 AM

So, in defending President Bush for comparing Obama to Nazi appeasers, McCain pulled out this wonderful chestnut:

Quote :

"Yes, there have been appeasers in the past, and the president is exactly right, and one of them is Neville Chamberlain,'’ Mr. McCain told reporters on his campaign bus after a speech in Columbus, Ohio. “I believe that it’s not an accident that our hostages came home from Iran when President Reagan was president of the United States. He didn’t sit down in a negotiation with the religious extremists in Iran, he made it very clear that those hostages were coming home."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/15/mccain-agrees-with-bushs-remarks/

Seems like McCain needs a little history lesson.

Quote :

"In 1979, Iranian students took hostage 52 employees of the United States embassy in Iran. On January 20, 1981, the day Ronald Reagan became President, the hostages were freed following the Algiers Accords."

Who came up with the Algiers Accords? Warren Christopher and the Carter Administration. This evil practice of TALKING was what led to the release of these 52 hostages.

And let's not forget the Iran Contra Scandal.

Quote :

" The Iran-Contra affair was a political scandal which was revealed in 1986 as a result of earlier events during the Reagan administration. It began as an operation to increase U.S.-Iranian relations, wherein Israel would ship weapons to a moderate, politically influential group of Iranians opposed to the Ayatollah Khomeni; the U.S. would reimburse Israel with those weapons and receive payment from Israel. The moderate Iranians agreed to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the terrorist group Hezbollah. The plan eventually deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages, without the authorization of President Ronald Reagan. Large modifications to the plan were conjured by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985. In North's plan, a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua. While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause, he did not authorize this plan, nor was he aware that the funds were being sent to the Contras. After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Ronald Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages. The investigation was compounded when large volumes of documents relating to the scandal were destroyed or withheld from investigators by Reagan administration officials. On March 4, 1987, Reagan returned to the airwaves in a nationally televised address, taking full responsibility for any actions that he was unaware of, and admitting that "what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages." "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

Yep. Reagan NEVER negotiated with Iran.

5/16/2008 8:02:40 AM

Oh, and on a related note:

Quote :

"But given his own position on Hamas, McCain is the last politician who should be attacking Obama. Two years ago, just after Hamas won the Palestinian parliamentary elections, I interviewed McCain for the British network Sky News's "World News Tonight" program. Here is the crucial part of our exchange: I asked: "Do you think that American diplomats should be operating the way they have in the past, working with the Palestinian government if Hamas is now in charge?" McCain answered: "They're the government; sooner or later we are going to have to deal with them, one way or another, and I understand why this administration and previous administrations had such antipathy towards Hamas because of their dedication to violence and the things that they not only espouse but practice, so . . . but it's a new reality in the Middle East. I think the lesson is people want security and a decent life and decent future, that they want democracy. Fatah was not giving them that." "

Link

He was for talking to Hamas before he was against it.

5/16/2008 8:43:19 AM

5/19/2008 11:12:08 PM

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"i fail to see how anyone can justify the government essentially taking over the healthcare industry. might as well shred and burn the constitution, declaration of independence and the ideals this country was founded on."

You can't be serious.

5/20/2008 7:38:52 AM