coke has never ruined any lives

5/8/2008 10:13:36 AM

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"How many lives has everyone ruined by being human?"

generally, life-ruining activities (like dealing drugs) is punished by jail time...this case is consistent with that.

5/8/2008 10:14:09 AM

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"That is the most retarted thing i have ever heard. I believe you have been listening to closely to the DEA propraganda. The ironic thing is b.c of its high mark up; some of the biggest users of coke are some of the wealthiest most successful members of our society since they can afford to pay for it. "

cool. when you have a child I am sure you would have no problem with them doing coke since it is so harmless.

5/8/2008 10:16:15 AM

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"More people die from drinking to much alcohol every year then the number of people who OD on all illegal drugs combined. FUCK BUDWEISER they ruin peoples lives and devastate families. Lets shut them down b.c their poison product hurts society!"

^ Honestly if they are 18 and taking care of themselves and wanted to experiment; it is not my place to tell them not to.

The stories of the cokehead living in the street are the EXCEPTION not the norm. I would gamble that the vast majority of people who use coke; do so occasionally and all do not "devastate" their lives.



[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ll]

5/8/2008 10:17:33 AM

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"I believe you have been listening to closely to the DEA propraganda."

I have observed closely the literal erosion of friends' personalities, lives, relationships, opportunities, etc

but i must just be listening to propaganda!

5/8/2008 10:17:43 AM

if alcohol was legal, i would abide by the law and not consume it. since it is not illegal, i will continue to drink it. there are lots of things that are legal and bad for you. some are worse than others, and society has deemed it important to control them.

this is a huge metaphorical flaw that the druggies always toss out there.

5/8/2008 10:19:50 AM

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"I have observed closely the literal erosion of friends' personalities, lives, relationships, opportunities, etc [u]because of ALCOHOL, WORLD OF WARCRAFT, PRESCRIPTION PILLS, ETC but i must just be listening to propaganda! "

whats your point

5/8/2008 10:21:00 AM

the point apparently is you dont know shit about what coke does to people or you wouldnt be so foolishly defending these guys

like i said, i pretty much agree about the weed, how it doesnt really cause big problems, etc, that it would be a shame for some kids to have their lives ruined over some weed

but you're very ignorant to this drug if you keep trying to defend coke dealers

5/8/2008 10:22:37 AM

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"there are lots of things that are legal and bad for you. some are worse than others, and society has deemed it important to control them. "

So is pot worse then alcohol. I BEG you to provide some evidence to support how pot fucks up more lives and is more dangerous then alcohol. The DEA webpage and the "liveabovetheinfluence" website do not count.

^

i'll give in to this statement

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ;]

5/8/2008 10:22:39 AM

I never wrote that I thought weed was worse than alcohol. this was a sting, by and large, based on coke.

if I am being honest, I dont think weed is bad for you. there are certainly things worse for you (based on what I have read) like alcohol, cigs and fast food.

if I am also being honest, I used to think I would support recreational legalization of weed. however, over the past few years I have reversed my opinion of that. it should be used for medicinal purposes bc I do think it can help some people, but I now would never support legalized recreational use. I think it provides a crucial barrier to the more harmful shit out there...for example, teens are going to 'rebel' and smoke a little pot because it is illegal. not much harm comes from that. if the illegal part of that is out of the equation...what is the next drug 'step' that teens will start using to rebel? meth? coke? that shit has the potential to cause tons more harm.

it is hard to explain this point...did that make any sense?

5/8/2008 10:37:30 AM

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"the point apparently is you dont know shit about what coke does to people or you wouldnt be so foolishly defending these guys like i said, i pretty much agree about the weed, how it doesnt really cause big problems, etc, that it would be a shame for some kids to have their lives ruined over some weed but you're very ignorant to this drug if you keep trying to defend coke dealers"

agreed, coke is really bad for your health, but the majority of the violence robbery ect... associtated with it is a direct result of it being illegal (note: not advocating the legality of it). The mere fact that it is illegal drives the price to a level that makes it a very lucrative venture, which in turn causes most of the non health issues associated with it. The root problem is the demand for it, and the demand isn't going anywhere, nor can it be forced into declining.

5/8/2008 10:44:02 AM

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"I think it provides a crucial barrier to the more harmful shit out there...for example, teens are going to 'rebel' and smoke a little pot because it is illegal. not much harm comes from that. if the illegal part of that is out of the equation...what is the next drug 'step' that teens will start using to rebel? meth? coke?"

LOL; ZOMG POT's A GATEWAY DRUG..

How about teens smoke b.c they want to get high? BTW if our gov't instituted a responsible marijuana policy like alcohol then there would be an age limit. Therefore your so called rebellious teens could still get their jollies of sneaking behind their parents back since it would be illegal for them to smoke pot.

Not to mention the whole pot-> meth -> coke thing is a false fallacy.

Never when i was a teen did i hear anybody i know go "OH Boy my dad made me so angry today; I think I am going to get some pot just to get back at him and be rebellious"

5/8/2008 10:51:08 AM

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"he's bending over as far as possible to defend some coke dealers just because he thinks all drugs should be legal regardless of how bad coke fucks up peoples lives get a clue"

that's right, because people have a right to poison themselves (why shouldn't they? they can with alcohol and tobacco...)

and, no matter how many times you beat the drum of "coke ruins lives" you seem to forget

I never said that coke doesn't have the potential to ruin lives or that it doesn't ruin lives

alcohol ruins lives

tobacco ruins lives

24-hour groceries with junk food ruin lives

pharmaceuticals ruin lives

(you are the one that needs to "get a clue")

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"no, I didnt lose. I didnt deal drugs, nor do I do them. I am not going to pound me in the ass prison for said things."

idiot

you didn't lose because you did/dealt drugs (but thanks for putting words in my mouth)

you lost because you are a bigoted and irrational loser that thinks he has a crystal ball

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"it will catch up to you in some form"

wait, what?

what will catch up to me?

are you referring to drug use? or drug dealing?

is your crystal ball now telling you that people who defend drug use or sales are necessarily users themselves?

where does your bigotry end?

answer me: what will catch up to me? what about the future are you now claiming to know?

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"answer this: so the chick who died due to the coke in her system that spawned this sting- her life is not ruined? her parents, friends and family are not devestated?"

yes, but not by the dealers -- she would've likely got it from somewhere else (drugs are everywhere)

no one put a gun to her head and forced her to od -- how is it that I've tried coke, and yet I didn't od?

GET A CLUE

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"coke has never ruined any lives [sarcasm]"

again, I never said that it hadn't

individual instances of individuals exercising irresponsibility resulting in unintended harm to themselves is a tragedy

but one solely caused by themselves. period.

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"generally, life-ruining activities (like dealing drugs) is punished by jail time"

dealing drugs, in no way, ruins lives. IN NO WAY.

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"How many lives have they liquor producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

Quote :

"How many lives have they car producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

Quote :

"How many lives have they tobacco producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

Quote :

"How many lives have they gun producers/retailers ruined by peddling their wares?"

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"How many lives have they casinos ruined by peddling their wares services?"

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"How many lives have they nevada hookers ruined by peddling their wares services?"

ZERO. ZERO LIVES.


funny how I'm answering your questions, but you're not answering mine

(you're in over you head, buddy)

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"when you have a child I am sure you would have no problem with them doing coke since it is so harmless."

this is the kind of irrational bullshit you bigots like to spew

defending the responsible use or sale of drugs by adults IN NO WAY endorses or condones allowing one's child to use coke

why do you seem to think that you are making meaningful points -- 'cause you're not

you're just showing exactly how drug bigots, like yourself, jump to conclusions and act like they know the future

your bigotry is truly sad, almost too sad to laugh at

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"I have observed closely the literal erosion of friends' personalities, lives, relationships, opportunities, etc but i must just be listening to propaganda!"

that's right

'cause only someone stupid enough to be persuaded to think like said propaganda is designed to do

could think something as stupid as you:

(that since you've seen individuals suffer from drugs, then all individuals using drugs must also; or that it's the dealer's fault)

I'm willing to bet I've seen nearly as many lives ruined from the individual irresponsible abuse of drugs

and that's why I feel so strongly that they should be legalized -- because prohibition makes it more dangerous

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"if alcohol was legal, i would abide by the law and not consume it."

assuming you did, you would be the biggest tool ever

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"there are lots of things that are legal and bad for you. some are worse than others, and society the bigoted majority has deemed it important to control them."

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"this is a huge metaphorical flaw that the druggies always toss out there"

no, the only flaw is in your way of thinking

I almost admire your blind respect for the law -- I'm sure you only do so because you actually think it means you're ethical

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"the point apparently is you dont know shit about what coke does to people or you wouldnt be so foolishly defending these guys"

what does it do?

I've tried coke

bush tried coke

obama tried coke

damn, our lives have been ruined!!!

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"it would be a shame for some kids to have their lives ruined over some weed"

'cause you do weed, and don't want to look like a hypocrite.

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"it is hard to explain this point...did that make any sense?"

yeah, it made sense because you're a drug bigot with a crystal ball

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"but the majority of the violence robbery ect... associtated with [coke] is a direct result of it being illegal"

exactly

in fact, said violence and robbery harms more lives than the addiction and/or abuse of the drugs

that's been pretty much established for decades

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"LOL; ZOMG POT's A GATEWAY DRUG.."

yeah, I can't believe he actually went there -- hur, these bigots are hopeless

they are classic "textbook" examples of drug bigotry (book yet to be written?)

if it weren't somewhat fun to respond to them, I'd've stopped trying to knock some sense into them a while ago




[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 11:04 AM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 10:56:52 AM

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"LOL; ZOMG POT's A GATEWAY DRUG.. How about teens smoke b.c they want to get high? BTW if our gov't instituted a responsible marijuana policy like alcohol then there would be an age limit. Therefore your so called rebellious teens could still get their jollies of sneaking behind their parents back since it would be illegal for them to smoke pot. Not to mention the whole pot-> meth -> coke thing is a false fallacy. Never when i was a teen did i hear anybody i know go "OH Boy my dad made me so angry today; I think I am going to get some pot just to get back at him and be rebellious" "

you must have gotten a zero in reading comprehension.

nowhere did I say I think pot is a gateway drug. in fact, I implied the opposite. it is the first 'illegal' step a person can take. often, that first step satisfies their need to go further or 'rebel', which is why pot being illegal is good. it is not addictive, not expensive and doesnt really urge the user to take the next step.

now, imagine pot is legal. the first 'illegal' drug step to take is coke or meth, both of which are very addicting, expensive and harmful. the pot acts as a good buffer between the legal stuff and the harmful illegal stuff IMO. if it is legal, it is also probably a lot harder to get (like beer).

5/8/2008 11:02:38 AM

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"now, imagine pot is legal. the first 'illegal' drug step to take is coke or meth"

no, the first 'illegal" step would be underage drinking or pot smoking

(you're so funny for arguing gateway drug theory, but not admitting that you are.)

"NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GATEWAY THEORY, BECAUSE I'M CALLING IT SOMETHING ELSE"

(give up)

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 11:08 AM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 11:08:01 AM

392 is actually one of the main reasons I have changed my opinion on whether I thought pot should be legalized. In all seriousness, I used to think it wasnt that bad, but his rampant, obvious and excessive use of the substance has clearly, CLEARLY fucked up his brain.

congrats dude, you actually pushed me to the opposite end of the spectrum with your ranting and word usage like:

"drug bigot"

you are such a fucking douchenozzle, its not even funny. I am not going to waste my time making you look anymore like a fool than you already have done to yourself.

in general, my opinion is that I think it is ok drugs are illegal. I support the drug laws. we have enough shit in our society as it is that is bad for you, we dont need anymore. therefore, I do respect the laws on it and believe that violators should be prosecuted to the FULLEST.

these fratastic drug dealers are getting whats been coming to them. they deserve all of it because they knowingly and openly broke the law.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 11:11 AM. Reason : .dude]

5/8/2008 11:09:21 AM

I DO NOT BELIEVE POT IS A GATEWAY DRUG.

do I have to write it any clearer, or has the THC crushed your remaining brain cells beyond recognition?

5/8/2008 11:12:50 AM

you are a "drug bigot"

if the many other instances in this thread of your using mere prejudice to arrive at conclusions wasn't enough

you've done it again:

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"his rampant, obvious and excessive use of [pot]"

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"or has the THC crushed your remaining brain cells"

what evidence (in this thread, I've disclosed my use in other threads) do you have that I use pot?

or that my use is "rampant" or "excessive"?

oh right, it's simply the fact that I'm defending something you don't agree with

that's your "evidence"

I guess lawyers that defend murderers only do so, because they also are murderers

(dude, please just stop -- anyone with half a brain reading this thread sees clearly through your bigoted bullshit)

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"I DO NOT BELIEVE POT IS A GATEWAY DRUG."

yeah, what you're saying is "sorta" the opposite

but you're still relying on the assumption that abuse patterns exhibited by teens justify prohibitions on adults

pretty stupid really (not to mention wrong, as I pointed out that underage drinking/smoking would be the first illegal "step")

it's also funny how you seem to think people would tend to view coke or meth as no more serious than alcohol or pot

(liquids and herbs consumed for thousands of years are clearly leagues different than modern refined white powders)



either answer the many questions I've asked you that you haven't addressed

or just give up

(you lose)

5/8/2008 11:29:20 AM

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"people have a right to poison themselves"

we should all poison ourselves with coke! the world would be a great place!

5/8/2008 11:43:27 AM

while i'm not a proponent of coke, i do not really see any reason it should be outlawed more than alcohol. through legalization and regulation people could learn more earnestly the problems associated with coke abuse, much as we are aware the issues with alcohol abuse. However, in its given prohibition all evils that are attributed to cocaine abuse appear to the user as propaganda. I do believe there can be use without abuse, but before that can take place people have to truly understand the dangers associated with a product. Cigarettes are a prime example of this. All out prohibition does not work, and creates more harm than good. 50% of the people in our current prison system are there for non-violent drug offenses. When you add the value and resources associate with that and place them in concert with the money and other resources involved in maintaining such an ineffective war on drugs there is no semblance of anything that results in either a good investment or a positive outcome on society.

5/8/2008 11:51:48 AM

^^the instances of OD wouldn't be much different based solely on legality of said substance....you can legally "posion" yourself with alcohol, but it doesn't really happen that often.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

5/8/2008 11:52:26 AM

i just think anybody who would honestly argue for legalizing cocaine either hasnt seen how it ruins lives (and not just the lives of the people doing the coke) or is so much of a devout libertarian that they are willing to let people ruin their lives just so they can have that freedom, regardless of how bad it would be for society

should we legalize PCP and crystal meth too? fuck no

5/8/2008 11:55:17 AM

Outright legalization probably isn't the best idea, but as stated earlier, many of the non-health related problems are a direct result of the fact that the substance is illegal. there is no clear solution, but it's pretty clear that the current government approach only makes it more profitable to run an operation, which adds to the overall problem.

5/8/2008 12:00:43 PM

^^^^
exactly

(I'm not a proponent of coke either, but according to these guys, advocating for legalization of coke somehow amounts to that)

^^^
exactly

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"we should all poison ourselves with coke! the world would be a great place!"

great logic there:

"one has a right to poison oneself == one should poison oneself"

yeah, no logical flaws there

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"should we legalize PCP and crystal meth too?"

yes

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"i just think.......[your thoughts]"

that's fine

you can think that (because of your prejudice)

but thinking it doesn't make you correct

5/8/2008 12:02:05 PM

pot is a gateway drug

5/8/2008 12:02:57 PM

the government isn't here to guide people from cradle to grave. people are slowly losing their sense of personal responsibility and a respect for accountability. If someone decides to allow a drug to take hold of them then so be it, as it is their responsibility to either not do the drug or do it in moderation as to not ruin their lives. this is a personal choice that they should make.

i have seen some people who have taken coke and it have no hold or affect on their lives despite the frequency in which they used it. Also i have seen people who used only marijuana and it has had a horrible effect on their life. mostly they have alienated themselves away from their friends and family, and used marijuana to escape rather than handling their own problems. essentially the same sort of deterioration that can occur with abuse of most any substance. the drug usually isn't to blame as much as the person who took it is.

5/8/2008 12:03:29 PM

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"TreeTwista10: should we legalize PCP and crystal meth too?""

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"392: yes"

its amazing how you're so quick to tell others they are 100% wrong and you say some shit like this

wow you are so out of touch with the effects of drugs its mind boggling

5/8/2008 12:04:28 PM

^^^
oh god, not this guy

he's the supreme leader of the drug bigots

^^
exactly

exactly

exactly

thank you


^
whatever, bigot

5/8/2008 12:05:15 PM

i'm a bigot because i dont think PCP and Crystal Methamphetamines shouldnt be legalized

holy shit your mind is some kind of fucked up

5/8/2008 12:08:56 PM

As for the PCP and meth issue. I'll admit i'm not entirely internally consistent when it comes to these drugs, but a portion of me does believe that these drugs should also be legalized but regulated as well with a focus on higher regulations for more harsh drugs. the thing about drugs is that people who choose to do them are going to do them once they've become "hooked" on it regardless of their legality. The solution here is restricting access. Regulation would more effectively restrict access than prohibition clearly has. furthermore people often become attached to harder drugs because they are available to try when seeking out a lesser drug, a response which would decrease under strict regulation; moreover, meth is often used because of lack of access to other substances since it can easily be made at home and thus easily distributed, something that would also be eased with strict regulation.

5/8/2008 12:09:30 PM

have you ever seen what PCP does to someone???

5/8/2008 12:10:31 PM

yes,I have seen what PCP can do because i have taken it. After some attempts I didn't have any desire to ever do it again. That was a personal choice. I decided its not what I wanted to do, but had I become hooked on it and allowed it to mean more to me than the other things involved in my life, that would have been a personal choice as well and it would be I, not the drug, who is to blame.

5/8/2008 12:12:29 PM

Marijuana is a gateway drug. Find me one person who uses hard drugs that did not smoke marijuana.

That is not to say, however, that marijuana should be illegal.

5/8/2008 12:14:21 PM

I'd suggest that alcohol is the true gateway drug. By leaps and bounds those who have tried marijuana have tried drinking first before they ever moved onto pot. those who do other drugs also do marijuana, yes, but its not so much due to the gateway effect as it is they already are involved in a lifestyle of doing drugs and adding one more drug to the list that is in many ways less harsh than what you're already involved in isn't much of a leap to make.

that isn't to say that i don't think people who do other drugs generally try marijuana first, but i believe drinking is prior to the pot and that marijuana use continues for the reasons i stated above.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:19 PM. Reason : clarification]

5/8/2008 12:18:03 PM

if everyone has agreed about the potential deaths and injuries and life ruining of something legal like alcohol, why would anyone want to legalize things that are worse than alcohol, like crystal meth or pcp?

5/8/2008 12:20:36 PM

^ I assume the argument is that we should all be able to own our bodies and what we do to/with them. As long as it causes no harm to others, any person should be able to take whatever drugs they want. It shouldn't be the government's choice as to how you live your life, even if it means you throw it all away for PCP or Meth.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 12:24:54 PM

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"As long as it causes no harm to others"

which is impossible to guarantee

we already have plenty of people dying because of drunk drivers...why would we want to legalize drugs that can cause even more collateral damage to non-users?

i understand the libertarian "its my body" philosophy, and i agree with it most times...with weed for example, i dont think weed has directly caused much harm to non smokers...but pcp and meth are TOTALLY different

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2008 12:28:42 PM

selling coke to college kids is bad

selling ritalin to children is good

5/8/2008 12:33:38 PM

I understand that it is impossible to guarantee that it would cause no harm to others, and I would be all in favor of very harsh penalties for harm caused while on drugs/alcohol/etc, as well as even harsher penalties for people who give drugs/alcohol to minors. I also understand that PC, met, etc are completely different drugs than weed, I've known people on both and more. But I still believe that it should never be illegal to put those drugs in your body.

5/8/2008 12:36:02 PM

^
I agree

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"i'm a bigot because i dont think PCP and Crystal Methamphetamines shouldnt be legalized holy shit your mind is some kind of fucked up"

no, silly

you earned that description long ago from other earlier posts

thanks for playing, though

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"yes,I have seen what PCP can do because i have taken it. After some attempts I didn't have any desire to ever do it again. That was a personal choice. I decided its not what I wanted to do, but had I become hooked on it and allowed it to mean more to me than the other things involved in my life, that would have been a personal choice as well and it would be I, not the drug, who is to blame."

well said

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"Marijuana is a gateway drug. Find me one person who uses hard drugs that did not smoke marijuana. That is not to say, however, that marijuana should be illegal."

I've actually met some -- they were of the punk rock variety, (not that that means anything)

(come one nuts, you're smarter than that, aren't you?)

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"I'd suggest that alcohol is the true gateway drug. By leaps and bounds those who have tried marijuana have tried drinking first before they ever moved onto pot"

I think too much emphasis is put on any of these kinds of theories, just look at all the exceptions to the rule

people just are really curious as to why individuals (usually young) decide to start using drugs

and why some get addicted, while others don't

indeed, these are interesting questions, but it just seems obvious to me that the answers have to do with individuality

iow, some individuals choose to try drugs, because some individuals choose to try drugs (get it?)

some individuals are, for whatever reason, irresponsible with their drug use and are harmed by it,

because some individuals are, for whatever reason, irresponsible with things -- in this case, drugs

that's how I see it, at least

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"By leaps and bounds those who have tried marijuana have tried drinking first before they ever moved onto pot"

I didn't. I did alcohol later.

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"why would we want to legalize drugs that can cause even more collateral damage to non-users?"

legalization wouldn't necessarily result in that much of an increase in use

a zogby poll (10/24/07, ±3.1%) found that 99% of likely voters would not try heroin or cocaine if they were legalized

only 0.6 percent said yes

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"selling coke to college kids is bad selling ritalin to children is good"

haha, yeah


on page 1 of google image search for "ritalin" for years now


[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 12:44:13 PM

TreeTwista10 please cite for us the problems you see from meth and pcp, even though our main focus here was coke. its not a solid argument to say we already have one bad thing on the market and therefore allowing more is the wrong thing to do. if the harm that it causes is truly your concern of the matter then you should be a proponent of removing all of the factors which cause similar harm, which in this case would be alcohol. if your opinion is not based on such a consistency then i beg the question, does your stance arrive from anecdotal experience? if so then your position is partially biased and not the most quality example as a source of reason on the issue.

the sell of a gun cannot guarantee the safety of its use, nor the sell of alcohol, nor an automobile, but we shouldn't ban those. these items are left up to the individual to use properly or not, at what line do you allow these to be okay and others not as we have established potential harm with many of these legalized items is equal if not greater.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:50 PM. Reason : 10]

5/8/2008 12:48:02 PM

guns and automobiles dont chemically reprogram your brain like pcp and meth do...you dont get physically addicted to automobiles or guns

i dont get some of you guys...its like you cant see the gray area...its either everything is legalized, or nothing is legalized...i'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you why its a good thing that meth, pcp, heroin, coke, etc are illegal...i shouldnt have to

5/8/2008 12:54:38 PM

I won't ever see why it should be illegal because I don't believe in legislating morality. I completely see the dangers and harm of hard drug use to people and people around those people, which is why I don't use drugs or hang around people that do. But I believe in legislation that holds those people accountable and responsible for what they do, not restrict their freedom to do so.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 12:59 PM. Reason : ]

5/8/2008 12:57:36 PM

how does PCP and meth reprogram your brain more so than any other drug? i'm not being a dick, i honestly don't know the answer to that question. please enlighten.

5/8/2008 12:57:41 PM

different drugs alter your brain in different ways, but my only point with that was that automobiles, guns (other things that kill people) dont physically affect the way your brain thinks and processes information like drugs do

would everyone agree that weed isnt as dangerous as crystal meth or pcp? i know i would...so wouldnt it make sense that if we legalized drugs, that we'd legalize the least dangerous drugs (ie weed) and not the ones with the most potential to ruin your life or kill you (ie heroin, meth, pcp)?

society needs some kind of order so it doesnt turn into anarchy and chaos

5/8/2008 1:00:58 PM

Methamphetamine is legally prescribed to many people who have certain medical conditions under the brand name Desoxyn. Medically although not as common as adderall and ritalin is used to treat ADHD, narcolepsy, and extreme obesity.

The health issues caused by street meth relates to the crude and unregulated practices of those that make street meth in their own secret labs.

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""Marijuana is a gateway drug. Find me one person who uses hard drugs that did not smoke marijuana. "

Find me one blood or crip gang member who did not listen to gangster rap before joining a gang. It is obvious gangster rap music like Tupac and LilWayne encourages people to join gangs. Let's ban rap music!

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"how does PCP and meth reprogram your brain more so than any other drug? "

I hate to do it but i must agree with TreeTwista10. Different drugs to effect the brain differently. Psychedelic drugs like shrooms contrary to DEA propaganda have virtually no risk of addiction. While on the extreme other side of the spectrum is Heroin in which users can get hooked after one trip.

Also, you must take into consideration two different types of addiction. Psychological dependency and physical dependency. While weed has no physical withdrawl effects; habitual users may become psychologically dependent on pot. Whereas the most dangerous heroin can cause severe physical withdrawl symptoms.

[Edited on May 8, 2008 at 1:08 PM. Reason : a]

5/8/2008 1:02:31 PM

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"society needs some kind of order so it doesnt turn into anarchy and chaos"

how does legalizing drugs = no order in society?

5/8/2008 1:06:07 PM

legalizing all drugs (including heroin, coke, meth, pcp, etc) = less order in society

i think some people just get on some freedom trip on some "i can smoke weed and be perfectly fine and not go out and hurt everyone...therefore all people can do all drugs without affecting other people adversely"

5/8/2008 1:07:32 PM

^^thats along the lines of what I figured you would say. where i stand is based on my perception of how drugs, druge abuse, and addiction correlate with one another. I would never actually supposed that guns, automobiles or alcohol be illegal. What you didn't respond to was why if alcohol results in equal if not more harm to others and can cause equal or worse brain alteration and addiction then why it and not others

5/8/2008 1:10:26 PM

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"legalizing all drugs (including heroin, coke, meth, pcp, etc) = less order in society"

Well that is a different argument, because your other post implied that without laws making drugs illegal there would be no order in society and thus chaos.

Either way, I think an argument could be made that repealing current drug laws and putting place other laws which hold people responsible for their actions while on drugs could make for more order in society, and not less.

5/8/2008 1:15:41 PM