Who says I'm better? But it beats taking some huge overarching blanket bullshit nihilist statement about good and decent men and women of our US government.

Say and spin and yank on what you want to about any of them, but Clinton, Obama, and McCain's lives of public service are like an elephant on the scales compared to you or I's green pea.

4/23/2008 4:40:46 PM

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"good and decent men and women of our US government."

there are lots of good men and women in our government

but none of them who make it far enough to be a presidential frontrunner have been good or decent in awhile...they've simply said and done what they've had to do to attain what they all want, which is power

4/23/2008 4:42:38 PM

terp we know you're a closet hillary supporter. and you'll crawl into your voting booth in november and vote for ralph nader anyways.

so don't sweat the small quips.

4/23/2008 4:43:10 PM

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"no one expcted him to win PA dude. Hell, 6 weeks ago people thought he'd get blown out. He cut the lead in half and cut into her demographics. Obama's campaign in FEBURARY said they were highly likely to lose given those demographics. When you have older white women and white dudes with no college degrees, you got a hillary vote. There's a gap, he can't identify with them and they can't with him. You'll see it all through the greater Appalachia! Bottom line. It still astonishes me that the meida, GOP and McCain, and the Clinton brand can continualy spin Obama into a thousand directions in the past month since Wright-gate and he STILL halves her lead, limits her to +10 delegates, and drives her $ to the red. "

It didn't astonish me, considering that he outspent her more than 3-to-1 in the state, bombarding them for more than 6 weeks with radio, television and phone advertisements. Politics is a money game, and Obama has more of it than anyone right now.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 4:44 PM. Reason : 2]

4/23/2008 4:43:27 PM

I wonder how he got all that gosh darn money!?!

4/23/2008 4:44:27 PM

The same way every politician does, by ass-kissing and making promises to wealthy groups.

Although I will give credit to Obama for raising a lot of money in small donations. His fundraising skills are impressive.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : 2]

4/23/2008 4:45:52 PM

hey, it isn't like those folks will 'unite' the country magically.. i mean, they can't even unite their party...

terp you're making good strides, just repeat after me "i terpy do solemny swear to support the GOP and it's tried and true ways..... "

(at least we won't bash as hard as those hillary-ites out there, just remember you are pretty close to pennsylvania, watch your back)

4/23/2008 4:46:38 PM

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"I wonder how he got all that gosh darn money!?! "

Im more concerned how he plans to get alot more involunatarily if he gets elected. Its one thing if you choose to send in your money, its another for him just to take it. There is a term for that.

4/23/2008 4:48:12 PM

yeah, taxes - it's how we finance our huge debt and failed world conquest

4/23/2008 4:50:05 PM

The GOP is a joke.

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"It didn't astonish me, considering that he outspent her more than 3-to-1 in the state, bombarding them for more than 6 weeks with radio, television and phone advertisements. Politics is a money game, and Obama has more of it than anyone right now. "

Compare TV and radio ads to Hillarys: Negative ads (including fear mongering Bin Laden ones), an ABC debate that was about as one sided and retarded as you're going to get, the entire political PA machine of Rendell/Nutter/and every mayor in the state which is invaluable b/c they know how to win and move votes.

Before the contest I'd take Hillary's advantages ALL DAY LONG.


And your comment about him raising his money from wealthy groups is a lie - most of his impressive and surplus donations have come in small, repeating amounts from a GIGANTIC number of grass roots internet raising. It's one of the most impressive things about his campaign.

It's not his fault that people stopped donating to Hillary because she's a loser already? I guarantee you if the shoe was on the other foot she'd cram more ads down your face than a bill clinton cream pie.

4/23/2008 4:52:07 PM

so quick to turn on the clintons

like eating your young

btw

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"The GOP is a joke."

the Dems ARENT? lolololol

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2008 4:53:19 PM

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"yeah, taxes - it's how we finance our huge debt and failed world conquest "

Yep, the massive increase in spending will help out the debt too. World conquest? Better than socialized state.... and cheaper I believe.

4/23/2008 4:59:19 PM

guys chill out. obama is perfect.

except for that terrorist buddy and his pastor of 20 years.

settle down

4/23/2008 5:00:06 PM

He was 8 when that guy did that. That's that, you can't make any mountains out of that molehill. And who gives a flying shit about his pastor. Are you some super Christian that it offends you that his chruch has a dude spouting out bullshit criticism that portends as the brimstone 'godly criticism' at his worst moment? It isn't the first time pastors do that, it's not the last.

Or maybe you're just really catty and you worry about stupid stretch associations that have nothing to do with ability to lead and be president?

I've never brought up John Hagee for instance with McCain...but that's an association almost as bad or worse, and McCainACCEPTED his endorsement for fear of upsetting the ridiculous evangelicals and their votes.

4/23/2008 5:09:40 PM

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"stupid stretch associations that have nothing to do with ability to lead and be president?"

i'll bet all of george w's cronies in the oil industry and those associations have nothing to do with ability to lead and be president

besides Wright is just the "crazy uncle", isnt that the adjective he used? the crazy uncle who wasnt your uncle when you were born, but instead you chose to have him advise you spiritually...that kind of uncle

4/23/2008 5:10:38 PM

I guess I'm of the opinion that Obama is not really religious but has to use it as a front to run for office. I get the sense when he talks about it that he's one of the more intellectual types that gets that religion is all tales, stories, and fear, with some good lessons thrown in but more bad to outweigh them.

And that doesn't bother me as all as I'm agnostic and could give a shit what religion our president or any official has. It has no place in government as far as i'm concerned.

Can't run for president with that ethos though, so Obama chose the wrong church. I can concede he should have seen that coming though. That's the only area at which I will say he had a little bad judgement....

4/23/2008 5:17:32 PM

^^Who cares? Wright's name was drug through the mud by Fox News. You don't know him, you know the 15 second clips they took from 30 years of preaching. I haven't heard 1 person, black or white, who knows the man PERSONALLY say ANYTHING bad about him! The closest was Obama saying he was bitter from growing up in an are where he couldn't even sit next to your dad on the bus.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 5:19:04 PM

^^i'm an agnostic too

just seems like at some point over the years, when obama heard wright bashing whites and bashing the US and coming up with ridiculous claims, he'd realize that he "chose the wrong church" (I'll bet his wife actually chose the church...women...lol) and try to cut ties...doesn't seem like it would take him 20 years or however long he's been attending that church to realize it

^wow, are you seriously still trying to act like wright isnt a racist and is a good person? holy shit...i figured most Obama supporters had realized that by now

4/23/2008 5:19:38 PM

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"when obama heard wright bashing whites and bashing the US"

You're a tool, I can't believe you think Wright's really like that. What other tales has Fox News taught you?

Maybe you will watch this, maybe you're scared to because you're in love with the idea that Wright is a racist



[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 5:21:04 PM

always trying to insinuate some conspiracy by a tv channel i dont watch, instead of ignoring FACTS

4/23/2008 5:22:03 PM

keep posting that video


i think its awesome that your talking points as dems are the same ones al qaeda is using.

and don't worry, i'm sure obama will be touring (with carter) the historic areas of hamas and it's leaders one day too


none of this will suprise me

4/23/2008 5:26:08 PM

yeah when I said whites invented AIDS...that was out of context...I mean in context it made perfect sense...when I called for the extermination of the white race...that too was out of context...you really had to hear the whole speech to get the full message

4/23/2008 5:28:10 PM

Terp wont admit that wright is racist.. but again wont address the US of KKK or that whites created HIV to kill blacks.... nah, thats not racist. LOL

But you better not say Obama is a good speaker... hot damn there is some racism.

Terp, I know I give you alot of shit. My gut feeling is you are a pretty nice guy. You are just SO emotional over your candidate that you tend to really contradict yourself and blow off reason.

4/23/2008 8:36:42 PM

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"Terp wont admit that wright is racist.. but again wont address the US of KKK or that whites created HIV to kill blacks.... nah, thats not racist. LOL But you better not say Obama is a good speaker... hot damn there is some racism. Terp, I know I give you alot of shit. My gut feeling is you are a pretty nice guy. You are just SO emotional over your candidate that you tend to really contradict yourself and blow off reason. "

what it seems being a democrat or a republican has come down to

4/23/2008 8:39:29 PM

either you're for obama or you're full blown kkk

4/23/2008 8:43:07 PM

oh i was going on either you think what wright said is racist or not

4/23/2008 8:53:47 PM

^ that's silly, no one is saying that. In fact why is race coming up in this exactly? I don't think it has shit to do with shit. Except for the Wright thing and the black demographic vote being so overwhelmingly Obama...naturally some guarded white people, and yes, racist white people get intimidated.

Look - Wright just said some stupid bullshit, as do a billion preachers I hear. When I was a kid my parents made me go to this vile baptist church and there was this complete asshole preacher that said some real fucking zingers about sororities being full of whores (ok maybe that's true. lol) and gays needing to burn in hell, and all sorts of bullshit.

In fact evangelicals like Hagee are worse! I remember watching these guys out in Colorado Springs (that have the GOP's votes by the way) in a movie documentary out a year or two ago called Jesus Camp, and they were FAR SCARIER than Wright.....people made Wright look like a cinnabon.

I'll never forgot these crazy evangelists and their sadistic jesus camp indoctrinated kids had a cardboard cut out of Bush and did a prayer to bush daily. Unbelievable.

To your point treetwista, I think that Obama didn't realize it was THAT bad. I really don't think he realized or knew the height of it. And partially I bet you money is because if you logged his chuch attendance, you'd find he was hardly in the pews! (which goes back to my point about it being a front for him being religious as an necessity). And even when he was in the pews, those soundbytes were likely the worst the guy said over a 30 year career. He was an ex-marine and all, he did serve his country. Oh well.

Not saying I'm agreeing with the statements, but come on people - let's grow some backbones and not be so pussy about this situation and 'OMG CONCERN ASSOCIATONSTHAT OBAMA SEES IT LIKE HIS CHURCH'S PREACHER'

Sigh. Doesn't matter, I will not change anyone's mind...more talking to myself.



[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 9:11 PM. Reason : -]

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 9:15 PM. Reason : 3]

4/23/2008 9:09:51 PM

CLINTON DID IT!!!1

4/23/2008 9:14:39 PM

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"Terp, I know I give you alot of shit. My gut feeling is you are a pretty nice guy. You are just SO emotional over your candidate that you tend to really contradict yourself and blow off reason."

wow

you must have some crazy extraordinary emotional intelligence to know this over my posts on a message board

btw - I never contradicted myself once, and you're saying I "blow off reason" just because my reasoning is different than yours.

If you're saying I'm SO emotional over "my" candidate, you have to concede that you're just as SO emotional over the SAME candidate - or else that statement is complete bullshit

4/23/2008 9:15:44 PM

no, I gathered my opinion from the fact you went to college, work, and you are trying to better yourself by going to law school. Those are good qualities.

Like I told you before, I do think you act very immature at times. Sure I think you blow off reason. You chase your tail around trying not to answer or admit guilt if it is associated with your candidate. Rev wright NOT being racist... claims he spoke out about whites controlling america..thats all. Then ignore the comments I posted earlier.

Ive been pretty clear. I dont want either socialist to win. I get emotional over my income, not emotional over defending a candidate. You dont like mccain? Me either. I dislike him less than the marx brothers...er sister..whatever.

4/23/2008 9:26:48 PM

I actually do like McCain at times, and I think overall he's a better person than Hillary Clinton (who doesn't?)

I just disagree with the fundamentals of the "conservative" economics - which on average has netted us TONS more national debt in my lifetime. You say democrats are fiscally irresponsible, but I believe it's the conservatives who are; who pays off the national debt? who earns money off the treasury bonds that fund our deficits? Mostly rich people. blah blah rich republicans blah blah crazy religious republicans, blah blah blah - damn i get tired or repeating myself

THEN THERE IS THE WAR

So, I guess I would have to vote for Hillary between her and McCain because of these 2 huge disagreements I have with McCain... other than that, I think the guy's awesome.

[Edited on April 23, 2008 at 9:42 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2008 9:42:02 PM

Nice reasonable arguement. kudos.

First let me say I dont consider W to be anything close to conservative. He did cut taxes..good. But then introduced massive spendings, including a massive NEW entitlement program while running deficit. Totally unacceptable..Totally. Then you have the amnesty bill, again totally unacceptable.

Who pays off our national debt? The real answer is NONE OF THEM. Clinton borrowed against SS to get the "surplus" its basically cooking the books. But that money is just borrowed for future generations to pay off.

The main reason I cant support either dem is the massive spending. If we had a politician that said, we are terribly in debt. WE need to cut spending across the board and raise taxes across the board to get out of this mess" He would have my support, bc that is just what needs to happen. But to admit we are in serious debt, and propose MASSIVE NEW programs and spending is just ridiculous. Esp when thier palpable tax the "rich" proposals will only bring in a fraction of the amount. EIther they are lying on the programs, or lying about how is taxed and how much. Either way I dont like it.

There was a republican senator that proposed a budget admendment to actually fund some of obama's proposals, showing how ridiculously expensive they are. The amendment, which Allard calls “The Obama Spend-o-Rama” proposes funding 111 of the 188 spending proposals put out so far during Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.)

Here is the link
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25496

I think you will just dismiss it, but it does illustrate just how costly and impractical these proposals are.

4/23/2008 9:58:51 PM

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"yeah when I said whites invented AIDS...that was out of context...I mean in context it made perfect sense...when I called for the extermination of the white race...that too was out of context...you really had to hear the whole speech to get the full message "

The AIDS thing was dumb.

But he never called for the extermination of the white race (I guess it's telling though when you resort to a blatant lie to support your position), and it's pretty obvious that he doesn't think blacks are superior to whites, and that he doesn't hate white people (he actively invited them to his church).

4/24/2008 12:33:15 AM

You guys are crazy Wright can't be racist.....only white people can be racist.

I think that Rat had a good point on page 1 that Hillary is winning and doing better in the states the Dems need to take the election. You know it doesn't matter which one wins the nomination some states (see: North Carolina and most of the South) are voting for McCain.

4/24/2008 2:52:52 AM

*words below*

I am really amazed at how much weight is being given to Pastor Wright's comments, with respect to Obama. People are so caught up on things Obama (the actual candidate, btw) didn't even say. Is/was Wright kind of crazy? Probably. Were his comments downright ridiculous? Yes. Does that have anything at all to do with Obama being a worthy candidate to be president? Absolutely not.

Think about it. Look at TWW as a whole. There is so much stupid, racist, sexist, pornographic (including a dash of child porn), and plainly insensitive content on here... sometimes I can't believe I still log on. But I do. And so does everyone else on here. So if you were running for some office, applying for a job, trying to date someone, etc.; how would you take it if the decision-maker looked at this website and thought, "OMG, look at all of the trash and smut on that message board... and he/she is a registered member by choice? He/she is obviously not fit for this office/job/date." Because some people (in his case, one person) you choose to be associated with are off their rocker, has absolutely no bearing on who you are as a person in any way, shape or form. Now if he was his personal advisor, assistant or something like that... then maybe it would be relevant. But his pastor? Really? If you don't like Obama or his policies or whatever - fine. But to make it be about comments his pastor said? Come on.

I like Obama because I believe in what he is saying. I agree with many of his views/goals and how he plans to achieve them. Most of America could benefit from better gov't programs and assistance, but there's no free lunch. I, for one, am more than willing to pay taxes to have them. I think of it as being in the same family as "paying dues" in any other association or group.

With the state of the economy, the value of the US dollar, the housing market, unemployment (jobs going overseas), and yes - the infamous gas prices... I don't see how anyone can say Bush has done a good job. (Not even taking into account the war itself). But this all is my opinion. That's all. Agree or not, I'm entitled to it as much as you are to yours, so flaming is not necessary.



[Edited on April 24, 2008 at 6:48 AM. Reason : .]

4/24/2008 6:25:08 AM

This is basically the deal here.

4/24/2008 7:48:30 AM

Why cant Obama win the big states???? Why is he winning SOLID republican states that neither Hill or him have a snowballs chance in hell in winning in the General (ie ALL the south, sorry, McCain will beat either by double digits in all the states Obama won in the South). Heck, he is winning states that he has no chance AGAINST McCain. Hills voters will probably vote for McCain and then Obama will get creamed and when McCain is like 100 in 4 years Hill will run again on a "I told you so" tour.....he cant bring CHANGE unless he is ELECTED which he has a very very difficult path. Even Hill has a difficult path but not as difficult as Obama. Fl is in play with Hill, not for Obama.

and race is playing a issue in this, if his name was Bob White, he wouldnt have a chance, and he wouldnt be getting 90% of the african american votes. Hill, is getting the racist old farts and educated voters. Sad to say, but the people that vote the most arent the young in Obama's corner, it is the old folks (happens every presidential election, OMG, the young people are coming out to vote....OMG.....and it never happens)

4/24/2008 8:04:18 AM

I think people are making a mistake when they think that McCain will sweep the South. Obama is energizing a lot of new voters, a lot of black voters, and the South is the blackest part of the country in terms of both straight numbers and percentages. According to the 2000 US census, 18.5% of the South self-identifies as African American, the North-east comes in second at 11.0. There are 15.8m self-identifying blacks in the South vs. 5.7m in the midwest (the next closest). No non-metropolitan area outside the South exceeds 25% black population.

Hell, Mississippi alone is 37% black. Given the historical trend of literally 98% of the black vote going to Democratic candidates, if Obama wins only 1/3 of the white vote he'll carry Mississippi. Not that Miss is a powerhouse state, but Republicans can't count on the old Confederacy to be a lock-up for them. Virginia will probably go for Obama, North and South Carolina will be close.


This election will revolve around turnout, and right now Obama is turning them out.



And you're all fools to assume politics has anything to do with what a candidate believes in, if they believe in anything.

4/24/2008 8:16:12 AM

WHAT DOES LOSING A "BIG STATE" TO HILLARIOUS CLINTON IN THE PRIMARIES HAVE TO DO WITH THE GENERAL ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Somebody explain to me how losing PA, TX, OR means he will lose them to McCain in the general election!!!

I dont get it.

4/24/2008 9:07:18 AM

especially when both hillary and obama have turned out more votes than mccain (or any other republican) in basically every primary

4/24/2008 9:08:14 AM

Actually, Barack won TX - Hillary is just saying she won it b/c she loves twisting the rules to work in her favor

4/24/2008 9:24:23 AM

People also forget that Obama will put the Mountain West at play more than anyone is taking into account right now. Obama is clearly a stronger contender in Colorado, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Iowa, maybe even Virginia....Louisiana, Georgia are possibilities. NC a stretch.

What will matter is how he can perform in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Ohio, and Missouri. I think if he puts 2 of those in his column he'll beat McCain. I think there's a fair shot he can.

He'll have to keep Michigan blue though...

4/24/2008 10:52:52 AM

WHERE IS YOUR MOCHA COLORED GOD NOW

Seriously, if this primary has shown us anything, it's that Obama is extremely vulnerable. Obama gets the spoiled white elitist young liberal vote and the black vote. Every other demographic is Hillary's and a good number of those are Reagan Democrats (you know, the kind of people who turn to God and guns, oh my!11!!!).

Spin and rationalize all you want, but Obama is a walking wounded candidate who can't close the deal, considering how he lambasted the airwaves in PA and still got his ass handed to him.

4/24/2008 11:35:09 AM

Got his ass handed to him? When where? Hillary had a 20 point lead. He managed to cut that in half in a month, with all the negativity floating around.

People keep saying, he cant close the deal. What is the deal??? What deal is he supposed to be closing? Hillary has stated plenty of times she is running til the end. Obama says she has the right to run til the end. So what deal is he supposed to be closing??

Winning the popular vote, number of states, and number of delegate........ the deal has already been closed

4/24/2008 11:52:46 AM

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"But he never called for the extermination of the white race (I guess it's telling though when you resort to a blatant lie to support your position)"

I guess your right...it was Wright's good friend Kamau Kambon who called for the extermination of the white race, not Wright himself...but we've learned lately from Obama supporters, that it really doesn't matter what kind of people you closely associate with, even if the man who you chose to be your spiritual advisor is good friends with someone who has publicly called for the genocide of the white race...unless that person is the one running for President, it makes no difference who you've associated with, no matter how batshit crazy they might be

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"What is the deal??? What deal is he supposed to be closing? "

probaby the democratic nomination for president of the united states this year...i mean people have been acting like he's got it locked up for weeks if not months...when is he going to close that deal? anybody who looked at the numbers after hillary won pennsylvania knows this race is nowhere near the consensus indisputable lock that obama supporters have been claiming recently...until one of them gets 2025 votes, nobody has shit sewn up

4/24/2008 11:53:43 AM

He cant force her to drop out. All he can do is continue to get votes and delegates, which he is doing. He is far enough head to where she cant catch up. PERIOD!! its simple math.

This is why Clinton supporters are clinging to "she won big states" and "she is more electable". When in fact winning a big state in a primary doesnt have shit to do with winning it in the general election. And polls show he is more electable.

4/24/2008 11:59:22 AM

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"even if the man who you chose to be your spiritual advisor is good friends "

and THAT man is good friends with Kareem Abdul Jabar

DO YOU WANT A BUNCH OF BASKETBALL DRIBBLING COONS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY?

4/24/2008 12:02:31 PM

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"He is far enough head to where she cant catch up. PERIOD!! its simple math."

the only simple math is that neither of them have 2025 votes yet. PERIOD!!

how come people just like to ignore that little fact

its like you'd rather trust polls than actual vote counts

^Bill Bradley is in the NBA Hall of Fame and he is a former US Senator

thats about the only response your moronic post deserves

4/24/2008 12:03:37 PM

Yeah, my post was moronic, I agree. It followed the same exact moronic logic as your post from which I quoted

4/24/2008 12:09:39 PM

so terpball, you gonna ever address that "Whites created the AIDS virus" claim? Since you like to say how Wright isn't a racist and everything is out of context...wanna address that AIDS thing or continue to ignore it again and again? I'm guessing the latter

btw this whole thread is hilarious...hillary wins by 9.5 points or whatever...you create an entire thread to bitch about 9.5 getting rounded up to 10

that in itself is classic

4/24/2008 12:12:59 PM